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Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?

Apr 6, 2009 11:54 AM

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    Apr 8, 2009 11:37 AM   in reply to kiusau

    And, we've already got people playing cops... shades of 1984...

     

    This thread was locked / closed:

     

    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/415234?tstart=0

     

    This thread is the response:

     

    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/416527?tstart=0

     

    Policing stinks... who gives who the right to close threads?

     

    Can understand under extreme conditions... but this?

     

    JJ

     
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    Apr 8, 2009 2:12 PM   in reply to David_Powers

    "the only way to persuade Adobe to do so is by using well thought-out arguments."

     

    The old forums, the way they were a week ago, needed no "well thought-out arguments" because they were serving everyone well enough as they were. Now we have problems. I post here, and thankfully am able to get help with questions, but it is now now 'shoot from the hip' 'get in and get out' because it is not possible to keep track of information for more than 24 hours without doing quantum physics to manage threads and keep track of input.

     

    These forums are on the level that works best for teenagers talking about last night's date, not for serious professionals who need in-depth tracking of questions and responses.

     

    Could Adobe understand that logic?

     

    My hope is that these forums will be restored to their better more useable format that we had a week ago and now have lost.

     

    A Cry In The Wilderness,

     

     

    Ken

     
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    Apr 8, 2009 2:45 PM   in reply to Saskatchewanobie

    "These forums are on the level that works best for teenagers talking about last night's date, not for serious professionals who need in-depth tracking of questions and responses."

     

    Well put.

     

    Sadly I don't think any well-thought out arguments here will have any influence on getting NNTP access back.

     
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    Apr 8, 2009 3:04 PM   in reply to John Waller

    I don't think any well-thought out arguments here will have any influence on getting NNTP access back.

    You're right. This isn't the place for such arguments. The place for discussing what you love and hate about these forums is in the Forum Comments forum (http://forums.adobe.com/community/general/forum_comments), which is closely monitored by Adobe employees who are in a position to make changes to the way things operate.

     

    Venting feelings here might let off steam, but no one here has the power to change things.

     
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    Apr 8, 2009 3:52 PM   in reply to David_Powers

    You're right. This isn't the place for such arguments. The place for discussing what you love and hate about these forums is in the Forum Comments forum (http://forums.adobe.com/community/general/forum_comments), which is closely monitored by Adobe employees who are in a position to make changes to the way things operate.

     

    I've thought about doing so several times but I'm convinced that Adobe is not interested.

    They might tweak the web forums but they won't bring back NNTP.

     

    So I've decided not to waste my time posting there.

     
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    Apr 8, 2009 4:02 PM   in reply to John Waller

    So why waste your time posting here? Or is it just letting off steam?

     

    Even if Adobe takes no notice of comments in the forum set up specifically for feedback, at least you'll know you tried to make your voice heard, but it was ignored. Whereas complaining here is guaranteed to fall on stony ground.

     
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    Apr 8, 2009 4:09 PM   in reply to David_Powers

    Just finishing what I had to say, however futile.

     

    No more to add now

     
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    Apr 8, 2009 4:35 PM   in reply to David_Powers

    "This isn't the place for such arguments. The place for discussing what you love and hate about these forums is in the Forum Comments forum (http://forums.adobe.com/community/general/forum_comments), which is closely monitored by Adobe employees who are in a position to make changes to the way things operate."

     

    This is good input, but that link gives an error message that says Adobe is tired of getting input and now has deleted that thread.

     

    Maybe having a nervous breakdown right here is our only choice.

     

    Sigh.

     

     

    I think everyone's frustration here can be illustrated on one point: I had posted a question about accessing the extensions manager on my computer without going through Dreamweaver and now have looked in the applications folder and the Dreamweaver folder in applications and utilites folder too, but no extensions manager is to be found. I wouldn't bring it up here, but I cannot find that original thread as it now has slipped into oblivion and even a search on keywords I know are in that thread does not bring it up.

     

    That just shows me that if a thread is older than a few hours and has not been replied to since last looking at it, you are going to be lucky to ever see it again.

     

    Again, This might be a fine forum format for those who post and don't care to go back to old conversations, but for professionals who want to carry on a conversation, it is not working.

     

    Bottom Line.

     
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    Apr 8, 2009 4:32 PM   in reply to the real blu

    It truly sucks....

