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Usability tweaks

Apr 7, 2009 8:58 AM

Is there a thread anywhere that contains usability tweaks for the new forum UI?

 

I've seen this Stylish flex-width tweak http://forums.adobe.com/thread/414809#1870916

and Ramón has mentioned liberal use of AdBlock Plus to remove clutter and whitespace.

 

Is there anything else that would help?

 
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    Apr 7, 2009 9:45 AM   in reply to xbytor2

    Well, I may try and learn GreaseMonkey this week. I'd like to make the actions column capable of disappearing until you actually needed it.

     

    Also, maybe replicate the bread crumbs an the "Up to Discussions ..." to the bottom of the page.

     

    I have no idea how easy/hard that is though. One reason I like Stylish is that it was a piece of cake by comparison to what a GM script looks like!

     
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    Apr 7, 2009 10:52 AM   in reply to Eric @ MCA

    I would take it easy on using scripts. It only takes one badly written one to impair the perfomrance of the forums, and you just might forget you're  using a script if/when that heppens. <shrug> YMMV

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 1:23 PM   in reply to xbytor2

    GreaseMonkey script to allow Show/Hide of ACTIONS sidebar is up!

     

    Instructions

    1. Download & install GreaseMonkey if you haven't done so already.
    2. Get the script from userscripts.org. (Click the Install button once you're there.)
    3. That's it, you should now see a little bit of text over the Actions Sidebar that says "Show|Hide ACTIONS". Click as desired.

     

    Caveats

    • It only works with FF3.
    • You have to install GreaseMonkey to use it.
    • You can enable/disable it using the little monkey icon in the bottom right corner of the window.
    • It does remember your current state, but on some pages it can take a while to activate (it runs only after the page is fully loaded, alas.)

     

    Hope this helps others,

    Eric. (aka heavyboots)

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 1:29 PM   in reply to xbytor2
     
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    Apr 9, 2009 1:52 PM   in reply to Eric @ MCA

    BLOODY EFFIN' BEE-YOO-TEE-FOOL work on the GreaseMonkey script, Eric.

     

    (BTW, folks...you'll have to restart Firefox after you install that script for it to work.)

     

    Off to grab the answer bar hack.

     

    Thanks 10 skidillion, mate!

     

     

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    Apr 9, 2009 2:30 PM   in reply to xbytor2

    I'm all for usability tweaks.  The problem with them is they tend to be VERY browser-centric.

     

    It's the Jive Geniuses that need to fix what I still consider a space-wasting monstrosity.

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 4:23 PM   in reply to Eric @ MCA

    And yet another one to take the first topic head from 20pt to 12pt...

     

    Actually, it's probably easiest to just post a link to my user page.

     

    All the Stylish hacks can be found here:

    http://userstyles.org/users/21328

     

    I'm posting one fix per script so people can pick and choose what they want and what they don't. Let me know if it gets too annoying and I can make a combined one.

     
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    Apr 9, 2009 7:38 PM   in reply to Eric @ MCA

    OOPS! An apology and a correction:  I stated above that Firefox users will have to restart their browsers to have Eric's GreaseMonkey scripts fully take effect.  I was wrong. The scripts Eric has written work right away. I was basing my statement on limited experience I'd had with a couple other scripts awhile back that DID require a quit & relaunch to work.  And sorry, I don't have a clue why there would be a difference in behaviors.

     
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    Apr 10, 2009 6:38 PM   in reply to xbytor2

    Updated Show|Hide ACTIONS sidebar to v1.01 with some prettification tweaks.

     

    - Dynamically change text to say Show ACTIONS or Hide ACTIONS depending on current state.

    - Stole paginations style from Jive next/prev so I can have left & right arrows (ie, <-Show or Hide->).

     

    Have a nice weekend, folks!

     
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    Apr 21, 2009 1:50 PM   in reply to xbytor2

    FYI everyone,

     

    New Stylish style to expand the "Where" selection list area in the "More Options" of Search.

     

    http://userstyles.org/styles/17180

     

    This one is courtesy of Mark A Boyd. I'm just hosting it for him.

     

    Thanks, Mark!

     
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    Apr 21, 2009 3:54 PM   in reply to Eric @ MCA

    Thank you both, Eric and Mark.  

