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Photoshop thumbnails and CS4

Oct 12, 2008 5:53 PM

I have been installing PS7 to get PSD thumbnails to show their image (rather than a generic icon) in Windows. I understand this facility was dropped in CS. Does anyone know if this has been restored in CS4 or will I have to continue to install PS7 before CS4?

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    Oct 12, 2008 6:15 PM   in reply to nickna12
    I doubt it and using your workaround is flat out dangerous. You could
    very lose some work. That's why that dll was dropped in the first place.

    If you want PSD thumbnails, use Bridge.

    Bob
     
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    Oct 12, 2008 9:50 PM   in reply to nickna12
    You don't need to install PS7, you only need the psicon.dll, which needs to be placed in the proper directory. And no, this function has not been revived for CS4 for very rational reasons.

    Mylenium
     
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    Oct 13, 2008 4:07 AM   in reply to nickna12
    you don't really need psicon.dll either (which was the cause of the file lock/data loss bug bob mentioned.) so i second his idea. best solution is to use bridge.
     
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    Oct 13, 2008 5:46 AM   in reply to nickna12
    > You do have to be in CS3 to use Bridge?

    nope. :)
     
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    Oct 13, 2008 5:52 AM   in reply to nickna12
    ... and Bridge CS4 is faster and better than CS3.
     
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    Oct 13, 2008 6:55 AM   in reply to nickna12
    nice.
     
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    Oct 13, 2008 10:56 AM   in reply to John Joslin
    It sure is.

    Bob
     
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    Oct 13, 2008 11:58 AM   in reply to John Joslin
    > ... and Bridge CS4 is faster and better than CS3.

    I wouldn't expect anything less from an upgrade.

    The question is whether it's fast enough and better enough to improve, or
    warrant changing, my existing workflow.

    I really hope so because I have found each incarnation of Bridge rather
    clunky and frustrating to use to date, especially for ultraquick flicking
    through images when Bridge doesn't happen to be launched.

    Here's hoping.

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    Oct 13, 2008 2:02 PM   in reply to nickna12
    Agree with John 100%.

    I still prefer seeing the image icons/thumbnails in Explorer, and by a wide margin over firing up Bridge for a quick perusal. I hope the new version changes my mind, but I'm not holding my breath.
     
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    Oct 13, 2008 2:30 PM   in reply to nickna12
    I have to agree.....cs3 bridge is not that good - especially with large files as it's so sloooooow....I mean, at least 2 -3 hrs to load the previews (2 - 10gb files) - jeezz...

    Thumbnails in explorer was really good and it should be re-introduced....albeit without all the save issues.
     
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    Oct 13, 2008 4:27 PM   in reply to nickna12
    >I still prefer seeing the image icons/thumbnails in Explorer,

    yes, i agree. it's a shame adobe never worked out this issue.
     
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    Oct 13, 2008 4:29 PM   in reply to dave milbut
    Actually with Vista and XP it would be even easier. All they have to do is
    create a WIC codec. They have one for DNG in beta, they need ones for their
    other formats, including things like brushes, gradients, shapes, etc. so
    that you can see thumbnails of them as well.

    Robert
     
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    Oct 13, 2008 5:48 PM   in reply to nickna12
    You guys could all get Macs we have really nice OS level thumbnails. B)
     
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    Oct 13, 2008 6:02 PM   in reply to nickna12
    steve could release osx to run on any intel hardware and then we'd have really nice OS level thumbnails. %D
     
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    Oct 14, 2008 12:31 AM   in reply to nickna12
    There is an add-on for Vista but now I know what Bridge CS4 is like I'll wait. Apart from being much faster to load and run, one minor improvement that I love is that it shows the full path to the image up top.
     
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    Oct 14, 2008 3:59 AM   in reply to nickna12
    >one minor improvement that I love is that it shows the full path to the image up top.

    that would be a big improvement! :)
     
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    Oct 16, 2008 4:18 PM   in reply to nickna12
    No, that has not been restored.
    Microsoft has not fixed the explorer APIs yet (the ones that prevent it from working correctly).
     
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    Dec 2, 2008 1:03 PM   in reply to nickna12
    Well where do I sign the petition to get Microsoft to pull the finger.. seeing as YOU guys(adobe) have spewed out the same damn pitifully improved CS releases without bloody proper explorer thumbnail file formart support!..

