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New Nikon D3 and D700 "Camera" v2 beta profiles

Mar 23, 2010 12:23 PM

I have posted a zip file containing updated "Camera" color profiles (Camera Standard, Camera Neutral, etc.) for the Nikon D3 and Nikon D700. The zip file contains a copy of the readme, but I'll post it here for convenience, too:

 

BETA RELEASE NOTES

 

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Overview

 

These updated Camera v2 beta profiles for the Nikon D3 and Nikon D700
are designed to reduce banding and highlight color artifacts. Note
that highlight areas may appear a little brighter compared to the
earlier profiles.

 

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Installation

 

If you are on Mac OS X, drag the "Camera v2 beta" folder to:

 

    /Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles

 

If you are on Windows XP, drag the "Camera v2 beta" folder to:

 

    C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles

 

If you are on Windows Vista or Windows 7, drag the "Camera v2 beta"
folder to:

 

    C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles

 

Note that the above path on Windows Vista and Windows 7 may be hidden
by default. Check your folder settings.

 

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Feedback

 

The profiles are currently in beta status. Please provide feedback via
the online Adobe user-to-user forums here:

 

http://forums.adobe.com/community/cameraraw
http://forums.adobe.com/community/lightroom

 

Thank you!

 
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    Mar 23, 2010 8:07 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Excellent!  Just tried out the new Camera profiles on a couple of my more problematic D700 files, and the color posterization I used to see seems to be gone.  Thanks for making these new beta profiles available.  Good work!

     
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    Mar 26, 2010 10:58 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    This is absolutely great! I was waiting for this day for a long time! I think this is the main thing I wanted from LR version 3!

     

    However there significant changes in overall colour rendering, especially in lightr-blue\green colours but I can live with it.

     

    Thank you!

     
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    Mar 27, 2010 10:48 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    It is definitely an  improvement, the question is whether the profile is still good enough,  there is still room for improvement, but definitely a step in the right  direction.

     

    Wbr.

    Per

     

     

     

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    Mar 27, 2010 11:54 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Hi Eric,

    Thanks for those profiles! My comments :

    - Posterization is gone! That is great.

    - Colors are pretty much like the one you get from Capture NX and more accurate than previous profile (at least they seem to)

    - The previous tone curve was closer to the CNX one than the v2 beta profiles. This one is closer with highlights (except the clipping point) but not mid tones that are brighter.

    - Highlights are still clipping 0.5EV earlier than CNX, giving too often burnt highlights (BaselineExposure).

    Regards,

    Romain

     
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    Mar 27, 2010 3:38 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Just downloaded the v2 D3/D700 profiles.  This now give a much better match to the native camera picture controls as rendered with Capture NX.  Now I have consistency of images in my workflow from camera to lightroom without having to go via NX.

    V. 1 gave much too flat colors, especially a brightly sunlit yellow house facade was washed out, but now is very close to NX.  In addition, NX skin tones were warmer, and contrast not as agressive as V1.  V2 seems to have gotten so close now, that for it is in the range of very acceptable.

     

    Also, the de-mosaic of D700 raw fines with fine density leaves, foliage seems to be improved compared to NX.  Nikon D700 always had a tendency to render this type of scenes mushy compared to Canon 5D (just look at Ken Rockwells examples), and I have also experienced the same.  Seems like the new lightroom engine has improved on this.  Also, the sharpening seems to be improved by being able to apply much more sharpening without objectionable artifacts creeping in as soon.  It would be nice to know if I am just hallucinating, or if the developers really have worked on this;-)

     

    For the profiles to match I have to turn off Active D-lighting, a feature which reduces dynamic range in a very fine manner with the D700.

     

    In addition the D-lighting (fine) is NX does a better job than what I can figure out in Lightroom, so this is an area of technology that Adobe should work on (or I need to figure out how to do it better using Lightroom).  As far as I can see, Fill lighting is nowhere near as good, but highlight recover is Lightroom appears better.  I suspects Lightroom "cheats" by extrapolating values from clipped channels, while NX refuses to guess at what non-capture values might be.   (again, I would welcome if the LR developers could comment on this conjecture ;-)

     

    Finally, the U point editing in NX in really brilliant and in addition ViewNX is much faster at previewing and zooming on NEF files.

     

    And one more "final", what about the automatic chromatic abberation correction done by NX, would be nice if LR could do it so I don't have to worry about it.

     

    Although I have not yet gotten to a single software package for post-processing, LR3 will probably reduce my dependency on NX, but not VIEW NX.

     

    Sorry about these last off-subject comments, I know this is a camera profile forum...., but mimicing the Picture controls is a big step forward.

