Dear FreeHand User all over the world,
To upgrade Freehand MX (The world most user friendly vector
We need numbers, the shareholders needs to know how much is
the return if Adobe is going to upgarde FreeHand MX.
If FreeHand Users all over the world puts his/her name on
this list that they will pay for an upgrade as soon as it is
available. If the numbers is in millions. Adobe shareholders may
reconsider their decision.
Let us all show our genuine interest. Just type "Yes, I will
upgrade my FreeHand MX with Adobe"
Keep our fingers cross.
FreeHand User Since 1990
franterse, Jun 18, 2013 7:58 AM
Thanks for your prompt respond. Yes! the numbers are coming
in. If you are a FreeHand User and hope to get a New Upgrade, a new
version that is competible to the latest Mac OSX Leopard or Windows
Vista then be counted. We need the numbers. Spread this link to as
many FreeHand User as possible in your community, get them to come
in. Remember we are being watch.
I have 10 copies of Freehand MX to upgrade for Leopard (new
hardware due to be purchased next spring) YES!!! I will pay to
upgrade if Adobe would continue my only drawing solution (I need to
print postscript without font grief from MX). I will not switch to
Illustrator (being using since Freehand 1). We have hundreds of
thousands of files for over twenty years (engineers expect us to be
able to update material from 1989!).
Hi Darrel and all FreeHand users around the world,
For what FreeHand has given me since 1990 when I first start
using vector software. My whole livelihood is much dependant on it.
It is such a complete software, from creative to production, every
detail is taken care. I know Adobe has announce the end of life for
Freehand and after trying out Illustrator for the last 6 months,
What I get is knowing what I have lost in FreeHand even more. There
are so many things that are essential in a design, DTP software
that is missing in Illustrator. The construction is so different,
as a FreeHand user, I feel I am moving backward. Why should this
happen, why do we have to endure this kind of unfair monopoly. Why
should our century of learning become of Nothing. How can this
happen to millions of people across the world. What has the world
become of. Still, after more than four years without an upgrade,
our beloved FreeHand is still so valid. Bravo to the people behind
this software. My one voice may be too small to be heard, but if
millions who like me feel the same way and is willing to join me in
this quest. Like I said, anything is possible.
Hi FH Addict,
As we all are aware FreeHand is still one of Adobe Product
Line. The shareholders still own it, they can do anything with it.
They can still have an ExtraOrdinary AGM and turn the whole
decision around. But for that to happen we must present a genuine
case, where millions of FreeHand users are ready to commit. It is
all about the bottom line. Show them the money. Say "YES I will
upgrade" and keep our finger cross. I am a little part of FH, FH
heart is still beating.
> Why should our century of learning become
> of Nothing. How can this happen to millions of people
across the world.
It's called big business. ;o)
I love Freehand as much as anyone. I still use it as my main
That said, I'm not wasting time with Adobe anymore. They
don't care, and
don't need to care about Freehand users. They bought the
outright and did what any company in that position would do:
I'd suggest it'd be better for us to put our efforts
working with some of the open source vector illustration
some of the 3rd party options, etc.
Hi Darrel and FH users all over the world,
I do this because I think I owe it the software that gave me
my livelihood for so many years. That least I could do is to fight
for the name of FreeHand. I want Adobe to know they have made a BIG
mistake by freezing out a wonderful software. I want the share
holders to know that they have made a BIG mistake by allowing this
decision to take place. So if you are a true FH user and truely
love the software. Do this for FreeHand. What are you waiting for,
step forward and be counted!!
Yeah, I'd put money for an upgrade on Freehand. I am
hesitating on getting Illustrator until absolutely necessary.
However, understand that the Adobe Board of Directors must
make the company money or the shareholders kick them out. Why would
they want two similar programs competing against each other? It's
not a conspiracy. Just some times it seems like it! ;-)
> I want the share holders to know that they have made a
BIG mistake by
> allowing this decision to take place.
