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How To Create Printer Spreads PDF for Saddle Stitch Booklet?

May 12, 2010 8:53 AM

I need to output a PDF in printer spread format for a saddle stitch booklet from InDesign.

 

After installing CS5 Master Suite on my upgraded Mac OS X 10.6.2 MacBook I can't figure out how to do that though.

 

Has anyone figured this out?

 

Thanks,

DAN

 
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    May 12, 2010 9:12 AM   in reply to Dan Poynor

    Use Print Booklet, print a postscript file and then distill it.

     

    Or you could check this link out.

     

    http://bitbucket.org/codepoet/cups-pdf-for-mac-os-x/wiki/Home

     

    Don't know if this would work as I have not tried it.

     

    Doyle

     
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    May 12, 2010 9:17 AM   in reply to Dan Poynor

    Oh right.

     

    File>Print Booklet

    Set it up

     

    >Print Settings...

    >>Printer>Adobe PDF

     

    I know it's not obvious. I'll post a comment there to clarify.

     
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    May 12, 2010 9:32 AM   in reply to Eugene Tyson

    Some people will have the a PDF printer installed. You don't have to  just output this to your own printer, you can make a PDF.

     

    File>Print Booklet
    Set up the booklet to your liking

     

     

    At the bottom of the Print Booklet Dialog Box there is a "Print  Settings"
    Click this to bring up a new Dialog Box

     

    You should see a listing for "Printers" at the top of this Print  dialog box. If you have Adobe PDF printer installed, you can print  directly to a PDF.

     

    If you want to choose a Pre-Defined PDF setting, go to Set Up ... 
    (if you get a warning continue on)

     

    Make Sure Adobe PDF printer is selected - and click on Settings

     

    Here you can define the settings to your likings, or choose  a  pre-defined PDF setting.

     

     

    http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1923/printsettings.jpg

     
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    May 12, 2010 9:37 AM   in reply to Eugene Tyson

    File>Print Booklet

    Set it up

     

    >Print Settings...

    >>Printer>Adobe PDF

     

    Not possible on 10.6.x. Use Printer Setting / PostScript® File, then distill to the settings of your choice in Acrobat Distiller.

     

    Doyle

     
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    May 12, 2010 9:39 AM   in reply to Was DYP

    Well you can go to Postscript too and distill it, that's fine, you still have those options in distiller.

     

    So yes if PDF isn't there, then Postscript and distill.

     
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    May 12, 2010 10:24 AM   in reply to Eugene Tyson

    Eugene, this is a unique problem for users of Snow Leopard which killed the PDF printer.

     

    If you don't have distiller, you can use a script to do the imposition, then export spreads using ID's standard PDF export. Dave Saunders wrote two that work pretty well for two-up saddle stitch. There are some limitiations though.

     
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    May 12, 2010 12:03 PM   in reply to Dan Poynor

    That's unfortunate.

     
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    May 12, 2010 12:05 PM   in reply to Peter Spier

    Duly noted.

     
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    May 12, 2010 12:15 PM   in reply to Dan Poynor

    Dan Poynor wrote:

     

    Eugene - it looks like you've posted some screen shots from your Windows computer. Windows is actually a different operating system than Macs use and both operating systems don't use the same options in every window for every task. Microsoft and Apple are the different companies that create the operating systems.

     

    Please read forum posts carefully before responding. For example "Mac OS X 10.6.2 MacBook" means I'm using a different operating system.

     

    I'm sorry I wasn't on my Mac - I would have noticed that missing. I've only ever made files like this from my Windows computer I was unaware of the issue with the Mac.

     

    I do read forum posts carefully - thanks for letting me know what to do and when to respond?

     

    I'm sure what I've posted will help someone at some stage who is searching for an answer to the same problem. I've seen this question asked many times for both Windows and Macs and the answer that I have given in the past has solved the issue.

     

    Please note you're not the only person in the world or reading the forum that has this issue. We know now that this specific OS has an issue. And I'm sorry I was unaware of this obscure fact.

     

    I'm sorry my answer didn't fulfill your specific needs and I'm sorry that I wasted my time creating those screen shots for you to assist you.