     

    Carsten

     
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    Mar 27, 2010 6:31 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    My purpose in showing the raw converting from DXO was not to compare programs, but to show that there is still, albeit smaller, is a problem with Posterization, as I often  have tasks that includes white walls or light pastel colors, this is a  very annoying problem because it is very time  consuming to remove.


    It has been a recurring problem  with Nikon profiles, but D3 is worse than ever, so I for that reason  have been forced to use other converters do not have the problem. It has actually been so problematic that I have had 2 times  the camera with Nikon because I was convinced that it was an error in  the camera. But I am very pleased  that Adobe is addressing the problem and hopefully get it resolved
    In addition, I can only give  CarstenPix right to automatic CA correction will be very helpful. Although it  has nothing to do with profiles.
    Here are some more examples  showing the problem. camera std. V.2 left./ V.1 Right.

    Regards.

    Per

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    Mar 28, 2010 4:03 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Hi, overall tonality/contrast rendition are improved.

    Reds specifically crimsons and to lesser extent orange are still not rendering true natural colours compared to custom calibrated profiles from a colour chart.

    D700 - LR2

    Thanks, Rudi

     
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    Mar 28, 2010 12:12 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Just tried the new D700 profiles, great improvement, far less posterization and strange blocked out dark when using the D2x modes. Keep up the great work, all looks promising!

     
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    Mar 29, 2010 7:41 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Thank you MadManChan2000 for your effort! I have tried new profiles and they looks great, but I found out some un-smoothness in photo of rainbow.  The transitions of Camera x v2 are not smooth as older Camera x. There is a leap between yellow and green and between cyan and blue. Very similar unsmooth transitions are visible in profile Adobe Standard.

    On this link you can download original raw + xmp and exported jpg (Camera Standard v2 vs. Camera Standard beta1):

    http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/97416/LR3.ZIP_21.11MB.html

     
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    Mar 29, 2010 2:14 PM   in reply to takyhonza

    Eric, thanks very much for your efforts!  Here is a sample where your changes have helped me (LR rendering done in LR3B2).

     

     

     

    NX profile.jpg

     

    New profile.jpg

     

    Old profile.jpg

     

    The Nikon NX and v2 camera neutral renderings are almost identical, while the v1 camera neutral rendering is blotchy in comparison.

     

    I will look for ones that do not work as well, but this is looking good Eric.

     

    Regards

    Rory

     
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    Apr 6, 2010 3:17 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Is this just for the D3 or also for the D3s?

     
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    Apr 6, 2010 12:24 PM   in reply to Wayne Rotz
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    Wayne Rotz wrote:

     

    Is this just for the D3 or also for the D3s?

     

    I saw somewhere that Eric said the profiles for the D3s are different and already "corrected".

     

    Rory

     
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    Apr 10, 2010 7:10 AM   in reply to hillrg

    It would be helpful to have a confirmation that the D3s profiles are already "optimized". Thanks!

     

    Jeff

     
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    Apr 16, 2010 3:06 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    I feel silly asking this, but I am using Vista and I don't have a file called ProgramData

    , and for that matter I can't even find one called Camera Raw.  That being said, if I go through adobe labs I have no proble

    m istalling their camera profiles, so I am sure there is a place for yours to go.  Do you have any other suggestions

    on a way to install there files?  I am so frustrated with my D700's NEF files.

     
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    Apr 16, 2010 6:30 PM   in reply to skphotoimages99

    In the windows explorer, under the folder options > view: make sure you have "show hidden files, folders and drives" checked.

     
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    Apr 18, 2010 11:47 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    I hope that this update to the D3/D700 Nikon Camera profiles will eventually flow through to other Nikon models.  I have very noticable

    cyan/magenta banding in some raw images from my D90 camera when Camera profiles are applied, such as Camera Standard.  This banding reduces significantly when I apply the Adobe Standard profile, but doesn't elimate it completely.

     

    Tony

     
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    Apr 27, 2010 3:01 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Eric,

     

    Thank you so much for taking action on this! It must be a daunting task to maintain, update and add to the camera profile list and therefore we all do appreciate your work!

     

    Another profile that caught my eye since quite some time is the Canon 5D Mark II Standard profile. In contrary to the camera's behavior (or that of DPP) this profile renders images in warm light and with low exposure not very well. Especially with skin tones this shows up negatively.

     

    Thanks for listening!

    Thomas

     
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    May 13, 2010 11:52 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Eric outstanding job on these. Just downloaded these profiles and compared them to the profiles that were in Camera Raw 6.

    These profiles are much better than the default profiles in Camera Raw 6, much less banding and much better neutrals.

     

    Now if you could just create a set of profiles that would match the colors and curve that Capture One Pro 5 produces

    I'd pay good money for that.