But they haven't made a big mistake. In terms of maximizing
Freehand was pure dead weight. The code base was antiquated,
the dev team
was threadbare, and Adobe already owned the market leading
Alas, Adobe did make the right decision in terms of the
Which is a bummer for us and Freehand, of course.
I hate to be a downer, but reality sunk in quite a while ago
regarding this. ;o)
Originally posted by:
Newsgroup User Freehand was pure dead weight. The code base was antiquated,
the dev team
On my Mac OS Tiger and Leopard, FreeHand is faster when
opening, working and quiting. Its weight is only 35 Mo. Is there
something wrong with Illustrator : slow, heavy, and it takes an
undefined time when quiting ;-) and its weight is 300 Mo
Do I miss something?
I recently went on an 2 day Illustrator training course, paid
for by my work as the reality of "no more FreeHand" has set in, and
while the chap taking course knew his stuff and explained
everything really well, I found the actual software falling well
short. I asked some pretty awkward questions too, usually to be met
with a reply of "yes you can do that in Illustrator" followed by at
least 5 clicks, a few menu scrolls and an arcane set of names to
achieve a 2 clicks solution in FH. I'm still using Freehand for 60%
of my work with Quark XPress taking up 30% and Photoshop accounting
for the remainder. Even the mighty InDesign can't do some things
Quark can, this all conquering Adobe stranglehold is not a good
Thank you guys for sharing your experience. I would like to
point out one small but important thing. Draw a text block in
illustrator, type some text, then try moving the text block with
your pointer tool. It will move if you point to the text baseline
or the perimeter of the text block but if you point anywhere inside
the text block, it will not move. You can say, this is small matter
but this is how human behave and react. If it is a text block, why
shouldn't the inside of the block not be treated as a whole object.
Illustrator users who has never use FreeHand will never know what
they are missing. This is only one of many many small things
FreeHand users have enjoyed for a good many many years... and still
Yeah, my main stumbling block with Illus
traitor is those 3 damn pointers and selecting anything be
it text or object, also it was funny seeing the Adobe approved
trainer on the course trying to diss FreeHand's multiple page
option by saying "well what is it, is it a page layout package or
is it a drawing package"? Eh, it's both you bozo!
Yes Yes, A Thousand Times YES!!! Freehand is the best and
easiest interface and for total project workflow. Illustrator is
CLUNKY, full of bells and whistles but much less intuitive (like
using a chainsaw to cut butter) - hence, SLOWER THAN FREEHAND. I'd
much rather see them discontinue Illustrator. I had to do usability
studies back in the 80s when these two apps first appeared. The
time comparisons which my artists completed similar tasks were
almost 2 to 1, Freehand is faster to use than Illustrator. Freehand
is enormously more intuitive and MORE SIMILAR to Photoshop CS3 and
Flash CS3 in user experience than Illustrator.
Thank you guys for coming in and lending your support. To
many, this may seem a unless cause but we all know that so long as
there are buyers out there willing to pay and is still waiting for
that impossible to happen, there is always a possibility. Our time
spend here sharing our experience are for a good cause. On the
other hand, I may be right to think that Illustrator was mend to be
use purely for illustration purposes and nothing else. Where as,
Freehand was mend to be a all round software from creative to
production. FreeHand multiple page function has never threaten
Pagemaker when they first start, so introducing multipage for
illustrator will not ever have any threat to InDesign as well. If
Adobe is willing to listen and start implementing some of the good
things that are mentioned in FH Forums all over the internet, The
people who going to gain from this are both FH and Illustrator
Adobe must realise by now, if they want to successfully
convert FreeHand User into using Illustrator, they must redesign
Illustrator from ground Zero. A friend of my once said, writing a
program is not difficult but writing a good one, is. The foundation
is always the most important of all, get that wrong, everything
else are not going to work properly. Give us an Upgrade or make
Illustrator more user friendly.
I have been using FH since v.1 (back in the 80s).