     
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    May 12, 2010 12:26 PM   in reply to Eugene Tyson

    Sorry excuse my post there. Not in character at all for me. Pretty tired today.

     

    I made a mistake and I posted some irrelevant information in this case. Grrrr I hate being tired.

     
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    May 12, 2010 12:35 PM   in reply to Eugene Tyson

    Forget it, Eugene.

     

    Bob

     
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    May 12, 2010 1:27 PM   in reply to Bob Levine

    Does the make booklet script from CS4 work on CS5? I use it for CS3 and CS4 and it works a charm. Update your ID file, then open your booklet file and it updates automatically. No having to create a new booklet everytime you update the original doc.

     
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    May 12, 2010 2:04 PM   in reply to Mr. Met

    Mr. Met wrote:

     

    Does the make booklet script from CS4 work on CS5?

    Haven't tried it, but the answer is probably yes. If it fails while loose inthe scripts folder, make a Version 6.0 Scripts subfolder and stick it in that.

     

    Jongware will probably be by shortly to amend this...

     
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    May 13, 2010 5:45 AM   in reply to Peter Spier

    Good point. I forgot to mention that once you have your book spreads, export to PDF.


     
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    May 13, 2010 7:54 AM   in reply to Mr. Met

    Mr. Met wrote:

     

    Good point. I forgot to mention that once you have your book spreads, export to PDF.


    And be sure to check the "spreads' box...

     
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    May 29, 2011 10:59 AM   in reply to Dan Poynor

    Having the same issue. When I use the Print Booklet option and go through the settings to print to Adobe PDF it seems to be saving, flattening the file, etc., but I don't know where it's saving to and I can't find the PDF anywhere after it saves. Any ideas? Is it really saving to a PDF or just going through the motions?
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    May 29, 2011 11:42 AM   in reply to SmartGraphicArt

    If you have Snow Leopard, it's just going through the motions. You'd need to print to file, then distill, or use an imposition script and export spreads.

     

    InDesignSecrets » Blog Archive » Acrobat’s Adobe PDF Printer Replaced in Snow Leopard

     
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    May 29, 2011 11:52 AM   in reply to Peter Spier

    That's what I was afraid of. We bought CS5 during the changeover to Acrobat X and it came WITHOUT Acrobat Pro. We still haven't gotten our license and I might end up to have to buy a standalone version. Bummer. Tried firing up my old CS3 on the PC but of course the version of distiller was not recent enough to work with the 9.0 that Indesign CS5 prints to. Come one Adobe, with all of your incompatible upgrades you're starting to look like Apple.

     
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    May 29, 2011 12:02 PM   in reply to SmartGraphicArt

    There are a number of impositon scripts that work quite well for simple 2-up saddle stitch publications. Dave Saunders wrote two.

     

     

    http://pdsassoc.com/downloads/Buildbooklet.zip is fast and works if you don't have objects crossing the spine.

     

     

    If you do, then use Dave's CS3 Booklet Script

     

    As far as I know, both will work in CS5, though you might need to create a "Version 5.0" (without quotes) subfolder in the scripts folder to hold them so they are interpreted correctly if you get an error.

     
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    May 29, 2011 12:03 PM   in reply to SmartGraphicArt

    SmartGraphicArt wrote:

     

    Come one Adobe, with all of your incompatible upgrades you're starting to look like Apple.

    The loss of the PDF virtual printer is all Apple, and I don't know why you think distiller 8 would not handle the postscript generated from any version of ID.

     
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    Dec 28, 2011 8:33 AM   in reply to Eugene Tyson

    Well, it did smack a little of ungratefulness when I read it too... besides, I'm on a Mac running 10.6.8, and I still found your directions, although for Windows, very helpful. The actual dialogs, and even the placement of the printer settings buttons were practically identical from those depicted in the screenshots.

     

    Personally, I'm just surprised that this isn't a more automated process within InDesign. Its not a terribly unusual request from print houses to provide properly impositioned printer spreads to keep the production costs down and it seems like a relatively straight forward print/design need so the long standing omission is peculiar to say the least.