     

    Lance

     
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    May 14, 2010 6:20 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Eric, any plans to produce these for the D3X?  Thanks.

     
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    May 16, 2010 3:13 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Hi Eric

    It's my birthday today and you've just sent me an unexpected but very welcome present!

     

    I don't post much on this forum but thought I'd make the effort to thank you for the hard work and effort you've put into improving this - and other - areas of Camera Raw. I've been working with Photoshop since it's first release here in the UK and have been shooting Nikons about as long. Since the change to digital I've always felt that the Adobe conversions - in Lightroom and Camera Raw - didn't quite give the quality I was getting from NX and NX2.

    With the updates to the Camera Raw engine and the new camera profiles - which I presume is replicated in the Lightroom 3 v2 beta that I've been testing - the quality has come on leaps and bounds, so much so that I'm seriously considering moving the majority of my work over to Lightroom 3 when it's released but certainly to Camera Raw in the short to mid-term.

    I'll get on with some more serious testing later this week but just thought I drop by and leave a token of my appreciation.

     

    Keep up the good work!

    Jason

    Replica Imaging Limited - UK

    www.replica-imaging.co.uk

     
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    May 21, 2010 10:26 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Confused as to which are the latest versions of these profiles.  Are the profiles listed as the download "v.2 beta" updated profile with files dated March 10, 2010 intended to supercede the profiles included in the Camera Raw update 5.7 with file dates of April 7, 2010,  are they the same as those with the most recent Raw update, or what?

     
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    May 24, 2010 10:15 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    MadManChan2000 wrote:

     

    The goal is simply to produce the same rendition that NX produces (whether good or bad, natural or not) -- and hopefully artifact-free. To be clear: The original feature request was, "Please give us colors similar to the camera maker's colors."

     

    Eric, thanks very much for the work you've done on these profiles. After working on my own custom camera profiles, I know how much work this takes. So thanks again for the noticeably improved results.

     

    Quick question for you: The following website has some sample images that seem to demonstrate some weaknesses in the way Lightroom produces almost banding-like artifacts when rendering color gradients or defocused areas of color (I see his happen, for example, if there are out-of-focus flowers in the background of wedding images (usually deep reds and deep purples are the worst culprits).

     

    See near the bottom of this page:

    http://ishootshows.com/2010/01/22/lightroom-3-vs-nikon-capture-nx-2/

     

     

    So my other question is: Is this more a function of better calibrating and tweaking for the color table within the DNG Profile Editor? Or is it more a function of tweaking the Tone Cuve?

     

    Thanks!

     
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    Jun 9, 2010 1:45 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    When are these going "Gold"? (shipping)

     

    Carsten

     
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    Jun 9, 2010 6:09 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    These profiles are very close to the in camera JPG.  Perfect! 

     
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    Jun 11, 2010 8:01 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Would it be possible to get an updated profile for a D300 as good quality as these?

     
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    Jun 11, 2010 3:28 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Really dumb question here, but in my Camera Profiles folder I've got folders named 'Camera', 'Camera beta 1', 'Camera beta 2', and now 'Camera v2 beta'. How do I know which camera profiles are being used in LR3?

     
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    Jun 11, 2010 5:07 PM   in reply to vws51

    Not a dumb question.

     

    In the LR3 Develop Module, scroll down to Camera Calibration.  The second setting down is Profile and it is a dropdown list from which you can choose which profile you want to use.

     

    The question I have is which of the profiles is the most recent?  For example, I show Camera Portrait, Camera Portrait beta 1 and Camera Portrait v2 (for the Nikon D3).  It's the same assortment of choices for Landscape, Natural, Standard and Vivid.  Am I correct that v2 is the most recent version of each set of profiles?

     

    John

     
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    Jun 12, 2010 6:12 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Thanks, Eric.  Your quick reply and the great profiles are much appreciated.

     

    John

     
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    Jun 24, 2010 8:58 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    I put the two folders "Nikon D700" and Nikon D3 inside the CameraProfiles folder (Mac - 10.5) and also put the Camera v2 beta folder in there as well (first) but LR3 under Camera Calibration/Profile all is see is "Embedded." Any sugestions?

    thanks much.

    D.

     
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    Jun 24, 2010 10:56 PM   in reply to DHayMil

    You're using JPEGs.

     
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    Jun 25, 2010 12:05 AM   in reply to DHayMil

    DHayMil wrote:

     

    all is see is "Embedded." Any sugestions?

    What Dorin said.

     

    Camera profiles are used for converting raw images, so you need to be working on your raw files, not files which have already been converted.

     
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    Jun 25, 2010 5:51 AM   in reply to Yammer

    Ah, sorry. I had the NEF and the JPEG next to each other and picked the wrong one.

    Thanks again.

    D.

     
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