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Why is my video shaky after burning DVD?

Aug 11, 2008 2:41 PM

I am using Windows Vista/Premier Elements 3.0. I've created a project and burned it to DVD but when I watch it on the TV the video seems shakey. The original recorded video is not. In fact when I watch it on the computer prior to burning it isn't as well. Does anyone know why it is wobbly after burning?

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    Aug 11, 2008 3:00 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    What are your source files?? Are they MPEGs or VOBs? If so see this FAQ:
    http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.3bbebe4f
     
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    Aug 11, 2008 11:51 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    Yes, you need to reverse field dominance on each clip in PE3. PE4 has a feature where you can set the project set-up option for Hard Drive and Flash Drive Camcorders. This option will automatically reverse the field dominance for the entire video.
     
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    Aug 12, 2008 6:30 AM   in reply to (CDY)
    I would hold fire from upgrading.. normally the release cycle is every September or October.. I assume a new release will be coming out shortly.
     
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    Aug 12, 2008 7:51 AM   in reply to (CDY)
    CDY,

    >I think I may just upgrade to avoid this but in your opinion is it worth it?

    I don't know how many individual clips you are using on your timeline.

    Using clips from a Sony HDD camcorder in Premiere Elements 3, I have done the Reverse Field Dominance on the clips and it has worked for me. So I would not recommend upgrading just to get the project set-up of v4.
     
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    Aug 12, 2008 4:37 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    Yes.
     
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    Aug 13, 2008 2:43 AM   in reply to (CDY)
    I don't think this is hijacking the thread.... I have a similar issue with MPEGs captured via Dazzle from VHS tape. The captured MPEGs play smoothly as is or within PE. When the final project is rendered to DVD and played on a CRT TV, the VHS clips have jerky motion. I used GSpot and determined that the MPEGs are indeed BFF so I reversed the frame dominance in PE before rendering to DV-AVI. That video when rendered to DVD and played on a TV is indeed better. But there is still more jerkiness to the VHS clips than when played on a PC or when the original clips are played from tape.

    Is there anything else I can do? I have not tried "always de-interlace" because I think it discards one of the fields..... not sure what (if anything) to do. But hey, since I split my project into chunks and rendered each to DV-AVI, I actually got a finished DVD without crashes. That IS progress!

    Paul
     
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    Aug 13, 2008 12:30 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    I say upgrade to PE 4 saves you a lot of reversing fields.

    Paul: PE3 is default lower field so you need not reverse fields.
     
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    Aug 18, 2008 7:04 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    Hi,

    Paul, you mentioned..."PE4 has a feature where you can set the project set-up option for Hard Drive and Flash Drive Camcorders. This option will automatically reverse the field dominance for the entire video"

    COuld you be so kind as to direct me to this feature? I'm having the same shaky/jittery problem on my burned DVD, and would like to fix it wihtou thaving to reverse the field domeninance for each frame of the video!

    Thanks again!
     
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    Aug 19, 2008 2:31 AM   in reply to (CDY)
    When you start a new project you select the "Hard Drive and Flash Drive Camcorders" project preset at the Start Up splash screen.
     
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    Aug 19, 2008 3:17 AM   in reply to (CDY)
    Thanks Paul for the reply. - is there anyway to apply this to an existing PE4 project?
     
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    Aug 19, 2008 3:38 AM   in reply to (CDY)
    No unfortunately not. You need to right click on each clip and reverse the field dominance.
     
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    Aug 19, 2008 3:58 AM   in reply to (CDY)
    Got it. Okay Thanks Paul for the info.
     
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    Aug 20, 2008 8:01 AM   in reply to (CDY)
    You can reverse field dominance on each clip by right clicking on the clip in the timeline and selecting Field Options, then select Reverse Field Dominace.

    The start up splash screen is the window that comes up when you start up PE4. You can select Start New Project or Open Project... in Set Up you can choose the project preset type for your project.
     
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    Sep 3, 2008 10:21 AM   in reply to (CDY)
    When I create DVD's using PE3, they come out shaky on playback on a DVD player. The recommended fix of reversing the field dominance does not change this. It seems to be the way Adobe creates the images from the raw avi file when frame rates are changed.

    I import a PAL avi file of a sequence originally recorded at 16 2/3 frames per sec (cine film from an old movie camera). As a check before I burn a PAL DVD, I export it to disk as a PAL avi movie and use Interpret Footage to tell it the source video is at 16 2/3 frames per sec. If the software did this right it would be a 3 for 2 frame conversion in which the original frame sequence like 1,2,3,4,5,6,... etc. would convert to 1,2,2,3,4,4,5,6,6 etc.. This will reproduce motion at the right speed with minimal jerkiness when played back at 25 fps. I have looked frame by frame at the file created, and the problem is that Adobe PE3 instead creates a sequence of 1,2,2,2,4,4,5,6,8,8,8...etc. In other words it has actually dropped out some critical frames, and that is why the playback is jerky. Reversing field dominance does not change this. In any case these are avi files, and not interlaced. And I see the same thing if I burn a DVD directly. It seems to be a fundamental flaw in the way the intermediate frames are created.