     
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    Dec 28, 2011 8:43 AM   in reply to rcbmoose

    rcbmoose wrote:

     

    Personally, I'm just surprised that this isn't a more automated process within InDesign. Its not a terribly unusual request from print houses to provide properly impositioned printer spreads to keep the production costs down and it seems like a relatively straight forward print/design need so the long standing omission is peculiar to say the least.

    I couldn't possibly disagree with that more. Any modern printer is likely to charge you extra to dismantle an imposed document.

     

    The only printers that would want this are little mom and pops or printers too stretched to buy real imposition software.

     

    Print Booklet was never intended to replace professional level imposition software.

     

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    Dec 28, 2011 11:49 AM   in reply to Bob Levine

    Anecdotes ≠ opinions but they certainly seem to form the backbone of a great deal of opinion, so I don't know what you have to disagree with there. I have a need and the software doesn't fulfill that need. And it has been my experience on more than one occasion with printers and more recently (the past 3 years) with shops that specialize in brochure printing specifically. The definition of "any modern printer" is also curious, probably likewise as anecdotal as my stated need, and certainly subject to a great deal of assumptions about use case. From mom and pop shops, to printing comps at Kinkos for a client, to fulfillment with massive web presses, I would expect my software to cope with relative ease on a demand that has been there since the dawn of saddle stitch. The current job that I am setting up is on a massive printer that can offer more competitve prices for their jobs if the designers pre-impose the job. Not the way I normally work, but they certainly aren't the first to request it. But to argue that a professional level piece of publications software can't figure out basic imposition as part of the natural order of things is kind of silly. And to presume that my or anyone else's definition of need from their software is disagreeable somehow smacks of arrogance to me. Sure, maybe I won't get the kind of precision in crossovers and the like that I would from in-house software dialed in to the vagaries of a given press, but then not every job has a $100k budget and 6 color heidelbergs...

     
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    Dec 28, 2011 12:20 PM   in reply to Dan Poynor

    That's why I qualified it... "practically identical". Replace "Adobe PDF" with "Postscript File" and I found that it got me 90% of the way there so Eugene's point about it helping someone else with a similar need rang true in my case. I was already aware of the lack of the PDF Printer in SL, so that was moot detail for me. But that's the beauty of a an open forum IMO: even if you didn't find it helpful I don't think he should be discouraged or chastened for his effort because it helped me and could undoubtedly help others too.

     

    Also, as an aside specific to the Adobe forums, even though I am not remotely as prolific a poster as some folks, I have frequently found resolutions to Mac questions in Windows threads and vice versa. Personally, I also don't find it terribly clear which flavor of a given software's forum I happen to be in when coming in cold from a Google search or the like... eg. Sure, one should read the OP thoroughly, but if you were just scanning and trying to help, simply looking at the top of this very thread there is quite literally no indication of whether this is a Mac or Windows InDesign question:

    Screen shot 2011-12-28 at 1.14.53 PM.png

     

    "I've seen this question asked many times for both Windows and Macs"... me too, and I think every bit of info to troubleshoot it and crowdsource solutions can only help. Even if we don't all have the luxury of dealing with "modern printers."

     
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    Dec 28, 2011 12:29 PM   in reply to rcbmoose

    There used to be separation for Win and Mac forums. Given that the solution is the same for almost all problems (this thread being one of the exceptions) the two were combined a couple years back.

     

     

     

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    Dec 28, 2011 12:33 PM   in reply to Bob Levine

    Ah, that explains it... given that I never even noticed the change, I guess that just lends credence to the main thrust of the position. Cheers!

     
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    Dec 28, 2011 12:41 PM   in reply to rcbmoose

    "Impositioning" is not as simple as you appear to think! There are scores of variants, and every printing company (in cooperation with its binders) has their own preference.

     

    Check out something like Quite Imposing -- an Acrobat plugin. It allows professional level imposition of PDFs, from the lowly magazine binding for simple stapling up to sheets of 64 pages and more. InDesign's Print Booklet is sort of a running joke, compared to that. There is noth wrong with leaving impositioning to the printer, in my experienced opinion.

