All it does is send you back to the top of the screen. Useless.
And I can see why, here's the link: http://forums.adobe.com/community/general/forum_comments#
I finally get brave enough to try clicking the button, and it doesn't work--shocking. At least it didn't format the hard drive, had a 50/50 chance of getting Jived on that one.
Who says it was standards compliant? MircoSoft was one of the original signator of the w3c when it was first started. Yet until begining with IE 7 and more so with IE8 has IE become compliant. For years MS used their standing or Offices with w3c to find out what the standards were, Just so they could go directly the opposite. So IE users would have to be looked into using it for site written for IE. Now that Gates is not calling day to day shots as MS, Ms has ventured more into the real world. along with MS , apple was an original signator or backer of w3c.
If everyone followed w3c standards, then any browser could read, and view any web page from anyone. Wasn't always so, but getting closer.
PjonesCET wrote:
Who says it was standards compliant? MircoSoft was one of the original signator of the w3c when it was first started. Yet until begining with IE 7 and more so with IE8 has IE become compliant. For years MS used their standing or Offices with w3c to find out what the standards were, Just so they could go directly the opposite. So IE users would have to be looked into using it for site written for IE. Now that Gates is not calling day to day shots as MS, Ms has ventured more into the real world. along with MS , apple was an original signator or backer of w3c.
If everyone followed w3c standards, then any browser could read, and view any web page from anyone. Wasn't always so, but getting closer.
And he knows it's true because he misunderstood it on the internet.
Ansury if it doesn't work in Chrome then it's a bug in Chrome. Again what version of Chrome are you actually using ? If you want to help; post the problem to the Chromium Project so the bug can get fixed. I doubt it's a bug or you're using the general release version which doesn't have all the latest addons and recent capabilities.
I've on the developer trunk and I have no problems with these forums working other than the known bugs, or features not yet added to JIVE.
Sure you say you have no problems, but why should I risk running a non-production version of Chrome just to get this ****ing forum working correctly?
Does anyone else think this should be considered a CHROME (a JavaScript focused browser) bug rather than a Jive bug?
Chrome works fine with almost every other website I visit. But it's a Chrome bug? Given Jive's track record, it's not a Jive bug...? Sure about that?
JayJhabrix wrote:
Brilliant! Wish it was my thread
I'm all for giving out pointless points to undermine the system, but I'm taking that as more of the usual bullying of PJ and I'm getting a little jaded by it. If that's not the intent and it's aimed at something else, file an appeal and I'll see what I can do. lol The picture itself is awesome, though.
Ansury wrote:
Sure you say you have no problems, but why should I risk running a non-production version of Chrome just to get this ****ing forum working correctly?
Does anyone else think this should be considered a CHROME (a JavaScript focused browser) bug rather than a Jive bug?
Chrome works fine with almost every other website I visit. But it's a Chrome bug? Given Jive's track record, it's not a Jive bug...? Sure about that?
Non Production version of Chrome ? WTF ?! The beta's and developer versions are stable What differentiates them is not bugs but the versions of webkit, V8 and the extensions features that are now being rolled out, as well as themes. There is a different paradigm in the way Google is developing this software; The definitions of terms beta/developer's version don't apply. If you don't want to see the improvements then fine with me; But the issue you're complaining about is a bug in the browser (if it exists) not the forums.
So you can stop the bull crap; you're not helping get the forums fixed by being misleading.
dave milbut wrote:
sorry but "beta" != production
Thank you, that's my main point here.
Are we really saying beta software is production software? It's not by it's very definition. Is that really want you want to say? Oh my...
Have fun telling all the future "outdated latest production version" Chrome users that stop by here to upgrade to the "production beta" version, I guess. ![]()
Beta so far as Software is concerned equals work in progress. I tmay have missing features , It may have bugs, use at your own risk. Such risk you take with Beta software is at least crash of Program, worse could be crash of computer. The only software you can trust is Release Candidate, or after.
In this case beta|developer release == production as usual with Google.
The pardigm is to update fast and release often and have the bugs worked out on the Chromium branch. The Google branch doesn't have many bugs and is better than what most companies offer as release software. You should know that Google is much different in this respect by now Dave. They use beta on their release products for years.
Ansury wrote:
Thank you, that's my main point here.
Are we really saying beta software is production software? It's not by it's very definition. Is that really want you want to say? Oh my...
Have fun telling all the future "outdated latest production version" Chrome users that stop by here to upgrade to the "production beta" version, I guess.
