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Mathias Vejerslev
- 2:34pm Apr 19, 06 PST
I should note that my settings for S / H are a bit more extreme than usual for this particular image. That's because its so dull to start with. With highlights closer to the right of the histogram, much less Amount for highlights suffice.
glen deman
- 6:49pm Apr 19, 06 PST
Thanks Mathias, I'll also give this a whirl, I'm not familiar with S/H at all at this point.
Lawrence Hudetz
- 12:37pm Apr 20, 06 PST
You must be reading my mind, Mathias, as I was just wondering if you might come up with some information on your take with S/H.
My problem is the reverse: Too much contrast, and I work with scanned images, so I am not using raw. So, I have set up default S/H thusly:

As you can see, it's for a greyscale, but for RGB I would be using the same settings, leaving contrast and color set to Adobe defaults. This is my starting point, and for many of my images, all that is necessary. Once in a while, I throttle back with the Fade, but very seldom. If it isn't working, I tweak the controls, usually starting with the radius.
I haven't tried your selection mask yet. looks like a splendid suggestion, (as usual!).
On certain images with backlit clouds, I frequently set the highlight radius well above 100.
The most disturbing effects I have noted is the contrast enhancement around abrupt changes in picture elements, like a mountain against a cloud. The edge of the mountain goes dark and the corresponding edge of the cloud goes light. In analog work, this is known as the Eberhard effect, and is the principle problem with Tech Pan. Trying S/H on those negs is trying indeed!
Mathias Vejerslev
- 2:59pm Apr 20, 06 PST
Hi Larry,
Try the luminosity mask. I think it will help the halos you see around contrasty subjects.
For scanning, you can still use the two develops method; Scan two versions into 16 bit with different exposure and merge them in Photoshop. Layer one version over the other, and use the luminosity mask from one layer as the layer mask on the other. The combination will be a bit flat, and will need some contrast. This is one situation where you can use S / H to add contrast.
There's nothing wrong with using S / H to decrease contrast, I think this is its primary intended use. But you have to live with the halos induced by a radius based contrast modifier. You dont have to live with halos using the combine method.
Using S / H with a luminosity mask is my own humble 'invention', but I see that it works well regarding controlling the halo effect. - to a limit. It also helps against accidentally lifing the shadows to much, exposing your use of S / H. Other masks could be used, I'd be very interested in other options or ideas people here might have.
Lawrence Hudetz
- 11:09pm Apr 20, 06 PST
Hi again Mathias,
You have a real insight here. I gave it a try and the Luminosity mask is a jewel. But using it as you describe is only the beginning.
First off, I decided to look at which to use, straight or inverted. That extends the application several fold, as now we have two ways to apply tools. And by tools, I mean far more than S/H.
The next place I tried it was the procedure you call contrast coating (I call it brightup.) here is another place to get into trouble, and the Luminosity mask again proved it's worth. But wait! There's more! Sharpening! Use the mask when sharpening an image and with the right polarity selected, one can really sharpen a fuzzy image. I was able to apply sharpening on the order of an Amount of 300 and a Radius of 3. That decisively sharpened an image which could not be well sharpened without a huge halo problem.
What is actually affected? To decide this, I used Curves to watch what areas were responding. Inverting showed a completely different outcome for the same adjustment.
Most fun I've had since....:)?
Mathias Vejerslev
- 6:44am Apr 21, 06 PST
"What is actually affected?"
You can create an alpha channel from the mask by hitting the Create Channel from selection icon in the channel palette. You can then not only see what areas are affected, but you can manipulate your alpha channel with curves to get just the selection you want. I like the straight highlight / midtone L mask, though.
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