Well, after reading this thread at Interakt's forums:
http://www.interaktonline.com/Products/Online-HTML-Editor/KTML-for-PHP /Product-Forum/Details/135146/Sad+to+see+that+KTML4+is+discontinued.ht ml
I have to admit defeat and encourage that we all move on from this situation.
An alternative to KTML can be found at DMXzone.com where their Advanced HTML Editor is available at what was once a reasonable cost. I stopped using it when KTML4 became available as it was clearly the best in class and because of it's fit with MX Kollection was a no-brainer. The down-side for DMXzone is their pathetic support. You must admit, we have been very badly spoiled by Interakt's support which was the thing that made them great. It may be awhile before their CS3 compatible version is available, but at least it works and is very good at what it does. On a positive not the supporting code is nowhere as heavy as Interakt's so it loads much quicker.
The next best option is to adopt FCKeditor, which is not available as a DW Extension, but a little bit of time spent on learning how to set it up will be well rewarded. Somehow, I believe that is the alaternative that I will commit to in the long run.
My main concern is finding a suitable replacement that works well with nextensio. I have been using KTML for a few years now and have used it in many sites for creating easy-to-setup content management systems.
People have mentioned FCK a good deal - does anyone know offhand how it performs with nextensio forms? I imagine it will require a lot of hand coding to get it to work.
I could make a Nextensio list and form + ktml in a matter of Minutes - Now I am going to have to do a lot of additional hand coding to get the same functionality? I think not. I won't be upgrading to cs3 until there is a more viable solution.
I can report that I have recently developed two sites with FCKeditor in ADDT forms. Once the initial learning curve has been mastered, the editor works flawlessly. Sure there are differences and you have to do a bit of reading to get the hang of it - but I recall more pain with KTML in my early days with it. Give it a go. Remember: Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
One of the main advantages of DMZzone’s (Not-So-)Advanced HTML Editor and KTML over TinyMCE and FCKeditor are that the former are Dreamweaver extensions and thus present a user-interface in DW for setting the many parameters that such editors need. TinyMCE and FCKeditor are stand-alone and you have to edit their parameters manually in Code View.
Gian61 has created an Extension that’s basically a wrapper for FCKeditor that allows it to be used in DW as easily as KTML or Advanced? (HA!) HTML Editor! It costs $75 (a bargain compared to “Advanced” HTML Editor, though considering that it’s more or less a wrapper to a free product that does most of the hard work, it may be overpriced), and unfortunately supports ASP Classic VB only (no JSP, PHP, ColdFusion, nor .NET [not that DW supports that decently anyway even as of CS3], nor even ASP Classic JS). But still, it may be an option well worth considering for many of you.
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Your message could be my lifeline! I've just started work on a site using CS3 and ADDT as the features asked for are all catered for in these. But I now need to have one field which is an HTML editor. The back-end is all Nextensio lists and forms as this is so powerful and quick. Now, when using DW8, I would just click the KTML4 item and viola. But, of course, CS3 doesn't have that.
I've downloaded FCKeditor and this looks like it will easily do what I need, but I can't get it to function in a Nextensio form. As you've successfully done this, can you give any hints on how?
Will have to . Your request is timely as I need to go over the process again to change a plain text area field to one which is an FCKeditor variant. Will have to re-read the help file and will document the steps taken. Give me a day or two.
OK - have had a brief look at what I did. Can you explain what you have done and what the problem is? Also, have you been able to create a very simple form using the out-of-the-box basic config as described in the Developer's Guide for PHP integration ?
what i missed from KTML is feature that let we define specific folder. In term of multiuser.. this is great time-saver.. i don't know how to achieve that in TinyMCE or FCK Editor... is there any solution ? (i still use DW8...) for create my CMS
The only thing to avoid is to "Update includes folder" from within DW8's "Interakt control panel". Dreamweaver 8 indicates the version number (1.0.0) of the ADDT extensions as outdated and would update to the latest version of the "old" Interakt products, which is 3.7.1.
If you are using "MX CSS Menus", you'll be fine, too. CS3 even renders the menu nicely in wysiwyg-mode. You can also work on the css-files and see the result immediately.
