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40. Bob Levine,

Oct 22, 2003 9:58 AM in reply to (Marilyn_Langfeld)

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I saw a demo last night in the NYC IDUG meeting. I didn't really see any
need for it until I saw the demo. It's really hard to describe what it
brings to the table but the demo certainly swung the pendulum in favor
of upgrading to the suite as opposed to upgrading the individual apps.

Bob

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41. (Guy_Smiley),

Oct 22, 2003 11:33 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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One issue that has been brought up regarding the Suite upgrade path is that once you upgrade to the Suite, upon the next round of new versions you will be ineligible to upgrade components of the Suite individually. This is not a factor for me, but it may be relevant to some people.

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42. Neil_Keller,

Oct 22, 2003 11:56 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Guy,

However, if you have prior versions of the individual apps, I would imagine that you could just do a "skipped generation" upgrade, using the registered serial numbers of those older apps.

Neil

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43. (Guy_Smiley),

Oct 22, 2003 12:09 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I guess. I haven't given any of this much thought, since as an educational licensee, it is about half the price to buy a new Creative Suite Premium license than it is to upgrade from Photoshop (because there is no educational pricing on upgrades). This seems to be the general rule for educational licenses on individual Adobe apps as well--it is almost always cheaper to just buy a new educational license than it is to upgrade.

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44. Don McCahill,

Oct 22, 2003 12:29 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Guy

My guess on that is that they are aiming the ed program at students (administrators/instructors .. I'm one ... just happen to get the free ride). And students in a three year program, or less, are not likely to need to upgrade during that time. Their software may not be current release, but will seldom get less than one revision old in that time.

My point is, I guess, we can't complain about not getting a deal on the upgrade cost when you consider how well we make out on not having to buy the original software at full price in the first place.

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45. (Geert_De_Keyser),

Oct 22, 2003 12:41 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I'm guessing that the fonts that are included with the Creative Suite are not the optical versions of those that have optical versions (Minion, Jenson, etc)?

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46. (Guy_Smiley),

Oct 22, 2003 1:56 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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"My point is, I guess, we can't complain about not getting a deal on the upgrade cost when you consider how well we make out on not having to buy the original software at full price in the first place."

I was not in *any* way complaining. Adobe treats the educational market wonderfully. A prime example of this is Type Classics for Learning. Thousands of dollars worth of fonts for less than 100 bucks!

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47. (Guy_Smiley),

Oct 22, 2003 1:58 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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If you look at the list Thomas posted you'll see that some opticals are included (Warnock and Brioso), but some aren't.

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48. Bart Cross,

Oct 22, 2003 7:38 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I'll survive, I think Brioso sucks as a font and wouldn't use it anyways (looks like a Zapf Chancery ripoff).

As far as the Suites go, I'm glad to stay as far away from StopDead as possible as an app, Macromedia got you beat there no matter which way you look at it!

At least with the individual upgrade path, I have choices.

As far as Version Cue, sounds good, but these 'inter-apps' can be real killers in a work-flow, I'll wait and see how the tribe reacts.

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49. (Guy_Smiley),

Oct 23, 2003 8:05 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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"I think Brioso...(looks like a Zapf Chancery ripoff)."

Have you actually looked at the two faces side by side? They are not even remotely similar.

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50. Thomas Phinney,

Oct 23, 2003 8:13 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Re: Brioso

I know I should just ignore such an uninformed comment, but I can't help but point out that Hermann Zapf disagrees with you on both counts. Brioso was also one of the winners of the 2002 Type Directors Club awards.

Personally, I consider Brioso Pro to be one of Robert Slimbach's finest works. It's a calligraphic text face, based on broad-edged pen lettering. This is a category that doesn't have many representatives, but other than being in that category it has very little in common with ITC Zapf Chancery.

You can see it for yourself here:
http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/P/P_1504.jhtml

The PDF specimen book is here:
http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/pdfs/BriosoPro.pdf

T

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51. Bob Levine,

Oct 23, 2003 10:07 AM in reply to Bart Cross

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ID,

I felt the same way about Version Cue until I saw a demo the other
night. It pretty much sealed the deal for the suite instead of
individual upgrades.

Bob

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52. (Geert_De_Keyser),

Oct 23, 2003 10:13 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I must second Robert on that one, I saw a demo of Version Cue last week on a trade fair down here in Belgium and I must say that it reaaaaaally looked impressive. Although it will benefit mostly to larger design firms or newspaper-like operations where they have a number of different people working on the same product at the same timespan, there were a number of interesting features for freelance work-alone designers.

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53. Don McCahill,

Oct 23, 2003 2:54 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Re: a Zapf Chancery Ripoff

Well, to some people Times Roman and Palatino look the same too.

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54. Neil_Keller,

Oct 23, 2003 3:28 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Don,

Wait a min....they DON'T???

Neil
[...on behalf of those who believe that "vanilla or chocolate?" is one too many choices.]

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55. Bart Cross,

Oct 23, 2003 7:44 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Check the swash caps (a classier version of Zapf), as far as the rest of the font, it reminds me of the book I used to study pen letterform (can't remember the name of it off the top of my head).

It probably got (one of) the award(s) because Slimbach designed it, not because it is worthwhile. Still think it is a rip-off.

Don: Very funny, I can tell difference between the two at 6pt from 6ft away. They're not even close.

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56. Thomas Phinney,

Oct 23, 2003 7:53 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I'll just point out that the TDC submissions are anonymous. Beyond this, I don't think I'll continue that particular line of discussion.

