Even though no one visits this piece of crap forum any more, i must respond to the last post about raw being a major disadvantage. I can only say,are you kidding? Go ahead and shoot jpg if you so desire,but you will never realize the full potential of your images shooting jpg. Hopefully your bad advice was not taken as the gospel truth.
You can tell what a piece of **** this forum is, when i am listed as a top contributor above Ramon, and this might be my third post in 6 months. what a joke.
"major disadvantage"!!! What screwed up part of the world are you from?
"It does take a bit of effort to work"!!! Are you that lazy? A little work never hurts anyone. Especially if a little extra work gets you a nice image... I do find that this new generation of photographers are a bunch of lazy a$$es.
Hi Larry, Not really hanging anywhere actually. Debated trying nikongear, but not sure yet if i want to bother or not. I really miss the old gang and the great forum that used to be here, and its hard to believe adobe even bothers to have a forum, with the little participation you see on this mess. It seems even the great contributors like Ramon have even given up, and who can blame them. Good to hear from you and hope you are still shooting those great scenes.
Dirk Williams wrote:
Can you imagine what this person would have said before the days of digital…
"Developing your film can have a major disadvantage. It does take a bit of effort to work in a dark room, and should you choose not to do so, shoot with a Polaroid camera."
Developing your own film can cause exposure to (GASP!) chemicals! And what happens when all the dark leaks out?
Donald Reese wrote:
Hi Larry, Not really hanging anywhere actually. Debated trying nikongear, but not sure yet if i want to bother or not. I really miss the old gang and the great forum that used to be here, and its hard to believe adobe even bothers to have a forum, with the little participation you see on this mess. It seems even the great contributors like Ramon have even given up, and who can blame them. Good to hear from you and hope you are still shooting those great scenes.
Nice to see you here, Donald. Yes, I have been shooting much since early spring. I had a contract worth Intel starting July 08, got caught up in a civil suit, resolved that then proceeded to take off long weekends and start traveling. The contract ended the first of this July so here I am, flitting about the country. From desert to ocean. Just came back from 6 days at the beach where my SO and I shot over 1600 frames! She has my D80, I have the D90, a couple of VR lenses (goodbye tripod, even for stitched panos!).
What are you shooting?
I would like to get to N.E. for the fall someday! The PNW just got hammered with an early winter storm. No snow here, but above 4000', another story.
Speaking of jpeg vs RAW, I inadvertently switched from RAW to jpeg (don't ask!) and found I had to actually do some editing from jpeg. Yeeech!
I did manage it ok, but talk about being hog tied!
eothailand, JPEG has only a 8-bit color depth (RAW up to 16 bit), so editing of a JPEG will destroy image quality. Look at a histogram after color corrections :-) It is the most important cause for me.
That is a great analogy, and I was going to make similar up-thread, but you said it better, and sooner.
Unfortunately, newer users of digital capture want it instantly, and in smaller doses. They do not have the background on how much better the images can be, if one works with them, and knows what they are doing. ACR will allow one to set up all sorts of Presets to nearly automate the "development" phase, and probably with Lightroom, things can be automated to an even higher level.
Think of the days when Ansel Adams would hand process an 8 x 10 neg in a tray, to get just the levels of development that he wanted. Those were his originals! There was also no Ctrl+Z in those days.
The only advantage that I could see to shooting JPEG would be where one was doing very limited "happy snaps," and needed to record a lot of images (however they turned out) onto a single card, or where they needed to do motion sequences faster than their camera could record in RAW.
Now, I am not a big fan of JPEG, and only use it when the client needs material for their Web site. Even with Video, where the ppi/dip does not count, and one is downsizing to something like 720 x 480 pixels (SD Video), I shoot RAW, process to .PSD and Import those into my Video editing program, even if I do not need to animate Layers, or similar.
Thanks for saying it better than I ever could.
