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Using Keylight 1.2

May 20, 2009 8:26 AM

After Effects CS3 - trying to learn how to use this.

 

When I did my first key it is absolutely BEAUTIFUL...nice edges...right out of the box.

 

Only problem is that part of my foreground character is transparent...therefore, the background shows through.

 

I can't for the life of me figure out what controls to twiddle...and I've twiddled a number of them...to try and get rid of that transparency without losing my key. The docs that come with KeyLight are pretty sparse and seem to imply that you already know how to use it.

 

I've thought about putting a black background behind her, but don't know how to make the black background just be her and not everything else.

 

It seems to me there should be a way to create a basic matte with Keylight that I could use on a separate black layer?

 

Still new to AE but trying to learn.

 

Any help or points to links that can explain how to do this would be great.

 

Thanks,

John

 
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    May 20, 2009 9:33 AM   in reply to john_orban

    Hi, John.

    Before anything, if in Keylight you change the view menu from "Final Result" to "Screen Matte", you'll see a grayscale representation of your matte. In other words, black areas represent full trasparency, white fully opaque areas, and shades of gray, everything else (semi-transparency).

     

    You will probably see there are some gray spots in your forgeground. These are areas of semi-transparency. You need to get rid of these spots, trying to not kill semi-transparency in other areas, or you'll get a really harsh key.

     

    I would first raise a bit the Screen Gain Parameter. Don't go higher than, say, 110. As a general rule, if you have to move a slider too much, it's because you would have to do something else instead

    So, after that go to the Screen Matte section of Keylight and you'll see controls like "Clip black" and "Clip white". These are analogous to input black and input white in Levels - they force almost transparent areas to become fully transparent, and near opaque areas to become fully opaque. This should to the trick. Again, don't push it too much or you'll loose semi-transparency in hair areas, etc.

     

    Let me know if this worked.

     
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    May 20, 2009 9:37 AM   in reply to Adolfo Rozenfeld

    Could an effect like colorama be applied so that every grey in scale of key could be brought back to full black by limiting weel (after key has been applied) ?

     
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    May 20, 2009 10:02 AM   in reply to john_orban

    John:

    Don't worry, you're not an idiot.

    This is a craft that takes time to master.

     

    Using green clothes when doing green screen work is a big, big NO. Make sure you write that down

     

    Now, the problem is - the best way to mask something so it matches the shape of a keyed object is use the matte from the key as a mask... As you can probably anticipate, the problem is... the holes in the matte will also go through.

     

    But don't worry. Here's something that should work.

     

    Pre-compose the keyed layer (you can duplicate before Pre-Composing if you don't want to compromise the original).

    You are only pre-composing it because some effects that will take the key as source wouldn't see the key but the original unkeyed footage as result if it wasn't in a Pre-comp. This pre-comp can be turned off. You don't need to see it. The effects need to see it

     

    Apply the Set Matte effect in the solid. Make sure it points to the Pre-Comp in the "Take Matte from" menu, and uses Alpha Channel in the "Use for Matte" menu. This will mask the solid with the key. Then apply either the Simple Choker or Matte Choker effect (Effects > Matte) to the solid, and tweak the choke so that it closes the holes. This will give you a solid that is roughly masked like the keyed layer (the matte choking may erode the edges but nobody will see them anyway).

     
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    May 20, 2009 11:59 AM   in reply to john_orban

    Yes, John.

    The trick we discussed could work well for small holes in the mask. Not for someone wearing, say, an entirely green scarf.

     

    Maybe pushing the choking control would make the outline contract?

     
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    May 20, 2009 12:10 PM   in reply to Adolfo Rozenfeld
    Seems to me it should be easier than this.

     

    Basic keying is much easier than that.

    The #1 thing you learned for the future is, never, never use the key color in the subject's clothes.

    The complicated solutions we're discussing are for a complicated problem which shouldn't be there

     
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    May 21, 2009 7:32 AM   in reply to john_orban

    Also always keep that one rule in mind: As long as you get a clean Alpha somehow, nobody will care how it was actually generated, meaning that you can freely employ any adjustment and trickery to ramp up contrast between foreground and background no matter how strange it may make your footage look. Remember, that it's easy to recombine color and Alpha using Matte modes or effects like Set Channels/ Shift Channels/ Set Matte. In your case, probably some conversion to YUV colorspace could have helped to spread the range between the two greens before keying. Also, and don't get this the wrong way, consider using the other keying options like the Color Difference keyer. People too often forget about these options because they are under the wrong impression Keylight could give instant good keys with one click of the eyedropper...

     

    Mylenium

     
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    May 8, 2012 7:49 AM   in reply to Adolfo Rozenfeld

    Adolfo,

    I think all they want to know is how to invert the matte. Am I missing something here? How did you interpret their question? That's why I found this thread. It seems like a simple check box for invert on keylight would be a good idea. Right? Anyway, Creative Cow gave this answer:

     

    Re: Invert Keylight Effect?

    by Dave LaRonde on Jun 9, 2010 at 3:57:49 pm

     

    Easy: pull the key, precomp the layer, then use the Invert and Fill effects in that order. Change the Fill color to whatever you want.

     

    You precomp the keylight layer so you can use garbage mattes on it with no problems.

     

    Dave LaRonde

    Sr. Promotion Producer

    KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA

     
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