     
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    Apr 22, 2009 10:05 AM   in reply to Ramón G Castañeda

    Thanks Eric & you're welcome, Ramón

     

    I thought about creating an account and uploading my versions, but decided it would be easier for all if they're all in one place. And gool ole heavyboots already has a good collection going

     
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    Apr 22, 2009 10:28 AM   in reply to Mark A. Boyd

    thanks a bunch, i really hated that dinky box

     
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    Apr 22, 2009 3:50 PM   in reply to Zeno Bokor

    I've not tried the tweaks, and I think it's great that you guys are working on them, BUT ...

     

    why do we users have to go through so much just to *use* this forum?

     

     
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    Apr 22, 2009 4:14 PM   in reply to greenjumpyone

    Well, I totally agree that the situation is not optimum!

     

    But when they went through the beta and relaunch with almost the exact same design elements (plus some feedback during the beta indicating the designers were against full-width browsing), my spidey sense started tingling and I realized it could be a looooong time before the Official Fix got released by Adobe.

     

    Since it is nigh on impossible to read code crushed into the tiny fixed width + I had some time + I wanted to learn GreaseMonkey + I had just been doing CSS for a couple weeks so it was fresh in my head, I carpe'd some diem and wrote what I did. And others have joined in too, so now we've got quite the little collection going.

     

    But you're right, this behavior is more in line with constructing a camp site out of bits of wreckage while you wait for rescue than the smooth sailing we were all hoping for.

     
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    Apr 22, 2009 9:50 PM   in reply to Eric @ MCA

    Thank you once again, Eric.

     

    This looks so much better now:

     

    Adobe-Forums_Forum_Comments_threadindex.jpg

     

    and

     

    Adobe-Forums_mmsg_thread.jpg

     
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    May 4, 2009 1:21 PM   in reply to xbytor2

    Eric @ MCA posted another Stylish for me. This one expands the Private Message text editor to 300px height instead of the tiny 116px.

     

    http://userstyles.org/styles/17577

     

    I know many of you prefer a smaller editor here in the forums, but I found the PM version too small. (I don't really want to mess with the regular editor since they're supposedly working on getting the "sticky" feature to stick.)

     

    [Edit]

    Just a friendly reminder to to turn off all of these tweaks before giving feedback on the appearance or performance of the forum.

     
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    May 4, 2009 1:57 PM   in reply to Mark A. Boyd

    Mark A. Boyd wrote:

     

    Just a friendly reminder to to turn off all of these tweaks before giving feedback on the appearance or performance of the forum.

     

    Tweaks? What tweaks?

     
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    May 5, 2009 7:15 AM   in reply to John Joslin

    Not sure about tweaks, but this post is about usability.

     

    What moron decided that the little X to close an attachement should go in the upper left corner, when every other Windows application puts it into upper right? Is that a Mac thing?

     
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    May 5, 2009 7:23 AM   in reply to Don McCahill

    D. McCahill wrote:

    Is that a Mac thing?

     

    No.

     
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    May 5, 2009 7:25 AM   in reply to Don McCahill

    D. McCahill wrote:

     

    Not sure about tweaks, but this post is about usability.

     

    What moron decided that the little X to close an attachement should go in the upper left corner, when every other Windows application puts it into upper right? Is that a Mac thing?

    We're in a Windows application? That would explain a lot. Positioning the close button top left is one of the few things this forum gets right I'd be very unhappy to see it on the wrong side.

     
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    May 5, 2009 7:52 AM   in reply to Kath-H

    x.jpg

     

    Can't exactly miss it can you?

     
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    May 5, 2009 7:56 AM   in reply to John Joslin

    So you're fine with it on the left and you think Don's a big silly billy for making a fuss, is that what you're saying?

     

    @Bob & Don - Yes.

     
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    May 5, 2009 8:01 AM   in reply to Don McCahill

    who cares where it is? just click in the image and it closes it. My problem with that popup is that it takes longer to load than just opening the image in a new tab and on large images you don't get a 100% view but it still loads the whole image

     
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    May 5, 2009 8:04 AM   in reply to Zeno Bokor

    Zeno Bokor wrote:

     

    who cares where it is? just click in the image and it closes it. My problem with that popup is that it takes longer to load than just opening the image in a new tab and on large images you don't get a 100% view but it still loads the whole image

    Agreed.

