.....and why, I might ask, in software used by Photographers around the world are picture package and contact sheet OPTIONAL.

This may sound crazy but if those plugins are working for 64-bit Windows, does the Photoshop team plan on making them 64-bit Mac compatible during the CS5 release?

Looks like I'll be running in 32-bit most of the time.  That's a shame.

Chris,

Thanks for the explanation.  But on a more  basic level you are saying that the features weren't ready for the CS5 launch but will still be developed,  ie: a download later through an update during the CS5 lifecycle.  Just as long as they were not being deprecated, that's all my concern was.

here's a question for you because i'm also running mac OSX and cs5 had been working just fine - all of my filters, including lighting effects, showing up and then one day it stopped showing up. i've reinstalled three times and it won't come back... so... what do i do now?!

Adobe just spent $223,000 on one full page ad in the Wall Street Journal.... so don't talk to me about expense    I still like CS5... just not the incompatibility of the mentioned plug ins with 64-bit....  I also get the feeling they are on the way out.

Yeah, well, that sounds annoying.

Thanks for the explanation.

>In a nutshell:  We can't add functionality after we ship without charging more for it (at least not without changing half our corporate accounting and scaring investors, or running afoul of accounting standards, auditors, regulators, etc.).

hi chris, I'm not picking on you, I actually think this is kinda cool that this was actually said "out loud", I do appreciate the honesty.

>FASB changed rules several years back to try and halt bad practices by a few software vendors, and ended up hurting everyone else in the process.

Chris Cox wrote:

 

…wish things could be changed so we could deliver more for our customers mid-cycle, …

If that ever happened, it would be such a shocking surprise that it would induce a heart attack in me.  

adobe labs probably avoids the problem because it falls under R&D and doesn't generate any real $$.

But this whole thing is sounding way more complicated than it is. FASB is not a government organization and revenue recognition is just a fancy way of determining what's left in your wallet at the end of the month. The bottom line is that customers generate the bottom line not investors.

I'm not an accounting whiz by any stretch of the imagination but I would guess that this FASB hocus pocus is about the contract that is established with the customer at the beginning of the product cycle. And I can't imagine that updating the Mac to fully 64bit would contradict this?  Or is the Mac version CS4.9 and the PC version is 5.0? This seems to be more about choice than law.

>If you think it's about choice, I welcome you to take it up with the CFO of our company (and all the other affected corporations).

well, I didn't say it was your choice : ) 

>We want to do more, but we can't because of the revenue recognition rules set by FASB.

FASB seems to be bent on establishing a consistent point to book revenue based upon a vendor customer contract?

The example that I like is an airplane ticket, you purchase the ticket, the revenue is booked but the work has not been delivered. So, it seems that work does not necessarily have to be completed when you stick the DVD in the box. Consider all of the following up work, fixing bugs, customer support etc. this is just written into the customer contract, and I would doubt that your contract is the same as Microsoft, or even your new best friend Apple. Adobe writes the contract..... and therefore choice.

The original question in this discussion is circling around some features ( 64bit plugins ) that exist in the PC version but not the Mac and were excluded because it was too much work to complete by the time the product was deemed ready to ship. That was a choice.

Or, just give away new features in a similar fashion as Adobe Labs, or call it beta. That would be a choice.

( btw how do software companies hire beta testers but don't pay them? even interns can no longer be hired for free )

China Carnella wrote:

 

 

Hi,

 

…Do not have the checkbox above "Locked" that says "Open in 32 bit". Mine says "Shared Folder."

China,

It sounds like you are selecting the Photoshop folder in the Finder.  You need to highlight the Photoshop application icon, not the folder that contains it.

China Carnella wrote:

 

 

… the Student Version of CS5 Design Premium which I called on about ten times and was assured by Adobe ten times that it was exactly the same as the non-student version.

 

It is.  Absolutely identical, except for the price. 

____________

Wo Tai Lao Le

我太老了

"Lighting Effects" is a tool I have come to rely on periodically in PS. 

And I am appalled that Adobe is hiding behind this obviously bogus rationale, which conveniently limits their responsibility to deliver a fully functioning product.

Perhaps if the Windows version of CS5 had also shipped without the feature, that might have opened the argument that Lighting Effects was outmoded.  But alas, that is not the case. 

No, Adobe chose to withhold this feature in the Mac version to hit a self-imposed deadline / budget.  And rather than integritously complete the job at some expense to the company and issue it as a delinquent - free - update, they are feigning a rather weak "hands-tied" rationale.

"We can't add functionality after we ship without charging more for it (at least not without changing half our corporate accounting and scaring investors, or running afoul of accounting standards, auditors, regulators, etc.). "

With all due respect Chris - Adobe already charged for it. You charged all these Mac users the same price as the Windows users who have this functionality - so either way you slice it, you unfairly charged the Mac users for functionality that you chose not to deliver.

No challenge Adobe may have faced behind the scenes - either internal accounting effort, or technical rigor - can rationalize this fact away.  Adobe's budget and / or timeframe were not adequate to complete the product, and the company chose profit of X over X minus the work to do the job right. 

So the customers have every reason to expect Adobe to cough up an update - free of additional charges.

And I tried it in my version of CS4 too and same thing.  No option to open in 32 bit - and no Lighting effects.

Which surprised me.

any chance your image is in CMYK color mode?