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Oct 21, 2008 12:44 PM

  Latest reply: Ramón G Castañeda, Nov 17, 2008 5:51 PM
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    Nov 3, 2008 1:26 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    gebers, my graphic processor runs at about 62C, that's 143F: G5 quad with a GeForce 6600.
     
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    Nov 3, 2008 3:24 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    OK I just took the side off the G5.

    The 7800 fan is running just fine without being connected. I also just googled temps and gamers are running at 62+c / 143.6+f I'm running about 122f at idle.
     
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    Nov 4, 2008 3:42 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    The problem with PCI cooling fans is that they take too much space. You have to sacrifice from at least two to three PCI slots.
     
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    Nov 5, 2008 12:15 AM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    I just keep my G5 with the 7800 GT (and its fan!) under my desk where the extra fan-noise is somewhat muted.
     
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    Nov 5, 2008 5:55 AM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    the Arctic Silencer looks pretty slim and it keeps the card about 10 to 15 degrees cooler, but my fan is not very noisy so I probably won't get one.
     
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    Nov 5, 2008 6:38 AM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    I tried that one, but it did take up the space of two PCI slots. :(
     
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    Nov 5, 2008 8:14 AM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    I have an old G5 with a Radeon 9650, and thought I would have to buy a new video card since Enable OpenGL Drawing was grayed out.

    However, I ran across this optional AllowOldGPUS.plugin:

    http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=4051&fileID= 3770

    Once installed in the Plug-Ins folder, all the GPU-accelerated functions became available.

    It's definitely worth a shot to try the plug-in to see if your current video card works.
     
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    Nov 5, 2008 9:04 AM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Be aware G5b, you should read the disclaimers for the AllowOldGPUS plug in. It can itself be the cause of system instability.
     
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    Nov 5, 2008 9:38 AM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Thanks Scott, I didn't realize that. However, I'm happy to report that it's been running almost a whole week without incident.
     
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    Nov 5, 2008 10:51 AM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    I think that the plugin works better with PPC machines.
     
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    Nov 6, 2008 7:58 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Ok...here's my CS4 + video card on a 1st generation Mac Pro running Leopard 10.5.5 story.
    I had two 7300GT cards installed and I could turn on "Enable OpenGl Drawing", but only "Vertical Sync" could be enabled under Advanced Settings.
    I then installed an 8800GT card in the first slot and left the 2nd slot with the 7300GT card for a total of two cards and 4 monitors.
    When I restarted Photoshop with the new 8800 card installed, GPU Settings no longer detected Video Card and Enable OpenGl Drawing was dimmed out.
    So then I installed AllowOldGPUS.plugin, and everything worked including ALL the features in Advanced Settings.
    What's up with this....? It's my understanding that the plugin is for older cards not newer ones, and that the 8800 should work without having to use the plugin.
    So strange, considering it worked with my 7300 cards, which are lesser cards.
    Also....anyone have any idea of what all those setting are for in "Advanced Settings"...what they do and if you need to turn them on or not?
     
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    Nov 6, 2008 8:12 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Let us know how stable CS4 proves to be with the two dissimilar cards being used in conjunction with the AllowOldGPUS.plugin.
     
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    Nov 6, 2008 10:10 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Don,

    Exact same experience... read below.

    http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b6e56d/43

    I resolved to upgrading to 2-8800s rather than deal with the problems. It seems the Apple OS doesn't not like two different video cards. Things work better when they are identical. I'm still waiting from my second 8800 to arrive. But I'm anticipating much better behavior with 2 identical cards again.
     
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    Nov 6, 2008 11:56 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    So far I haven't had any problems with it set up that way I have it at the moment.
    I really don't want to spend another $300. for another 8800 card just to get this to work.
    Especially when you wouldn't be able to get the full speed out of the 2nd slot anyways...quite throttled down...so why put a $300. card in there.
    I'll let you know if I start to have any issues with this set up....otherwise you can assume it's working for me.
    Anyone have any info on all those Advanced Settings and what they do and if we need them to do it?
     
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    Nov 7, 2008 10:35 AM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    While I whole heartedly agree that an additional $300 for a card that won't be running at top speed is really something I'd rather not do, it would seem the only solutions to the issues are:

    a) Live without GL features and keep the 8800 and 7300 installed

    b) use the AllowOldGPUS plug in with the 8800/7300 and deal with system instability

    c) Go back to the 7300/7300 configuration and live without the Advanced drawing and deal with the other known issues.

    d) Move to a single 8800 card and 2 monitors to get all GL features.

    e) Install a second 8800 so video cards match.

    f) Wait for Apple to fix their video driver issues with non-matching video cards.

    g) Continue to use Photoshop CS3 with whatever hardware configuration you wish

    I have good days and bad days here. At times I can't keep PS4 active for more than 15 minutes between crashes. Usually it's while working on a larger file with many layers and smart objects. Creation of a new layer crashes the application, as discussed in my earlier link. Other days, mostly when doing quick 1-3 layer edits to a file, I have no problems.
     
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    Nov 8, 2008 10:36 AM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Day two here, and just wanted to report that everything is fine and stable here running a 7300GT and 8800GT card together with AllowOldGPUS.plugin installed in CS4.
    Mac Pro (1st generation)
    2x3 GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon
    9 GB memory
    Two internal scratch disks assigned to CS4 (not start up drive)
    Enable OpenGL Drawing activated
    8800GT in first video slot running 30" Eizo @ 2560x1600 and a 21.3" Quato IntelliProof 213 @1200x1600
    7300GT in 2nd video slot running two Samsung 204B @ 1200x1600 each.
    Keeping my fingers crossed....everything seems fine contrary to what other people are reporting. I'm not sure why my set up is working, but I'm thankful!
     