    Has anyone seen this too, and are there any suggestions as to how to avoid it?

    Andrew SWT
     
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    Sep 3, 2008 3:17 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    Andrew,

    Cannot help you with your problem, but am curious about the cine camera. The two standard frame rates were 18fps (silent) and 24fps (sound, or silent). What camera is this? The 16.6667fps rate has me puzzled.

    Hope you find the answer to your problem,

    Hunt
     
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    Sep 4, 2008 5:51 AM   in reply to (CDY)
    Yes, you are right, it was actually recorded at 18fps (it was an old standard 8mm movie camera). But that does not easily or cleanly convert to PAL 25fps, without interpolating frames which can look very messsy and the playback is not crisp. But if you convert from 16 2/3 to 25, then that is a 2 to 3 ratio, so just duplicating every second frame gives a 25fps sequence that is much crisper because there is no smearing through interpolating. The duplicated image is not noticeable, and 16 2/3 is close enough to 18 that you can not see the motion difference.
     
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    Dec 26, 2008 12:03 AM   in reply to (CDY)
    Paul, does this work for VOB files as well?
     
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    Dec 26, 2008 12:20 AM   in reply to (CDY)
    Well it looks like I actually had greater success deinterlacing the video.
     
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    Dec 30, 2008 12:18 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    I think it is a shortcoming of the way Adobe actually produces an interlaced video from a non-interlaced source. It drops intermediate frames to build an interlaced sequence and that creates the jerky motion. Adobe needs to fix it.

    Andy
     
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    Dec 30, 2008 12:38 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    Well, they kind of did. That's what the DVD/Hard drive camcorder project preset is for!
     
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    Jan 3, 2009 1:05 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    It is.

    When you start a new project, you can choose it as one of your project settings (by clicking Change Settings).
     
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    Jan 6, 2009 2:26 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    I am having a problem with a dvd I burned with PE3 (vaio cr120e, vista premium). The video produces image trails when people or the camera move (kinda like what it looks like when you move your hand fast at night). The original footage was shot with a sony HDD (not high def) and the files are MPEG's. The TV its being played on is an old CRT, so I don't know if for some reason the video is too high of resolution for the old TV. PLEASE HELP, DVD was of my Mom's 50th B-day party!
     
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    Jan 6, 2009 2:29 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    Please follow the instructions posted earlier in this thread, Clay.
    All of your answers are there.
     
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    Jan 6, 2009 4:01 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    Thanks!
     
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    Jan 7, 2009 6:20 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    I have a similar Windows Vista/Premier Elements 3.0 problem with shaky video after exporting to a windows media file. Reverse field dominance works for the DVDs' I create, but doesn't seem to work on windows media files. Does anybody have a solution to this? I would like to post small clips of video on-line. Thanks...
     
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    Jan 7, 2009 6:30 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    Again, it all depends on your source video -- what type of camcorder it came from and how you got it into your computer.
     
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    Jan 7, 2009 6:57 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    SONY DCR-DVD301 camcorder vts files from mini dvd's, ... SONY HDR-SR12 camcorder vts files from SONY VRD-MC5 DVD RECORDER, ... vts dvd files from panasonic dvd recorder of tv show --- same problem with all of these sources
     
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    Jan 7, 2009 8:16 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    Any file from a DVD camcorder is already highly compressed... then you compress again to create a new DVD or even a different codec type

    You are FAR better off using a tape based camcorder so your edit source is DV AVI Type 2
     
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    Jan 8, 2009 4:18 AM   in reply to (CDY)
    DVD files are MPEGs (aka VOBs) and use a reverse interlacing process.

    The solution is in Paul's very first post to this thread, Jim.
     
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    Jan 8, 2009 2:58 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    thanks... I used the reverse interlacing process, and it works when I create a DVD, but not when I export to a windows media file... so I can post on the web
     
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    Jan 8, 2009 3:05 PM   in reply to (CDY)
    For WMV for viewing on the web the field order is not important as the monitor is progressive. You may be seeing interlacing... in the timeline right click, select Field Order and select Always Deinterlace.
     
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    Oct 5, 2011 12:55 AM   in reply to (CDY)

    Hi,

    I realise this discussion was a couple of years ago but I'm having shaky DVD images after using a Sony Camcorder and editing in PE7. Mpeg files are fine when viewed on the laptop but once on DVD they're not good. Are you guys still using PE with a Sony camcorder? Did you find issues with more recent PE versions? I have tried to find the start up splash screen mentioned above to change the input but can't find the option mentioned.

     
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    Oct 5, 2011 4:57 AM   in reply to Ms Spielberg

    Might be a good idea to start  a new thread rather than tacking onto a two year old one, Ms. Spielberg. That way people can focus on your discussion.

     

    Meantime, it sounds like you are using MPEG files as your source footage. If so, you MUST set your project up using the preset for Hard Disk Camcorder. Otherwise the interlacing difference in MPEGs (which won't show up until you output your DVD) will conflict with that created when transcoding the DVD.

     

    I guarantee that's your problem. It's a very common mistake that people make while using this program.

     

    More details can be found in my books if you're interested.

     
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