     
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    Apr 8, 2009 4:43 PM   in reply to Saskatchewanobie

    Saskatchewanobie wrote:

     

    I had posted a question about accessing the extensions manager on my computer without going through Dreamweaver and now have looked in the applications folder and the Dreamweaver folder in applications and utilites folder too, but no extensions manager is to be found.

    In my MacBook Pro, the Extension Manager is listed at the top level of the Applications folder as Extension Manager CS4.

     

    The Extension Manager is installed by default if you select the recommended configuration. However, if you decided to do a custom install to get rid of Bridge, Device Central, and other related programs, the Extension Manager will not have been installed.

     
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    Apr 8, 2009 5:08 PM   in reply to David_Powers

    That must be my problem. I have done no custom installations but I am working on a PowerBook G4. Maybe I have no option but to go through Dreamweaver. I'll wait to see if you have a comment on this before I do anything.

     

    Thank You,

     

    Ken

     
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    Apr 8, 2009 6:36 PM   in reply to David_Powers

    David_Powers wrote:

     

    Saskatchewanobie wrote:

     

    I had posted a question about accessing the extensions manager on my computer without going through Dreamweaver and now have looked in the applications folder and the Dreamweaver folder in applications and utilites folder too, but no extensions manager is to be found.

    In my MacBook Pro, the Extension Manager is listed at the top level of the Applications folder as Extension Manager CS4.

     

    The Extension Manager is installed by default if you select the recommended configuration. However, if you decided to do a custom install to get rid of Bridge, Device Central, and other related programs, the Extension Manager will not have been installed.

     

    What does this exchange have to do with the topic of this discussion.

     

    Rather than being part of the problem, David, why do you not become a part of the solution.

     

    Roddy

     
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    Apr 8, 2009 8:29 PM   in reply to Saskatchewanobie

    Hi Saskatchewanobie...

     

    The link works... problem was the closing bracket... here it is again for you :

     

    http://forums.adobe.com/community/general/forum_comments

     

    Cheers...

     

    JJ

     
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    Apr 8, 2009 10:06 PM   in reply to the real blu

    the real blu wrote:

     

    WHY should they be chided to move on or repost or even -shudder- have some Mod erase or move their posts to some different areas where it really will never be found.

     

    They are reasonable adults acting like helpful reasonable humans.

     

    Firstly, this entire discussion does not belong in this forum.

    Secondly, the exchange between David and the user does not belong in this discussion.

    Thirdly, as a forum leader David should honor forum protocol.  He is setting a poor example for others to follow.

    Fourthly, there is a reasonable alternative called private email to which everyone has access.

    Fifthly, I have been informed by at least one monitor that they are already swamped with work and that we should not expect a lot of intervention on their part at this time.

     

    Finally, it is difficult for me to understand why you have even called me on my intervention here when you have repeatedly taken the liberty to disrupt my post in regard to SVG roundies even after being asked to desist.

     

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    Apr 8, 2009 10:36 PM   in reply to kiusau

    kiusau wrote:

     


    What does this exchange have to do with the topic of this discussion.

     

    So why did you earlier ask David about *your* problem in this same thread... give a rest Roddy.  If you can't find the answer to your very pressing <span> </span> problem, it may be time to try and find the solution elsewhere.  This is not necessarily a DW question, it's a css question, so other forums may be able to offer you the help you keep seeking.

     

     

     

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    Apr 8, 2009 10:45 PM   in reply to the real blu

    the real blu wrote:

     

    You win because i can't defend myself and present everlasting google groups links that show what a complete *************************** you were. You complained to some overworked forum MOD who is trying to implement this new system that someone hurt your feelings and got them to erase INFORMATION from here.

    I did not know that the entries were deleted, but if they have been I am glad.  That means that my complain finally made it through.

     

    In regard to your above remark it is neither about my feelings, nor my interest to win or even engage in a flame war with you; rather, it has to do with accomplishing the business of this forum -- something that you and several others do not appear to be very keen on.

     

    Roddy

     
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    Apr 8, 2009 10:55 PM   in reply to Nadia Perre

    Nadia Perre wrote:

     

    So why did you earlier ask David about *your* problem in this same thread... give a rest Roddy.  If you can't find the answer to your very pressing <span> </span> problem, it may be time to try and find the solution elsewhere.  This is not necessarily a DW question, it's a css question, so other forums may be able to offer you the help you keep seeking.