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    Nov 10, 2008 4:23 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Don - why did you need to add the AllowOldGPUs plugin?
     
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    Nov 10, 2008 4:29 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Because he had two different cards and he thought that would solve the problem of two cards and more then two displays which it at least seems to be the answer.

    Other people tried the same two cards on the original Mac Pros and it did not work the difference being he has the plug in installed.
     
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    Nov 10, 2008 6:35 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Chris,

    I have the same issue as Don. The plug in is the only way for Photoshop to see the 8800 card if you have two, non-identical, cards installed (8800 and 7300).
     
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    Nov 10, 2008 6:48 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Scott- Have you received the second 8800 yet?
     
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    Nov 10, 2008 8:24 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Not yet, Steve. Apparently Apple has had some delays. Probably due to a rush to replace the 7300s. I'm still waiting on the second card. I'll be certain to post my experiences once I do receive it and it's installed.
     
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    Nov 10, 2008 11:13 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Chris....I had to use the plugin in order for it to work. Otherwise all the GPU Settings were dimmed out and not available. As soon as I installed the plugin, it all worked.
    I would prefer not to have to use the plugin, but what can I do...it seems the only way at the moment.
     
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    Nov 13, 2008 1:59 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Apple delays seem to be over. New, second, 8800GT arrives tomorrow.
     
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    Nov 14, 2008 1:40 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Confirmation:

    System --
    Quad Xeon 2.66 Mac Pro, 16GB RAM, 2TB HDDs
    Photoshop CS4, all panels open and displayed on secondary monitor.

    2 video cards - Slot 1 drives a 30" and a 20" Apple Cinema, slot 2 drives an off brand 20" widescreen
    Adobe Apps only utilize monitors connected to card in Slot 1. No panels, tools, windows are ever moved to third monitor.

    Video configurations and details:

    2 x nVidia 7300GT
    Open GL active by default but Advanced Drawing disabled (As expected).
    Large brushes caused crashes, as noted in Adobe Tech Documents.

    1 x nVidia 8800GT + 1 x nVidia 7300GT
    Open GL disabled by default.
    Installed AllowOldGPUs plug in
    All GL features become available, including Advanced Drawing.
    Consistent crashing when working with files containing many layers.
    Drawing shape layers resulted in a crash 1 out of every 5 attempts with some of my files.
    Seems the more layers the more unstable PSCS4 becomes when creating new layers.
    Noticeable .5 to 3 second delay when creating layers or committing Layer styles dialog due to layer panel update sluggishness.

    2 x nVidia 8800GT
    Removed AllowOldGPUS plug in.
    Open GL active by default with all features, including Advanced Drawing
    Layer creation is instantaneous even on many layered files.
    I've attempted to crash PSCS4 several time in the same manner which previously resulted in a crash, but have yet to crash the app.
    Overall window performance is better. This is somewhat expected but the amount of improvement was a bit surprising since the second video card is not running at top speed and is primarily used to drive a third monitor not used when working in Photoshop. I'm chalking up the performance improvement to better direction from the Apple drivers no longer being confused by the non-matching video cards.
     
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    Nov 14, 2008 1:50 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Scott,

    Thanks for running the tests and posting your results.

    Neil
     
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    Nov 17, 2008 12:26 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Here's an update with my situation:

    I finally had to remove the 8800 card and reinstall the 7600. It was not causing me problems in CS4, but was causing computer issues with waking up from sleep and major start up issues.
    So I'm now back to two 7600 cards and will just have to wait for Apple to deal with the problem of having two different cards installed at the same time.
    CS4 does work with the two 7600 cards...it's just a little sluggish for all the cool effects...zooming, tossing etc.
     
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    Nov 17, 2008 12:53 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Did you try setting the computer to "Sleep=Never"?

    Let the monitor sleep but not the computer.
     
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    Nov 17, 2008 12:58 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Don, the two 7300 cards probably isn't the issue with sleep. I ran 2-7300GT cards for over a year without issues. I had sleep issues that were due to a corrupt OS at one point. But reinstalling the OS (ugh, from scratch) fixed all those issues.
     
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    Nov 17, 2008 1:17 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Scott....perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I have no issues with the two 7600 installed, that's why I went back to that configuration. I had problems with the 8800 AND 7600 installed at the same time.

    Ann....The sleep issue is the least of my problems with those two different cards...I had major startup issues also....like the dock and menu bar appearing on a different monitor and files moved from one monitor to the other, freezes etc.

    All is back to normal now that I'm running the two 7600 cards.
     
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    Nov 17, 2008 2:23 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Ahdissimilar cards. It seems that OSX does NOT like that.
    Installing a second 8800 would seem to be your answer when you are able to do it.
     
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    Nov 17, 2008 3:02 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Sorry Don, I did misunderstand.
     
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    Nov 17, 2008 4:49 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Ann....
    I really don't like the idea of spending another $300. for another 8800 card. Especially when the other video slots are so throttled down, its a waste of what the card is capable of.
    That would be $600. for cards and another $200. for the CS4 upgrade, bringing the total to $800.00!!
    I think I'll just wait until Apple gets this figured out, and hope they do and soon.
    One should be able to upgrade a video card without being forced to buy two of them in order to get them to work without conflict. Somethings not right with that.
     
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    Nov 17, 2008 5:38 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    I absolutely agree, Don.

    On the other hand.. even the second throttled down card on my system gave a noticeable improvement in video performance.
     
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    Nov 17, 2008 5:51 PM   in reply to (Don_Hall)
    Mismatched RAM will also give you grief.
     
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