     
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    May 5, 2009 10:25 AM   in reply to Kath-H

    Kath-H wrote:

     

    Zeno Bokor wrote:

     

    who cares where it is? just click in the image and it closes it. My problem with that popup is that it takes longer to load than just opening the image in a new tab and on large images you don't get a 100% view but it still loads the whole image

    Agreed.

    Yahtzee!!!

     

    i mean BINGO!

     
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    May 6, 2009 2:59 AM   in reply to Kath-H

    check out this page: http://www.jivesoftware.com/jivespace/thread/41767

    Can't wait for them to implement this

     
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    May 6, 2009 3:17 AM   in reply to Zeno Bokor

    jcornice? Is that our JC? Go, John!

     
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    May 6, 2009 7:56 AM   in reply to Zeno Bokor

    Zeno Bokor wrote:

     

    who cares where it is?

    I care. I started in computers when every application was different, and you had to manually think about how to save, print, edit, copy, etc., with every program. Lotus was different than WordPerfect, and so on, and so on. Sure, it only takes me a half second to move my mouse from the top right, where it instinctively goes to the top left, once I realize I am in a brain-dead piece of software. But multiply that half second by the number of times in a day it happens, and by the number of users, and the time lost becomes sufficient.

     

    Apple invented (or popularized, they didn't invent much) the concept of consistent user interfaces, and were making big inroads into Microsoft, causing Gates to move to the Windows platform, which also had a consistent user interface. Which makes me glad, because I don't want to go back to the myriad of different ways to do common tasks.

     
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    May 6, 2009 9:08 AM   in reply to Don McCahill

    Some of us are Mac users. Deal with it.

     
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    May 6, 2009 9:44 AM   in reply to Kath-H

    Kath-H wrote:

     

    Some of us are Mac users. Deal with it.

     

     

    Yup, about 50-60% of the users and buyers of the applications in the Creative Suites, as a matter of fact.

     
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    May 6, 2009 9:51 AM   in reply to Ramón G Castañeda

    care to give a link to prove that?

     
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    May 6, 2009 10:01 AM   in reply to Zeno Bokor

    Zeno Bokor wrote:

     

    care to give a link to prove that?

     

    Recent statement by John Nack on his blog*, and Microsoft's own numbers.

     

    *[Hang on: no one talked about the Mac representing 1/10th of Adobe's business. Last time I checked, Creative Suite sales were roughly 50/50 Mac/Win. … --J.]      —March 4, 2009.

     

    http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2009/02/optional_plugin.html

     
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    May 6, 2009 10:02 AM   in reply to Zeno Bokor

    Zeno Bokor wrote:

     

    care to give a link to prove that?

     

    Care to be a little less confrontational and more civil in your attitude, Mr. Bush?

     

    Geeze…  you're probably the one forum user that I would most frequently punch in the nose if you were within arm's reach.    Maybe it's just the translation of Bokor = Bush in Hungarian.

     
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    May 6, 2009 10:46 AM   in reply to Ramón G Castañeda

    Ramón G Castañeda wrote:

     

    Kath-H wrote:

     

    Some of us are Mac users. Deal with it.

     

     

    Yup, about 50-60% of the users and buyers of the applications in the Creative Suites, as a matter of fact.

    Totally OT to this thread, but if this is true then why the heck did they move all the stupid panel close buttons to the right-hand side in CS3?!? Now *that* is something that annoys me (and which would seem imminently fixable).

     

    I predict no attempt will ever be made to fix Don's issue because it's too much of a pain for the web designer to try and figure out what OS you are on and spawn a different close box position based on that.

     
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    May 6, 2009 10:56 AM   in reply to Eric @ MCA

    Eric @ MCA wrote:

     

    then why the heck did they move all the stupid panel close buttons to the right-hand side in CS3?!? Now *that* is something that annoys me (and which would seem imminently fixable).

     

    We complained until we were blue in the face during the public and not-so-public beta testing periods, but were met with arrogant replies from the Photoshop Senior Photoshop Program Manager to the effect that

    "this has nothing to do with Mac or Windows, it's about the Photoshop interface.  It's Photoshop, period."

     
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    May 6, 2009 11:01 AM   in reply to Ramón G Castañeda

    I didn't make it into the ID/PS/AI testing until something like 5 days before CS4 testing closed up and went golden master so I don't think I ever managed to get around to bug reporting that one...

     
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