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How to get plain HTML fonts and styles in properties palette etc

Sep 9, 2009 10:11 AM

How do I get the old, plain HTML fonts and styles popup menus etc in properties palette etc

 

I cannot STAND having to create new styles every time I want to change a font size etc.

 

CS4 does not ALLOW ME (gdmn it) to work the way I want to work. Go figure.

 

HELP!

 

THanks

 
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    Sep 9, 2009 10:33 AM   in reply to William_Donelson

    In the properties panel, click the CSS option. Then click the Edit Rule button. In the CSS Rule Definition dialog box, make sure the the Type category is highlighted and then click the drop-down menu for the Font-family and choose Edit Font List... (it will be at the bottom). Now you can use your Edit Font List dialog box to create a new list of fonts.

     
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    Sep 9, 2009 10:34 AM   in reply to William_Donelson

    Probably not what you want to hear right now but have you ever thought of styling you fonts with css? If not, here is a video tutorial for css and CS4

     
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    Sep 9, 2009 12:13 PM   in reply to William_Donelson

    One of the problems with CS3, if I remember correctly, was that when it added a font to your documment it would also create a new and unnecessary class selector. It's not good practice clutter your markup with unnecessary selectors and I advised people not to use some of the features (like the one you are so fond of) that also inserted extra class selectors in their document.

     

    CS4 is a big improvement if you are interested in writing clean markup. Afterall, DW is a tool for professionals.

     

    Using just any old font you want is not the best idea. If you wanted to use a font that someone else doesn't have on their computer, than another font will be substituted and the results may be pretty bad.

     

    So, consequently, I can't help you. (I do most of my css coding manually.)

     
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    Sep 9, 2009 1:25 PM   in reply to William_Donelson

    You started out by saying:

     

    "I cannot STAND having to create new styles every time I want to change a font size etc."

     

    In DW CS3, whenever you format text directly on your page using the Property inspector, DW saves your settings as a new, named rule in your document. The rule was given a generic name such as style3. This bloats your markup, therefore experienced coders using CS3 add style rules and style sheets directly in Code view.

     

    That is why DW CS4 is a big improvement. Instead of adding bad css to your document, CS4 allows you to create a new rule or modify an existing one from the property inspector. Most web designers would not complain about that and see it as a big help.

     
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    Sep 9, 2009 1:58 PM   in reply to William_Donelson

    Really? It's different in yours than in everybody else's?

     

    Provide links to a couple of those web sites that you created in CS3. I'd like to take a look at the markup.

     
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    Sep 9, 2009 1:43 PM   in reply to William_Donelson

    William_Donelson said:

    I used it for a couple of years, and never saw it add any CSS to my pages. I run 10 sites, with over 3,000 pages. Never saw a single CSS added when I changed a font style or size.

     

    If you run 10 sites with 3,000 pages, I HIGHLY recommend starting/learning css. That might have been the way of the past but css is definitely the way of the future. Check out csszengarden

     
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    Sep 9, 2009 1:55 PM   in reply to William_Donelson

    DW CS4 is a big improvement from  earlier DW versions.  In this regard, CS4 no longer supports HTML <font> and other deprecated tags.  It was intentionally designed this way to   support W3C modern web standards.

     

    If you want to  cling to   outdated methods,  I'm afraid CS4 isn't your best choice of tool.  Either hand code your HTML the old fashioned way. Or step back to  an earlier version of DW.

     

     

     

    Nancy O.
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    Sep 9, 2009 2:11 PM   in reply to Nancy O.

    Well, that was a lot of fun!

     
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    Sep 9, 2009 5:17 PM   in reply to William_Donelson

    William_Donelson wrote:

     

    earlier versions of DW crash every 20 minutes, ,and CS4 did not fix any of the image map bugs, or other bugs that I have seen for 5+ years. MM just keep adding features without fixing stuff.

     

    MM doesn't exist any longer.  Adobe products may not be perfect, but I can honestly say I have not experienced  "crashing problems" or "image map bugs" on any of my installations.

     

    Maybe these articles will help you.

    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/429114

     

    And I do not plan on recoding 3,000+ pages, just because MM think its cool or "advanced".

     

    If you're maintaining 3,000+ page web sites WITHOUT external style sheets and server-side technologies, you're not maintaining  web sites.  You've got  5,000 lb. Gorillas all over your back and they're sucking the life out of you.   Now would be an excellent time to focus on  ways in which you can improve efficiency and manageability of your sites with  CSS, SSi's and  server-side databases.

     

    Nancy O.
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    Sep 9, 2009 5:59 PM   in reply to William_Donelson

    Maybe you should take your question to another forum. Here's one for ya!

     
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    Sep 9, 2009 11:39 PM   in reply to Boss DJ

    Well, clearly the latest version of Dreamweaver does not work the way you want it to. I'm not sure what anyone can do for you if you don't want to change your way of working - and I would blanch a bit too at the thought of first learning a new system then changing 3000 pages! Why not investigate some cheaper, simpler options - I think there's a product called Rapidweaver???? Google is your friend.

     
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    Sep 10, 2009 1:34 AM   in reply to William_Donelson

    William_Donelson wrote:

     

    How do I get the old, plain HTML fonts and styles popup menus etc in properties palette etc

     

     

    This may go some way in answering your question:

     

    ADDING  FONT  TAGS:

    By David Powers from the help doc:

    http://help.adobe.com/en_US/Dreamweaver/10.0_Using/WSc78c5058ca073340d cda9110b1f693f21-7ceba.html

     

     

    You won't see anywhere to enter such information in the HTML Property inspector. Dreamweaver CS4 does not support <font> tags, except in Code view. The W3C deprecated <font> tags ten years ago, so CS4 decided to get rid of them from the main user interface.

     

    If you want to add styles to a short selection of text, you have two options:

     

    1. Create embedded styles in the <head> of the page.

    2. Create inline styles.

     

    Both are done using the Property inspector in CSS mode (click the CSS button on the left). Select the text you want to style. How and where the style is created depends on what you select in the Targeted Rule field.

     

    If you select <New CSS Rule>, you can then select the font, size, or colour in the Property inspector. As soon as you choose one of these, you will be prompted to choose a class name, and the location of the new style. To embed the style in the <head> of the page,  select "This document only". The name of the class will appear in the Targeted Rule field, and you can add other values to it.

     

    If you select <New Inline Style> in the Targeted Rule field, you can apply any of the properties in the Property inspector. This wraps your text selection with a <span> tag that contains the CSS properties as an inline style, e.g., <span style="font-family: 'Palatino Linotype', 'Book Antiqua', Palatino, serif; font-size: 24px;">Styled text</span>.

     

    http://help.adobe.com/en_US/Dreamweaver/10.0_Using/WSc78c5058ca073340d cda9110b1f693f21-7ceba.html

     

     

    Note:   If you select text in Code view, you can apply font tags by selecting Format > Font from the main menu. This works only in Code view; selecting Format > Font in Design view launches the New CSS Rule dialog box.

     

    http://www.adobe.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/css_best_practices_03 .html

     
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    Sep 10, 2009 3:05 AM   in reply to William_Donelson

    William_Donelson wrote:

     

    Nadia-P

     

    THANK YOU!

     

    You're welcome William,

     

    I just provided a solution, however, this is not the optimum way to work with styling elements on a web page  - as all the other responders to this question have already stated  :-)

     
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