The only thing that's not possible, ist to work with the server behaviours, as these are not recognized by CS3 - but for this purpose you just switch to DW8.
i understand it, i just want to know if i update the includes folder to CS3.. am i still able to change it via DW8.. i don't want to mess up my project... people who use KTML and CSS Menu able to acomplish that right ? but how about Kart, Calendar.. does it work the same way ?
Updating the MX includes directory would not be a good idea and an invitation to disaster. If you have sites that use Kart, Calendar, CSS Menu etc then you should continue to maintain them with DW8.
You would not be alone in this situation as I have many such sites and I bet many DW8/Kollection developers are the same.
Hope that helps.
I've not tried with MX Calendar or MX Kart, but I can successfully use KTML and MX CSS Menus -> Manage these behaviors in DW8 and use the new features of CS3 with the same includes folder of my site.
To find out, if that works with your situation, you can only try and find out:
1. Make a backup of your site!
2. Define your site in CS3 with the same parameters that you set in DW8.
3. Update your includes folder in CS3 (NOT IN DW8)
4. See, if your pages still work.
5. Now you can manage your "old" Interakt behaviors with DW8.
6. You should also be able to use CS3's new features and server behaviors.
Of course "John R Ashton" is right. Old Interakt extensions can't be installed or used with CS3. They are not supported. But as far as I can tell until now, at least pages using MX CSS Menus and KTML don't break in CS3.
Also, there is no guarantee that this will work, whenever ADDT will be updated to a newer version. Your server model etc. might be different from mine...
So, give it a try by yourself. Copying a site to a testfolder is only a 5-minute-job. So there is not much risk (however be sure to backup your data).
hello, i would like to know the solution regarding the image path that created by KTML.
in my database, the link for inserted images is absolute path, so everytime i upload the database from my local server to production server, i have to update the link manually from http://localhost/project.. to http://www.domain.com/
any solution regarding the image path to use relative path?
i have a problem with KTML4, which is after creating an article with KTML4, sometime later i need to update this article, after updating it sometimes the content get's duplicated as the following.
1st section of the article has the new updated TEXT (article content), and the 2nd sections contains the TEXT before i updated it, it's kinda that KTML saves 2 copies of the KTML contnet, the problem doesn't happen everytime, if anyone found a solution for this, then please HELP ME !
I do not think that HTML editor from DMXzone.com can be compared with KTML. With all respect but DMXzone has disproportionate prices on their tools which do not correspond to the quality of their products, support or basic integration between them.
The best HTML editor I've ever worked with is KTML from InterAKT. Now I've just purchased the HTML editor extension from WebAssist.com (iRite), it seems to be very good.
I hope that sometime Adobe hear us and allow this gurus from InterAKT to continue developing their wonderful extensions. Let them to touch the AJAX tools and we'll see the best AJAX toolkit ever made for DW.
I think we have to accept that KTML is very dead now and is beyond resurrection.
I have found FCKeditor to be a very acceptable alternative now that I have worked out how to set it up in ADDT Dynamic Forms. I have used in in quite a lot of sites built this year and my clients have no complains. I read somewhere that iRite was NOT compatible with ADDT's Dynamic Forms which if true is no surprise. It was no doubt built to interface with the WebAssist data management tools. Has anyone made it work with ADDT Dynamic Forms ?
iRite will work with ADDT forms. But not with dynamic (multiple edit) forms. The counter added to the dynamic form field name needs to be removed so iRite can seet he same form field name and set up its preference file using this 'fixed' name.
The setup for the file browser is a REAL PITA. Webassist did'nt set up any kind of config for this, so you basically have to download a pdf (from WA site) and hand code the paths from the instructions therein.
WA say they will make iRite compatible in its next release (this was mentioned a couple of months ago). Don't know how long that will be, from what I've heard, the base code of FCK has been changed as well, so I'd imagine they have a far bit to update.
Hope they see sense and setup the config paths for the file browser in the wizard/prefs as well. It makes for a very amateur looking package - rather like they saw an opportunity to make money from the widespread use of FCK and did just enough to make a DW extension - and nothing more.
Many thanks for the feedback on iRite. Setting up the FCKeditor file browser is tricky unless you are an accomplished PHP developer, but once mastered it is easy to set up and manage. The ideal would be to have FCKeditor as an extenstion for ADDT. Oh well, we can but dream...