     
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    Dec 28, 2011 1:09 PM   in reply to [Jongware]

    I like, "scores of variants"... Is that an impositioning pun?

     

    I'm under no illusion of just how complicated impositioning can be, having spent a few years on press at Cadmus in my youth... But, for basic needs like docs without complex crossovers, or assembling mocks, or dealing with printers (or projects) that don't have tighter requirements, it does seem like a lot of headache and hoops to create the most basic and simple of imposed spreads. My supposition is that perhaps it is assumed that it would be too easily an abused tool... Still, given the level of assumed trust in the competence of a given designer using a pro layout tool like InDesign to make those choices as they deem fit with projects, I would hope that isn't the reasoning. It certainly wouldn't stop someone from making just as grave a prepress mistake as in a myriad other facets of layout that are normally better left to the printers.

     

    Oh, and BTW, not to be misunderstood... I would rather not have to do impositioning work. I really really wouldn't. But its not always up to me unfortunately.

     
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    Dec 28, 2011 1:13 PM   in reply to rcbmoose

    rcbmoose wrote:

     

    ... But, for basic needs like docs without complex crossovers, or assembling mocks, or dealing with printers (or projects) that don't have tighter requirements, it does seem like a lot of headache and hoops to create the most basic and simple of imposed spreads

    See http://pdsassoc.com/downloads/Buildbooklet.zip

     
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    Dec 28, 2011 1:25 PM   in reply to Peter Spier

    Oh la la, that is MUCH better than the MakeBooklet script... Looks like Xmas came late... thank you!

     
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    Dec 28, 2011 1:28 PM   in reply to rcbmoose

    >I like, "scores of variants"... Is that an impositioning pun?

     

    Not intended, but you may blaim a spurious intake of rum for that (as I'm on the down slope of my phase rite now).

     

    Point is, imposition is a tricky thing. I think it's totally fair to say imposition is "best left to professionals". There are many pitfalls, and wo on the poor printer that gets an 'impositioned' document he has to rip apart and re-assemble into the proper order, all bleeds etc. intact. Very best advice I can offer is to ASK YOUR PRINTER before attempting anything.

     
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    Dec 28, 2011 1:46 PM   in reply to [Jongware]

    [Jongware] wrote:

     

    Very best advice I can offer is to ASK YOUR PRINTER before attempting anything.

     

    Totally agree... it just so happens that with one of my reps, the printer for huge runs of cheapo brochures has actually requested pre-imposed files. Go figure.

     

    Sorry, I'm in a bind and the Kahlua isn't giving me any decent puns, so I'll try not to impose further on anyone's time and leave it to you to keep me in stitches. No jokes about stripping though or I'll show my age I'm afraid... Hey oh!

     
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    Dec 28, 2011 3:16 PM   in reply to Dan Poynor

    Dan,

     

    Please lighten up. Eugene made an honest mistake, for which he apologized at the time, and rcbmoose has found the ingormation useful, even if you did not. That's the whole point of these forums. I don't see any evidence of "flaming."

     
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    Dec 28, 2011 3:31 PM   in reply to Dan Poynor

    This counts as practically identical to me:

     

    print1.pngprint2.png

     

    So, yeah, that was all I personally needed, not the following screens... I'm sorry his post wasn't helpful to you, but I supposed "off topic" is in the eye of the beholder, because it was helpful for me in solving the specific question posed by your initial post, an issue that I shared. That was my point. And now its a matter of record so hopefully others will find it helpful too. Or any of the plugins or suggestions that ensued as the thread unfolded.

     

    Personally, I found your reaction to his attempt at being helpful far far more impolite than any presumed hijacking (a label I don't agree with in this case, BTW).

     

    Anyway, in case you have yet to give it a shot you should try out the script that Peter linked to above. I found that it worked perfectly for pre-imposing simple files before export. Also, if you have Acrobat (and thus presumably Distiller), you can open your .PS file that results from the above screens with either one of those and create a PDF that way too.

     
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