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How to get plain HTML fonts and styles in properties palette etc

Sep 9, 2009 10:11 AM

How do I get the old, plain HTML fonts and styles popup menus etc in properties palette etc

I cannot STAND having to create new styles every time I want to change a font size etc.

CS4 does not ALLOW ME (gdmn it) to work the way I want to work. Go figure.

HELP!

THanks

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1. J Cellini,

Sep 9, 2009 10:33 AM in reply to William_Donelson

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In the properties panel, click the CSS option. Then click the Edit Rule button. In the CSS Rule Definition dialog box, make sure the the Type category is highlighted and then click the drop-down menu for the Font-family and choose Edit Font List... (it will be at the bottom). Now you can use your Edit Font List dialog box to create a new list of fonts.

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2. Boss DJ,

Sep 9, 2009 10:34 AM in reply to William_Donelson

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Probably not what you want to hear right now but have you ever thought of styling you fonts with css? If not, here is a video tutorial for css and CS4

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3. William_Donelson,

Sep 9, 2009 11:42 AM in reply to J Cellini

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Nope

There are 5m different combos there, including Cascade, Body, <new inline style>, etc etc, plus a bunch of styles that I do NOT use any more, and all the combinations of font families and sizes and styles. I just want the pop-down menus for ALL text to work. NO CSS.

I just want a Simple HTML old-style 1990s FONT menus for HTML with NO CSS at all, thanks

I do not want to build the Titanic from parts. Just simple pop-down menus: one for font, one for size (1,2,3,4,5,6 etc), Just Like It Used To Be in CS3.

PLEASE I just want plain HTML tags via the properties dialog, NOT CSS.

Thanks.

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4. William_Donelson,

Sep 9, 2009 11:45 AM in reply to William_Donelson

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All I want to do is this Simple, simple thing:

I want to hiliite some text, then select the font family, then the size independetly, without Creating A New Style. HTML tags only. Period.

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5. J Cellini,

Sep 9, 2009 12:13 PM in reply to William_Donelson

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One of the problems with CS3, if I remember correctly, was that when it added a font to your documment it would also create a new and unnecessary class selector. It's not good practice clutter your markup with unnecessary selectors and I advised people not to use some of the features (like the one you are so fond of) that also inserted extra class selectors in their document.

CS4 is a big improvement if you are interested in writing clean markup. Afterall, DW is a tool for professionals.

Using just any old font you want is not the best idea. If you wanted to use a font that someone else doesn't have on their computer, than another font will be substituted and the results may be pretty bad.

So, consequently, I can't help you. (I do most of my css coding manually.)

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6. William_Donelson,

Sep 9, 2009 12:33 PM in reply to J Cellini

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HTML font tags in CS3 did NOT add CSS at all. They used HTML, not CSS.

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7. J Cellini,

Sep 9, 2009 1:25 PM in reply to William_Donelson

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You started out by saying:

"I cannot STAND having to create new styles every time I want to change a font size etc."

In DW CS3, whenever you format text directly on your page using the Property inspector, DW saves your settings as a new, named rule in your document. The rule was given a generic name such as style3. This bloats your markup, therefore experienced coders using CS3 add style rules and style sheets directly in Code view.

That is why DW CS4 is a big improvement. Instead of adding bad css to your document, CS4 allows you to create a new rule or modify an existing one from the property inspector. Most web designers would not complain about that and see it as a big help.

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8. William_Donelson,

Sep 9, 2009 1:36 PM in reply to J Cellini

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JCellini said:
"In DW CS3, whenever you format text directly on your page using the Property inspector, DW saves your settings as a new, named rule in your document. The rule was given a generic name such as style3. This bloats your markup, therefore experienced coders using CS3 add style rules and style sheets directly in Code view."

Not in mine. I used it for a couple of years, and never saw it add any CSS to my pages. I run 10 sites, with over 3,000 pages. Never saw a single CSS added when I changed a font style or size.

Perhaps you were using a different prefs or document types?

William

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9. J Cellini,

Sep 9, 2009 1:58 PM in reply to William_Donelson

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Really? It's different in yours than in everybody else's?

Provide links to a couple of those web sites that you created in CS3. I'd like to take a look at the markup.

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10. Boss DJ,

Sep 9, 2009 1:43 PM in reply to William_Donelson

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William_Donelson said:
I used it for a couple of years, and never saw it add any CSS to my pages. I run 10 sites, with over 3,000 pages. Never saw a single CSS added when I changed a font style or size.

If you run 10 sites with 3,000 pages, I HIGHLY recommend starting/learning css. That might have been the way of the past but css is definitely the way of the future. Check out csszengarden

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11. Nancy O.,

Sep 9, 2009 1:55 PM in reply to William_Donelson

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DW CS4 is a big improvement from earlier DW versions. In this regard, CS4 no longer supports HTML and other deprecated tags. It was intentionally designed this way to support W3C modern web standards.

If you want to cling to outdated methods, I'm afraid CS4 isn't your best choice of tool. Either hand code your HTML the old fashioned way. Or step back to an earlier version of DW.

Nancy O.
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12. William_Donelson,

Sep 9, 2009 2:02 PM in reply to Nancy O.

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"If you want to cling to outdated methods, I'm afraid CS4 isn't your best choice of tool. Either hand code your HTML the old fashioned way. Or step back to an earlier version of DW."

earlier versions of DW crash every 20 minutes, ,and CS4 did not fix any of the image map bugs, or other bugs that I have seen for 5+ years. MM just keep adding features without fixing stuff.

And I do not plan on recoding 3,000+ pages, just because MM think its cool or "advanced". The "deprecated" tags will be around for 10+ more years at least, probably 30+.