I'm not trying to convince anyone -- Just giving the facts. You were complaining about an issue not related to any Forum problem, and I was trying to help you out, by suggesting that you move to a better version of Google Chrome. If you want to be stubborn, so be it. <shrug> I'm not going to suggest people use a buggy version; that wouldn't make me look very good, now would it ?!
Just like I suggested Chrome to you in the first place ...
S.D.A. wrote:
Abolutely they must have read this thread !
BTW I work on the Chromium project so I do have a clue of what I'm talking about here.l
so you admit you're biased. ![]()
In this case beta|developer release == production as usual with Google.
no. not at all. not ever. not even a little bit. that's exactly WHY they removed the beta tag from their products. because companies weren't the using beta-tagged products.
if they have a "production ready" product it needs to be labeled so. or "release" or "gold" or some other standard. they don't get to redefine the term "beta" or "developer release" just becase they're google. wtf is that?!! there's a whole buisiness world out there where beta means one thing. and that means 'Not Ready For Prime Time'. it means "last step where testing is occuring and it might change without notice". it means "NOT THE PRODUCTION VERSION".
and in the real business world, we can't and don't run "beta" versions of critical software on our production machines. and yes, often the browser IS critical software.
LIke I said perception Dave, not because they were in fact beta. For reference please read this; it's official.
Sure I'm biased as I know it's the best browser and only getting better. You do know it's going to be the shell or "chrome" of the recently announced GoogleOS for netbooks ?
From the above referenced URI;
"What's in a name? Apparently, not much, since Gmail's perpetual beta only meant that there are still significant features that need to be added. "We have very, very high standards for the product, as we do for all Google products. But we are not ready to come out of beta yet. There are a few things that we're working on, and once we meet a couple more of those criteria, we would love to come out of beta," said Gmail's Product Manager Todd Jackson in March. "
Lacking "features" NOT necessarily bugs determines Google's development status. That's all I've been saying.
Hmm, actually SDA may have a point there about Google's past history of abusing the standard definition of beta.
dave milbut wrote:
and in the real business world, we can't and don't run "beta" versions of critical software on our production machines. and yes, often the browser IS critical software.
Still, this is how the industry functions, whether Google likes it or not. I may be able to upgrade myself but most sane organizations will not touch anything that says beta on it.
Maybe I'll try "upgrading" to the developer version (it seems I have little choice), but it makes me wonder--what the hell is Google using for "real" beta testing? Do they plan on operating more and more like Jive, releasing buggy "beta production software" for users to debug for them? Their reasoning is illogical--they are using the term beta to say they still plan more features? That's not what the term was created for. Why not follow the lead of every single other application in the history of IT and just release new versions when they want to add features? I guess Google wants to be the new special IT company, taking Microsoft's place.
S.D.A. wrote:
I'm not going to suggest people use a buggy version; that wouldn't make me look very good, now would it ?!
Probably not, but how sure are you that it's not buggy if they never have a real beta? Are you that confident that it works as a production browser, even on non-Jived websites? (I'm guessing yes.) I may try upgrading to see what happens but if it's buggy, I blame you entirely. LOL ![]()
Guys... my point exactly... overnight Google's various 'Beta' stuff drops the beta tag. I'm questioning their 'high-faluting' reasons for retaining beta – nothing is ever perfect! – it's the sheer alacrity with which they dropped the 'beta' tag overnight. For straight commercial reasons. So great! But let's not have hypocrisy!!!
If you work on or run the Chrome Project. How about thelling the folks to get a Mac version going.
I'd atleast like to have a copy on my drive even if I primarily use Mozilla products.
Between my two computers I have:
Safari 4
FireFox 3.5
Opera 9.64
iCab
Omniweb
SeaMonkey 1.1.17
And try out certain Web Browsers from time to time Just to see how they work and if they work better than FF/SM.
I know Chrome doesn't work on PPC Mac's. But, I go to the site, and there is no Chrome for any Macintosh. Yes for now Safari 4.0 does work for me. I can do even the auto updates like you do for regular system software. In fact just now checking for Software updates I found a 4.2 version ready.
I was refering to this link:http://www.google.com/chrome/
Which implies no version ready for Mac.
If your one of the developers and they have one that Mac user can play with. They had better fix this link So that it is not implying something it shouldn't. Sign upo for news about news about development .. means to me that they are in development stages and don't even have a beta version out.
Exactly, It's one thing thing for one of the developers to know what is meant by a particular window, button, warning or announcement. Its another for product users to decide what they mean.
When devopers create an announment They have to think like lowly users, many of whom (not all) barely know how to find the button to push, or switch to flip to turn computer on or off. Not as a highly trained or emensely genius developer whom already knows what's actually going on.
I too don't wish to get in long winded conversations either.
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