    You are ADOBE and you don't have any pull on getting Microsoft to sort some explorer API issue? after how many years??? gimmie a break you guys are taking the piss.. a bit like forcing that crap Bridge junk on user installations!!!!.
     
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    Dec 2, 2008 1:32 PM   in reply to nickna12
    Ok,
    So why can't adobe re-write the thumbnail file format to run with current microsoft API specs?
     
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    Dec 2, 2008 1:44 PM   in reply to nickna12
    As I already said: the Microsoft API is broken. For one thing it leaves files open and fails to close them, so you get complaints about "the file is open or in use" when you shouldn't. Adobe cannot always work around something that is broken at the OS/Explorer level.
     
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    Dec 2, 2008 1:45 PM   in reply to dec9
    I'll take a guess that it's a waste of resources for something that you
    can, and should, use Bridge for.

    Bob
     
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    Dec 2, 2008 1:46 PM   in reply to Chris Cox
    Chris, out of curiosity, is this still the case with Vista?

    Bob
     
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    Dec 2, 2008 1:59 PM   in reply to nickna12
    Yep, the bug is in Vista, too.
     
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    Dec 2, 2008 2:01 PM   in reply to nickna12
    jj, you hear that?
     
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    Dec 2, 2008 2:29 PM   in reply to nickna12
    > the Microsoft API is broken.

    And has been for years and wasn't restricted to the psicon.dll file. It was the case with aiicon as well. I'm sure there were more.

    Acusing Adobe of not working with what MS has out there, in this case, is like saying because they make the fuel pump the truck with broken axles should be drivable.
     
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    Dec 2, 2008 3:43 PM   in reply to nickna12
    Profanity laced post deleted by forum host
     
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    Dec 2, 2008 3:57 PM   in reply to nickna12
    One more post like that I'll kill your access to this forum.

    This is a professional forum and the use of profanity is a violation of the TOS you agreed to.

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    Dec 2, 2008 4:02 PM   in reply to nickna12
    so long as you got the message... pass it on yeah.
     
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    Dec 3, 2008 9:22 PM   in reply to nickna12
    Chris et al -

    Which API and supposed bug are you referring to?

    If you use IInitializeWithStream for your thumbnail provider, that will help prevent your code from messing up others trying to access the file. Just don't leak any references to the stream.

    If you are having the shell initialize your handler with a file path / IShellItem / pidl, and having problems properly managing access to the file, you should let me know and I'll do my best to help you (or get you in touch with our platform PM who I know would be happy to help you out).

    Blaming your bugs on the OS is so tacky =P

    Thanks,
    Brandon Paddock
    http://brandonlive.com
     
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    Dec 3, 2008 11:11 PM   in reply to nickna12
    >Blaming your bugs on the OS ...

    Aha, a Microsoft techie is challenging an Adobe techie to a dual. I'm sitting on the sidelines with interest. :)
     
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    Dec 4, 2008 1:15 AM   in reply to nickna12
    Sorry didn't mean for that to sound so snarky, just trying to help out! :)
     
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    Dec 4, 2008 1:48 AM   in reply to nickna12
    Welcome, Brandon, thanks for offering a helping hand! I'm wondering: is it Mark Hamburg that suggested Microsoft Employees to show up in here?
    Having Icons of Photoshop files in Explorer is sure part of our User Experience!
     
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    Dec 4, 2008 2:36 AM   in reply to nickna12
    > Having Icons of Photoshop files in Explorer is was sure part of our User Experience!

    Fixed that for you Pierre! ;)
     
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    Dec 4, 2008 5:25 AM   in reply to nickna12
     
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    Dec 4, 2008 5:41 AM   in reply to nickna12
    mmmh, not exactly, John, rather "Having Icons of Photoshop files in Explorer that would not lock files would sure be part of our User Experience!"
     
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    Dec 4, 2008 5:50 AM   in reply to nickna12
    If you put it that way, I quite agree!

    Even with a decent Bridge, that starts up in <1 second now, and is correspondingly quick in operation, it would be nice not to see those ugly generic icons in Windows.
     
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