So why Cut Off your users this way? There are 90% of web pages which use the old tags.

Stupid arrogance.

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13. J Cellini,

Sep 9, 2009 2:11 PM in reply to Nancy O.

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Well, that was a lot of fun!

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14. William_Donelson,

Sep 9, 2009 3:36 PM in reply to J Cellini

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Thanks to those of you answering in good faith.

It does not solve my problem though, and to "study new things" when I need to deliver tomorrow is not a wise plan. And I still need to maintain the other 3,000 pages.

What would you recommend, since Dreamweaver is clearly no longer what I want or need.

Thanks

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15. Nancy O.,

Sep 9, 2009 5:17 PM in reply to William_Donelson

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William_Donelson wrote:

earlier versions of DW crash every 20 minutes, ,and CS4 did not fix any of the image map bugs, or other bugs that I have seen for 5+ years. MM just keep adding features without fixing stuff.

MM doesn't exist any longer. Adobe products may not be perfect, but I can honestly say I have not experienced "crashing problems" or "image map bugs" on any of my installations.

Maybe these articles will help you.
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/429114

And I do not plan on recoding 3,000+ pages, just because MM think its cool or "advanced".

If you're maintaining 3,000+ page web sites WITHOUT external style sheets and server-side technologies, you're not maintaining web sites. You've got 5,000 lb. Gorillas all over your back and they're sucking the life out of you. Now would be an excellent time to focus on ways in which you can improve efficiency and manageability of your sites with CSS, SSi's and server-side databases.

Nancy O.
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16. William_Donelson,

Sep 9, 2009 5:28 PM in reply to Nancy O.

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Nancy, thanks. I am glad you are happy.

I am not, and I do not spend much time changing the 3,000 pages. I only change perhaps 5-10 per week, so moving to CSS is a non-starter.

When I change the HTML for image maps, I have to close the document and re-open it to see any changes in CS3 AND in CS4. Very irritating, especially as I discussed it 2 yrs ago with a MM/Adobe engineer, including sample files and screenshots. But after 20 yrs of dealing with MM, I know them to be totally hopeless. Really. Hopeless. They only add features, rarely fix real bugs. One person told me "Shareholders do not invest in bug fixes, only in new sales, which means new features"

I see lots of non-answers here; mostly "you are an idiot, you should be like us" which is not relevant to THE QUESTION in the Title, and I do not appreciate people ram-forcing me things I do not want.

Other people have other ways of working, perfectly legitimate and functional, and suited to their needs; perhaps not yours.

AGAIN PLEASE: AGAIN PLEASE: AGAIN PLEASE: AGAIN PLEASE: AGAIN PLEASE: AGAIN PLEASE:

Alternatives to Dreamweaver?

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17. Boss DJ,

Sep 9, 2009 5:59 PM in reply to William_Donelson

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Maybe you should take your question to another forum. Here's one for ya!

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18. Kath-H,

Sep 9, 2009 11:39 PM in reply to Boss DJ

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Well, clearly the latest version of Dreamweaver does not work the way you want it to. I'm not sure what anyone can do for you if you don't want to change your way of working - and I would blanch a bit too at the thought of first learning a new system then changing 3000 pages! Why not investigate some cheaper, simpler options - I think there's a product called Rapidweaver???? Google is your friend.

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19. Nadia-P,

Sep 10, 2009 1:34 AM in reply to William_Donelson

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William_Donelson wrote:

How do I get the old, plain HTML fonts and styles popup menus etc in properties palette etc

This may go some way in answering your question:

ADDING FONT TAGS:
By David Powers from the help doc:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/Dreamweaver/10.0_Using/WSc78c5058ca073340d cda9110b1f693f21-7ceba.html

You won't see anywhere to enter such information in the HTML Property inspector. Dreamweaver CS4 does not support tags, except in Code view. The W3C deprecated tags ten years ago, so CS4 decided to get rid of them from the main user interface.

If you want to add styles to a short selection of text, you have two options:

1. Create embedded styles in the <head> of the page.
2. Create inline styles.

Both are done using the Property inspector in CSS mode (click the CSS button on the left). Select the text you want to style. How and where the style is created depends on what you select in the Targeted Rule field.

If you select <New CSS Rule>, you can then select the font, size, or colour in the Property inspector. As soon as you choose one of these, you will be prompted to choose a class name, and the location of the new style. To embed the style in the <head> of the page, select "This document only". The name of the class will appear in the Targeted Rule field, and you can add other values to it.

If you select <New Inline Style> in the Targeted Rule field, you can apply any of the properties in the Property inspector. This wraps your text selection with a tag that contains the CSS properties as an inline style, e.g., Styled text.

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/Dreamweaver/10.0_Using/WSc78c5058ca073340d cda9110b1f693f21-7ceba.html

Note: If you select text in Code view, you can apply font tags by selecting Format > Font from the main menu. This works only in Code view; selecting Format > Font in Design view launches the New CSS Rule dialog box.

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/css_best_practices_03 .html

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20. William_Donelson,

Sep 10, 2009 2:09 AM in reply to Nadia-P

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Nadia-P

THANK YOU!

"Note: If you select text in Code view, you can apply font tags by selecting Format > Font from the main menu. This works only in Code view; selecting Format > Font in Design view launches the New CSS Rule dialog box."

This is Exactly what I needed !

I very much appreciate your concise and supportive answer !

Regards,
William

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21. Nadia-P,

Sep 10, 2009 3:05 AM in reply to William_Donelson

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William_Donelson wrote:

Nadia-P

THANK YOU!

You're welcome William,

I just provided a solution, however, this is not the optimum way to work with styling elements on a web page - as all the other responders to this question have already stated :-)

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