     

    When the question was asked, it was made in reference to another post, and David was asked to refer to that post when responding.

     

    You may be right about my finding answers to my questions elsewhere.  I have several alternatives in mind.  Should I remain, however, I do not believe that anyone would refuse to answer a question related to CSS, HTML, and JavaScript -- the three pillars necessary for success with Dreamweaver.

     

    Roddy

     
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    Apr 8, 2009 11:22 PM   in reply to kiusau

    kiusau wrote:


     

    When the question was asked, it was made in reference to another post, and David was asked to refer to that post when responding.


    But you still asked it in this thread, as did the other user.  Give people a chance to get used to the new forum before you start sprouting on about how things should be done.

     

      I have several alternatives in mind.  Should I remain, however, I do not believe that anyone would refuse to answer a question related to CSS, HTML, and JavaScript -- the three pillars necessary for success with Dreamweaver.

     

    I'm sure people probably wouldn't mind answering those type of questions, they have done so in the past. There comes a point however, when someone overdoes the 'asking' and may never get a response that suits them.  How long have you been asking the same/similar question though (I can vaguely remember you asking this while NNTP was still alive).

     

    If you can't get the answer here, try the alternative forums you say you have found, I'm sure they'll love to have you  :-p

     
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    Apr 8, 2009 11:45 PM   in reply to Nadia Perre

    But you still asked it in this thread, as did the other user.  Give people a chance to get used to the new forum before you start sprouting on about how things should be done.

     

    The question was asked to bring David back to the substance of this forum -- not to pollute a discussion that is already out of place in it.  Llke everyone, David is a  creature of habit.  Unlike everyone, he holds a leadership position in this forum and others and should be made aware of the bad example that he is setting.

     

    Nadia Perre wrote:

     

    I'm sure people probably wouldn't mind answering those type of questions, they have done so in the past. There comes a point however, when someone overdoes the 'asking' and may never get a response that suits them.  How long have you been asking the same/similar question though (I can vaguely remember you asking this while NNTP was still alive).

     

    I believe that you have me confused with someone else, as I first began experimenting with rounded corners only several days ago.  If the response to my questions about their use is any indication of the forum's knowledge in this matter, then I have already made an important contribution with each additional entry to my original post.

     

    Nadia Perre wrote:

     

    If you can't get the answer here, try the alternative forums you say you have found, I'm sure they'll love to have you  :-p

    I am sorry, but the expression :-p is not part of my technical vocabulary.

     

    Roddy

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 12:10 AM   in reply to Saskatchewanobie

    Saskatchewanobie wrote:

     

    I have done no custom installations but I am working on a PowerBook G4.

    Dreamweaver CS4 is not supported on a PowerBook G4. If you're referring to CS3, however, the Extension Manager should also be in your Applications folder. If you're still having problems, I suggest you start a separate thread.

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 12:33 AM   in reply to kiusau

    kiusau wrote:


    Llke everyone, David is a  creature of habit.  Unlike everyone, he holds a leadership position in this forum and others and should be made aware of the bad example that he is setting.

    I'll let others decide whether I'm setting a good or bad example.

     

    In the meantime, I recommend that you (and everyone else) read the Forum Etiquette and Best Practices.

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 1:01 AM   in reply to the real blu

    Interesting....

     

    The question has been marked as answered.... and the winner is none other than our own, dear kiusua aka 'hot rod' roddy!

     

    Can we all please give him a round of applause? Well done roddy, we're all proud of you... You truly are a shining example! A beacon, as it were, for all of us.

     

    And, unless i am mistaken, the award was conferred by none other than 'the real blu'...

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 1:48 AM   in reply to John Waller

    I tried - crashed 3 times and gave up

     

     

    Subject: Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement? New message: "Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?" Re: Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?

     

    supergran 123,

     

    A new message was posted in the thread "Does anyone think this forum is an improvement?":

     

    http://forums.adobe.com/message/1878507#1878507

     

    Author  : John Waller

    Profile : http://forums.adobe.com/people/John%20Waller

     

    Message:

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 9:52 AM   in reply to JayJhabrix

    jhabrix wrote:

     

    And, unless i am mistaken, the award was conferred by none other than 'the real blu'...