At present, where I work has 10 designers, two of them have
Intel Macs and they have the ear of 'the powers that be'. They
favour the Adobe CS suite, even though they admit FH is much
easier/intuitive/faster than anything in their CS arsenal. They do
admit, very grudgingly, that FH is a better program, but theirs are
the voices that are heard and they love ID. I'm older (wiser...
dafter) and grew up on Aldus FreeHand. PageMaker I just couldn't
get with, then I discovered Quark XPress. Beautiful package
compared to PageMaker.
So, I'm a dinosaur a
Go back to my post about the Illustraitor course I went on
and the questions I asked the demonstrator/facilitator bloke. I
asked similar questions about ID vs Quark. I will use FH and QXP
for the rest of my working life - if I'm lucky.
At home it will always be those two progs.
> I would like to point out one small but important thing.
Draw a text block in illustrator, type some text, then try moving
the text block with your pointer tool. It will move if you point to
the text baseline or the perimeter of the text block but if you
point anywhere inside the text block, it will not move.
Go to Edit>Preferences>Type and turn off the Type
Object Selection By Path Only option.
Jack, you do your own cause more damage than good when you
don't check your facts. This is exactly the kind of thing that
makes Illustrator devotees think FreeHand users are merely whining
because they are too lazy to learn another program that is "no
better than Illustrator."
Now let me give you one: In FreeHand, select an object. Now
move it numerically, not in terms of vertical and horizontal
distances, but in terms of direction and distance.
Now wouldn't you say that functionality is pretty dang basic?
Look: In alot of important and basic ways, FreeHand is a
better vector drawing interface than Illustrator ever will be. But
the ugly truth is, that's not really saying much.
"FreeHand Addict"? You guys are addicted to mediocrity.
(Never mind that AI "addicts" are addicted to worse.) "Give me
FreeHand or give me death"? Give me a break. "Monopoly"? Look up
the meaning. If this were an illegal monopoly the FTC would be all
If you can't stand Illustrator, give Corel or Canvas a go.
Reward them for also being better than Illustrator, and for
surviving despite its market share. Moreover, do your homework.
Make LEGITIMATE and SUBSTANTIVE comparisons between FH and AI, so
that Adobe (and more importantly, Illustrator users) will
understand that the complaints are based on meaningful fact, not
mere habituated favoritism.
And finally: Post those comparisons where they can make a
difference. You guys are just preaching to the choir here. "
Millions"? Where do you get that figure? I count 18 different
responders in 13 days. Criminy, there's more interest than that in
some of the most mundane single threads in the Illustrator forums.
Hi JETLT, Don't get too upset and start using words that wise
man would aviod. Thanks for pointing out on the Preference option
setting,"Go to Edit>Preferences>Type and turn off the Type
Object Selection By Path Only option." I will try out and will come
back to report the finding. May I ask one small question, how do
you get your files, eg. imported images, links files and fonts to
your printer for production when the work is completed. InDesign
uses Package, FH uses Collect for Output. What does Illustrator
use? Thanks for your time again. Appreciate your pointer.
"Go to Edit>Preferences>Type and turn off the Type
Object Selection By Path Only option."
I tried out on both PC and on Mac, Illustrator CS3. No it
didn't work. By default, this option is not turn on.
So, I still don't understand how you can overcome the small
and important user friendly problem.
Anyone out there can confirm this, would appreciate. Thanks
> "FreeHand Addict"? You guys are addicted to mediocrity.
(Never mind that
> "addicts" are addicted to worse.) "Give me FreeHand or
give me death"?
> Give me
> a break. "Monopoly"? Look up the meaning. If this were
an illegal monopoly
> FTC would be all over it.
Adobe is, indeed, a monopoly. A monopoly in a time and period
legal/government environment allows it.
> If you can't stand Illustrator, give Corel or Canvas a
I agree. I'd go even further and start working with some of
the open source
Of course, given that Adobe is the monopoly, if you want to
make a living in
the publishing world, you'll still have to have a copy of AI
to get by.