>it seems to be a long way around and i'd still be concerned that I'd be taking rubbish and potentially messed up files with me.
Also, these days, some installers select the files to install based on both the CPU (PPC vs. Mac-Intel) and the OS (Tiger vs, Leopard). If you stubbornly migrate applications or the OS, you may be missing vital files, as well as schlepping along the garbage and potentially messed up files that Brett mentions.
Because after years of using it (on multiple machines and under several OS-versions), we haven't still seen any disasters happening and applications chugging along just fine, just as updaters and installers do. That's why some folks (like me) don't grasp the danger of it. I see no proof to the contrary, just talking and paranoia. ( ;)).
Buko , from what I see I cannot start my new 8 Core from Tiger ?
( It has latest firmware installed )
OTOH I can clone my Tiger Drive on G5 ,
install Leopard on it , and then migrate
into leopard 8 core .
I must admit my earlier experience / 2 other boxes / with migrating is like Ninnis - very good.... / compared to the pain of total reinstall / .
>Buko, it seems to be a long way around and i'd still be concerned that I'd be taking rubbish and potentially messed up files with me.
When you migrate most of the reason is to keep important things like email and settings. I would not worry these things are going to corrupt your new install. I have not had problems using the migration assistant.
Jann When I was talkin' Tiger I was referring to your G5.
While you may get working systems using the Migration Assistant -- GIGO (garbage in/garbage out) still applies. Any application corruption, unneeded/leftover files get carried over.
In other words, you are moving a house of furniture and belongings along with the dust bunnies, garbage, and mice. And some of the furnishings may no longer fit perfectly and require custom installation.
>I see no proof to the contrary, just talking and paranoia.
Really? You should go to the Apple forums. It is full of people attempting to migrate from a PPC to an Intel or whatever. You should always install your apps fresh if you want a smooth running system. How hard is it to move your mail over??
When I purchased my Quad I migrated from the G4 to save time. I can't help but think this is one reason I have so many strange problems that others don't have. One of which is my Apple Address Book that constantly gets corrupted and loses it's data base.
If this is the reason I have so many problems, the time I saved migrating was not worth it.
I know it's time consuming, and in some situations just not practical, but I am inclined to think it's best to start with a nice clean drive and fresh installs if at all possible.
>I am inclined to think it's best to start with a nice clean drive and fresh installs if at all possible.
I did that for the System and all major Applications.
But I then copied over my personal data, various small utilities and minor applications to my new G5 from my old G4 computer: and have had a painless computer experience over the last four and a half years.
>after years of using it (on multiple machines and under several OS-versions), we haven't still seen any disasters happening and applications chugging along just fine, just as updaters and installers do
You sound like a person falling from a 100-story building. As she passes each and every floor, she says
"So far, so good!" :)
Jann I wouldn't clone the OS over and then update. That is NOT recommended at all. The system follows specific rules where you do not install something that is less than the OS which comes with the machine. That WILL get you into problems. I never advocated migrating the system and its systemfiles over either. That IS a recipe for disaster.
Migrating the user-area and the applications is a whole other matter, which in my experience is troublefree, provided your fonts are healthy, your apps are healthy and that you have not installed any haxies or other so called system-enhancers and/or apps. If you know you have a well-behaving machine and well-behaving apps (which are compatible with the receiving machines system of course), there is no problem to migrate the user and the apps. Those apps that have specific files instaleld in the system-area will still need to be re-installed, but most apps can handle it and does it well. Adobe apps I would also de-activate before migrating them.
If you don't have that, of course garbage in is garbage out as well. A dysfunctional or damaged user-account will be dysfunctional and damaged also when migrated.
To the rest of you - you are creating an urban legend about the Migration Assistant.
I have over 20 years of Mac-experience in the baggage plus working with users machines in the hundreds. I did not start doing this just yesterday and just on my own machine.
Your description above of how you update has a considerable list of caveats that are invitations to possible trouble for many people.
It's pretty simple, really: all things being equal, you are less likely to have problems and more likely to successfully install a clean system if you use a new computer setup as an opportunity to clean house, as has been described.
My advice on cloning and updating has been misconstrued.
The cloning and updating of the G5 system was to make a system compatible with Leopard for a migration of data. the reason I said clone was because I feel the G5 will run best in Tiger. I come to this conclusion because I have been playing with Leopard on my G5 and I keep going back to Tiger. (at this point if you don't have to install Leopard don't). So you update the clone so you can stay with Tiger on the G5.
That's all, I'm not advocating cloning a G5 system over to the Mac Pro.
I was not thinking about cloning system files from G5 to 8 core,
but thought about moving to Leopard on G5 just for the sake of migration .
/ I think G5 maybe goes better on Tiger, so I wanted to do that on a clone .
That'll do you absolutely no good. A fresh installation of the OS will change neither the cpu of the machine nor how applications were originally installed and run on your machine under a different OS.
I'd like my Mighty Mouse a lot more if its little track ball didn't continually get stopped up. I've also had to turn off the squeezy buttons on the side, because that's where I pick it up when I have to move the mouse.
I still like my Mighty Mouse, and use it for everything and I have the control I need for my work. No Wacom in about ten years. And I don't really miss it. But that's me and what I need to do on my computer.
Looks like My MX518 works OK in Leopard .
I love the new alu keyboard ...
It is addictive .
It is funny - I actually never think a new machine is faster then one before ,
the difference is only obvious when I'm coming back ....
I dont like start up vroom noise of the fans ,
I'm always booting up computer really early and my family
don't want any disturbing noises 5 o'clock in the morning .
After a short while it is getting quiet .
Ok , Today I 'm not so happy with my box , I got Nvidia fullscreen freeze
three times today . Lost several hours on that .
for now I found I'm not the only one beeing blessed with this...
( it feels good that I didn't make any reinstallations ... )
It looks like the problem is known since months back .
I just upgraded to a Mac Pro from an old Quicksilver 2002. The Quicksilver is still worthy for web development and such... but for Photoshop and Lightroom it's very long in the tooth.
Anyway there was talk on this thread about using the Migration Tool for Tiger to Leopard. I did some research on this and the suggestion is to not use the migration tool, especially from PPC to Intel, and do manually. It's a little more work but I found I could pick and choose what to take and what to leave behind. And there were tons of stuff to leave behind after 6+ years! Using the Migration Tool from Intel Tiger to Intel Leopard is probably less of an issue... it's the PPC to Intel Migration that's the problem
No problem porting over your files. As the caveat from your Apple link says:
"If you are migrating a PowerPC system (G3, G4, or G5) to an Intel-Mac be careful what you migrate. Keep in mind that some items that may get transferred will not work on Intel machines and may end up causing your computer's operating system to malfunction."
and it provides some examples. I use the upgrade as an opportunity to clean house, and do squeaky-clean installations of OS- and CPU-compliant software.