     

    Is there is something that could be called "misleading pink", then it would be this:

    I'll let others decide whether I'm setting a good or bad example.

    In the meantime, I recommend that you (and everyone else) read the Forum Etiquette and Best Practices.

     

    Roddy

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 10:10 AM   in reply to kiusau

    These forums have many on edge. Even the folks at Adobe have probably gotten the idea.

     

    I feel anything more I could contribute to this discussion would be unproductive at this point.

     

    Thanks David for your undieing willingness to help others with issues you understand so well.

     

    How often can one have the help of the actual author of a book? Since the answer to that is "almost never" I think we should all be grateful or be quiet.

     

    IMHO,

     

     

    Ken

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 11:10 AM   in reply to Saskatchewanobie

    Thanks, Ken.

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 11:28 AM   in reply to Saskatchewanobie

    100% agreement Ken, and deepest gratitude to all the other old guard experts who make my life work.

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 12:35 PM   in reply to Saskatchewanobie

    Wait...David wrote the Bible?!?!

     

     

     

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 3:01 PM   in reply to Dan.Smith

    "Wait...David wrote the Bible?!?!"

     

    On the subject we are most interested in here, Yes!

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 3:32 PM   in reply to Honeoye

    First of it's powered by Jive Software, that's a plus and the layout is simply amazing. Overall I believe they've done a great job.

    I visited the forum many times in the and I never felt compelled to write a post, but now here I am. Good job guys.

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 3:38 PM   in reply to Invectus.web

    Your first post! Now we're going to take you out back of the forums to initiate you...

     

     

    (welcome)

     

     

    :  )

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 3:59 PM   in reply to Saskatchewanobie

    Saskatchewanobie wrote:

     

    Your first post! Now we're going to take you out back of the forums to initiate you...

     

    Not on my watch, Saskatchewanobie.

     

    Roddy

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 6:14 PM   in reply to the real blu

    I love the new forums! Thank you Adobe for giving me one place to get help.

     

    I used to have to go to two different places - no more! I use Dreamweaver and other tools in the suite - like photoshop so it's better for me to stay in once place instead of bouncing back and forth.

     

    Better searching, plus tons of new features.

     

    NNTP is kind of outdated anyway so I have no problem with that - I have rss and email working fine.

     

    I created a rule so all the emails go to one place - not a big deal

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 7:05 PM   in reply to bobby ss

    "NNTP is kind of outdated anyway so I have no problem with that"

     

    What gives you that idea? Plenty of good support forums offer NNTP access. RSS and email is no substitute for NNTP.

     

    You have clearly never used newsgroups properly with their unparalleled advantages of SPEED, efficiency of navigation and screen layout (so much quicker and easier to read), threads (so conversations between individuals are obvious on screen-the threaded view on this forum is nothing like NNTP threads), filtering ("view all replies to my messages") etc.

     

    PS: you're entitled to your opinion about the forums of course. Just don't dismiss NNTP as outdated technology. It's been around for a long time but it's still in widespread use for support forums because it works - excellently - and is a perfect platform for quickly sharing information and ideas.

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 7:35 PM   in reply to John Waller

    WOW!  What a gang of intellectuals with not much to say other than: "Git outta here kid, ya bother me!"  I've been on many a forum thread with various questions but this one takes the cake.  Granted, I haven't used the 'old' system since I'm new to DW and really need help in all areas.  But reading the rants and raves of you 'learned folks' about what is Nirvana and what isn't is just way over the top of what this thing is all about; helping us dummies to understand how to use a very complicated piece of software.  I harken back to some remote episode of Star Trek where the aliens were so far above everyone that they no longer needed to be physical beings.  Kinda like 'Gods' of the universe.  If that's what you 'learned folks' think you are, then I have 3 words for you: "Get over yourselves!".  Last time I checked, forums such as these were designed to 'help' numbskulls like me with problems rather than postulating their importance to the world.  From what I see, the design of this 'new' style seems to be OK and, once I am able to formulate an intelligent question on my DW dilemmas, I'll look here, as well as the 'Cow' for answers.  Y'all need to take a step back and re-read what going on here.  Not about helping others but boasting about who's got the biggest ego! [ IMHO ]

     

    Have a great evening!

     

    (Sorry but I'm not smart enough to find the spelllll checker)

     
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