Hunt
There are several pros and cons for JPEG and for RAW format. Here is list of some:
JPEG format
+ smaller file size
+ great portfolio of software to manage this format
-- just 8-bit (8 stops) dynamic range
-- lossy compression format
RAW format
-- larger file size
-- just a few programs to manage this format
+ usually 12-bit (12 stops) and larger dynamic range
+ lossless compression format
Generaly speaking if you don't care then JPEG format is enough for you. Just shoot and you have a photo. But having JPEG photography is almost like having the print of a photo, digitaly speaking
You have lost the original so you are able to make just minimal adjustments, otherwise you will see what posterization and noise gain means and you will not like it ![]()
You are content with the JPEG photo unless you enter the RAW world
Much larger dynamic range allow you to make photo-corrections like white balance, exposure, contrast adjustment, etc. in large scale. You are working with virginal data from the camera sensor not affected with lossy compression of the JPEG format. It is just aperture, lens, light and you. No digital filters usually used when camera is making JPEG from the same data.
I have been suppling my clients with digital images for nearly 10 years now. I have always supplied them with high res jpegs. I supply designers and direct to business clients and have never had any negative feedback over the quality of my images as jpegs. Recently I have occasionally been asked if I can supply raw files, and when I say I can, and ask what they will do with them, clients say that they have heard they are better, but then go on to admit that they would be more comfortable with jpegs as that is what they will end up sending them out as and would prefer not to have to convert them all. This is only my experience supplying fairly unedited jpegs as a corporate photographer in London, so not a lot of photoshop work. I cant really comment on the editing of raw files as I dont use them in my workflow, but understand they have lots of benefits, but like I say this is only my setup.
Roger Colclough, <shakka.161@bigpond.com>
Dude thats Rude. I have no idea what you are talking about. I asked a
question regarding CS4 on the forum months ago. Since then I have
received in the vicinity of 30-40 requests for advice myself and I
know bugger all. If I could find out how to deregister from the forum
I would be eternally greatful. As for embedding websites and spamming
- I do not have a website and have never given advice of any nature
whatsoever.
No apologies necessary as long as you are sincere. If you are then it is me who needs to appologize. I see so many spammers that look like they are part of the conversation but embed links to a website as their main objective. So it is easy to trip on someone that was sincere.
Again my appolgies for making the mistake...
I had been told at a seo workshop that if you were adding a link you should title the website into it (thats the name of my blog)- I can see now how it looks like spam now, but it was meant as a point of reference. I am new to the forum so learning as i go. Had some really good points and tips to photoshop problems I have struggled with for years. Do not want to mess things up after a few days!
If you want to title a link it probably would be better to let the reader know that you are including a link. The more you are on the forums and the more known you become things like this won't be an issue. Its new users that are more likely to be spammers. So keep asking questions and post a few attachments as well. We all like to see what others are up to, especially creatively.
I have a Sony DSC H9, that only shoots in JPEG.
It's beem a while since I'm learning about Photography and the difference between JPEG and RAW.
In my search for a DSLR camera I noticed an "JPEG+RAW" type of recording, the quality of this shooting mode is a lot worse than the regular RAW mode??
p.s. Sorry about the poor english.
Alex
You will typically get good results with the JPG file format, but more importantly you get what your camera is programmed to process. Adjusting to different picture modes like close-up, landscape, etc, your picture is still being processed by an unintelligent fixed program.
On the other hand, you as the photographer do have intelligence, and more importantly an artistic eye. It is with your eye and the RAW file format that allows you to get the best results, the results that you want to see. Ultimately utilizing the RAW file format in Lightroom will give far superior results over any fix program.
To me its a no-brainer, RAW all the way. With a RAW file you can do everything to it, its basicly a digital negative, so you xcan convert it to Jpeg, Tiff what eva you want. I used to shoot JPEG before i learnt about RAW. Now i', a full time photog i couldn't think of using anything else other than RAW, as a Corporate photographer in London I need to get the most info recoreded in my images and RAW is the way.
Mark
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Good luck,
Hunt
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