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57. John_Nolan-ylAnVM,

Oct 24, 2003 3:35 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I.D. Awe:
Talk to the hand.

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58. Bart Cross,

Oct 24, 2003 5:32 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I would have hoped that Slimbach, at some time, had actually used a quill, then the flaws wouldn't be so apparent. JMHRO.

Maybe he should just have called it "Speedball".

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59. (Geert_De_Keyser),

Oct 24, 2003 5:40 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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ID.Awe, are you really that ignorant or is it some weird level of nerd humour you're aspiring too? I couldn't figure your dumb *** out but then I went to your home page, looked at your picture and all the pieces of the puzzle fell into place. Am I that quick to judge? Just as quick as you are when type is concerned. In danger of repeating Thomas and John: "talk to the hand".

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60. Thomas Phinney,

Oct 24, 2003 8:21 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I must be a masochist, but at the risk of just causing myself more pain, I will say that Robert Slimbach is an extremely skilled calligrapher, whose work is framed and hanging in the corridors of Adobe. He could do calligraphy professionally, if he wanted to. (He could also be a professional fine art photographer--his work is *amazing*, but that's another story.)

Right. Having debunked yet another nonsense statement, I will go do some more work.

T

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61. Neil_Keller,

Oct 24, 2003 5:48 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Mr Slimbach has long since earned his respect. Mr Awe still has a way to go.

Let's move on...

Neil

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62. Typegrrrl,

Oct 30, 2003 9:28 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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So. Does anyone (Thomas? Neil?) Have any information about how to get the giftie after we've registered? I wasn't given the option. (Yes, I'm pouting -- But I'm still excited.)

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63. Typegrrrl,

Oct 30, 2003 9:55 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I have to say that Adobe's Customer Support is wonderful. For those of you trying to find the Onlne Registration Incentive, as I was until now ... Go to "Your Account" and then go to "View Product Registrations" page ... then scroll to the bottom and you will see:

"Please click here for instructions on obtaining your thank-you gift. Offer valid only in the US and Canada and until the next major release of the Adobe Creative Suite."

click, et voila!

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64. Neil_Keller,

Oct 30, 2003 10:52 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Couldn't have said it better myself! Thanks.

Neil

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65. Thomas Phinney,

Oct 31, 2003 10:06 PM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Aha! Congratulations on getting your free bonus Brioso Pro Opticals package.

Now off to bed. I'm at the InDesign Users Conference in Florida, and very sleepy....

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66. LRK 2,

Nov 3, 2003 8:47 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Pardon my ignorance here. Where might I see the extra fonts that come with CS? I looked in every folder including the Goodies folder. The extra fonts incentive is the main reason I went for the CS.

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67. Arnis Gubins,

Nov 3, 2003 9:32 AM in reply to LRK 2

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See the Install Readme file ("How To Install.htm") in the "Goodies" section. On XP platforms, look in \Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Fonts On Mac's, they're in <root>Library/Application Support/Adobe/Fonts

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68. Steve Werner,

Nov 3, 2003 9:38 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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You can download the Brioso Pro Opticals after you register your copy of CS online. If you sent in a registration by mail, you also need to register online to get them.

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69. Neil_Keller,

Nov 3, 2003 9:39 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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For your free bonus Brioso Pro Opticals package (or other bonus), register your software, and then scroll to the very bottom of your registered software listing and read the choices carefully.

Bonus material is not as obviously presented as it could be.

Neil

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70. LRK 2,

Nov 3, 2003 9:55 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I think I made a mistake. I chose the magazine instead. I guess I thought that font was a small bonus and opted for the magazine. I wonder if I can change my order.

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71. LRK 2,

Nov 3, 2003 10:14 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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So I missed out on the bonus fonts because they were presented as a registration perk? I can't win.

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72. LRK 2,

Nov 3, 2003 10:34 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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At Photoshop World I asked about the fonts over and over. I was told that by purchasing the CS we would get a nice collection of additional fonts that others who purchased each upgrade separately would not get.

So just to clarify, the only bonus font package (CS only) was the one offered during registration?

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73. LRK 2,

Nov 3, 2003 11:02 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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I can't believe I gave up a $349.00 font package for a magazine. I'll be sure to alert others in case they overlook this as well.

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74. Steve Werner,

Nov 3, 2003 11:04 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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You know, I discovered a little secret. You may be able to register again. I downloaded the fonts. Then I started watching the video, and one of the perks was to see some bonus material for the video. I found I could register twice!

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75. (Victor_Caston),

Nov 3, 2003 11:04 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Hi, LRK --

Have you spoken to Customer Service yet? What did they say?

Victor

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76. LRK 2,

Nov 3, 2003 11:16 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Hi Victor,

I did speak with Customer Service and they said there was nothing they could do about it. However, I tried Steve's suggestion and it worked.

Thank you so much for sharing that bit of information Steve. I feel so much better. Hopefully it's okay to do that.

Linda

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77. Steve Werner,

Nov 3, 2003 11:51 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Well, you're a registered user. And it certainly doesn't cost Adobe anything. The fonts and the extras on the CD should be available to all registered users.

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78. LRK 2,

Nov 3, 2003 11:52 AM in reply to Thomas Phinney

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Thank you Steve!!! You're my hero today!!!

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79. Bob Levine,

Nov 3, 2003 2:54 PM in reply to LRK 2

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I just hit the back button and got all of them. The fonts, the magazine,
etc.

Bob

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