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Validator not working in CS5

May 6, 2010 8:30 AM

Hi everyone,

 

I just installed CS5 (was previously using CS4) and I'm having trouble getting the Validator (in the results tools) to allow me to scan a html page for code errors.  Is there something I need to turn on or change to make it work?  The "validate current document" option is greyed out and I love using that tool.  Someone please help!!!  Thanks

 
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    May 6, 2010 9:33 AM   in reply to hmhamed

    The validation tool in DW was never top notch. You get more accurate results with the W3C tools.

     

    Code Validation Tools
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    CSS - http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
    HTML - http://validator.w3.org/

     

    Web Developer Toolbar for Firefox
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    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60

     

     

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    May 6, 2010 4:07 PM   in reply to hmhamed

    The same problem here: I installed the trial version of Dreamweaver CS5 while having Dreamweaver CS4 still installed. At first, the validation panel in DW CS5 did work but after a short time stopped working and even deleting the personal configuration folder did not help.Seems to be a bug.


    Greets Michael

     
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    May 7, 2010 6:24 AM   in reply to hmhamed

    Hi,

     

    the validation is only for XML and not longer for HTML.

     

    Regards,

    Ignacio

     
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    May 7, 2010 10:59 AM   in reply to hmhamed

    I'll try this one, but before want to kow if this valides on google.

     

    Thanks

     

    Reinaldo Silva

    http://www.otimizacaodesites.org

    Brazil

     
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    May 7, 2010 3:58 PM   in reply to hmhamed

    Why have a button that does not work? This is confusing. So how do you validate Xhtml ? I am aware of the 'clean up' command but if you are missing a tag it can put in a bunch of other tags on clean up. Also the clean up doesn't tell you what it has done.

     

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    May 15, 2010 10:40 AM   in reply to hmhamed

    It doesn't seem plausible that a validation tool in a web authoring app only works for XML. If that's true, then it ought to, at least, work on XHTML, but it doesn't. And, while it's true the Dreamweaver validator wasn't great, it was a convenient first step that usually caught my most egregious markup errors. I miss it.

     
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    May 15, 2010 8:14 PM   in reply to dreptile

    It is true; the validator in CS5 has been limited and no longer validates html. I liked some of the old functionality, too, but W3C was always better.

     

    Always use the W3C validator tool: http://validator.w3.org/ You can validate html, CSS, either online or by pasting in code. It works great, quickly, and easily.

     

    Beth

     
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    May 16, 2010 12:38 PM   in reply to Zabeth69

    This is a real irritation when working offline....

     

    ...and when you click on the validator options in preferences, it still provides a list of doctypes including various htmls to validate against by default if there's no declaration in the document you're checking.....

     

    Smells more like a bug than a deliberate absence......

     
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    May 16, 2010 12:47 PM   in reply to -_Simon_-

    I hear you. I think it could have been better implemented; if it doesn't validate HTML, etc., it should not have them in the list.

     

    And for offline validating, I'm not sure there are tools for that. A quick Google search turned this up: http://arealvalidator.com/

     

    I have not used it, and you're right, it's a shame you have to go and download a validator. But if you're seriously validating for the web, I would still stick with the W3C online validation. If the old DW validator was so not good, why should I trust the validation offered by A Real Validator (see my link), which is dated 2007...three years ago, which is even before DW CS4 was released!

     

    My opinion.

     

    Beth

     
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    May 16, 2010 12:55 PM   in reply to -_Simon_-

    It seems you're right Beth, checking the docs, local validation is a deliberate omission....

     

    The validator preferrences are there for compatibility with validator extensions like CSE Pro - it looks very good but costs another $120-odd.

     

    Big fail on this Adobe - given the ever-constant criticism DW gets for churning out grotty code by the mile, it should be validating output by default.

     
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    May 16, 2010 12:56 PM   in reply to -_Simon_-

    This is a real irritation when working offline....

     

    Get The HTML Validator (Tidy) add-on for Firefox -

    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/249/?advancedsearch=1

     

     

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    May 16, 2010 1:08 PM   in reply to -_Simon_-

    I differ with the grotty code comment...it's only as grotty as you allow it to be...

     

    Thanks, Nancy, for the word on the good offline validator...

     

    Beth

     
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    May 16, 2010 1:50 PM   in reply to -_Simon_-
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          given the ever-constant criticism DW gets for churning out grotty code by the mile


    Careful with the mudslinging. That's not DW's reputation at all - quite the opposite in fact. Since day 1, DW has been engineered to create clean, high quality code albeit occasionally a little more bloated than necessary to cover all angles. Can you provide reproducible grotty code examples which are not user created?

     
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    May 16, 2010 2:29 PM   in reply to John Waller

    Sorry, but a LOT of people criticise DW, IME for most standards-orientated folk its probably the default setting.

     

    Sure it's output is the user's fault ultimately, but its hard to argue that validating output would help to mitigate user error. A lot clients I work with have folk using DW who never stray from design view and see it essentially as word processing for the Web  - I'm pretty sure they are at least part of Adobe's target market.

     

    ....removing local validation instead of improving it sends quite a strong message IMO.

     
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    May 16, 2010 3:00 PM   in reply to -_Simon_-

    Fair enough Simon. DW is not perfect and I have my issues with DW too, esp Adobe's poor approach to patch management.

     

    However, clean code to me is one of DW's strengths.

     

    Adobe never removes features lightly and I'm certain that extensive research was done to establish that few people were using DW's in-built validator - or at least not enough to warrant improving it.

     

    I have never used it. I'm sure others use it regularly. But given the W3C validator is the standard by which most people benchmark their code, I think Adobe is wiser to drop a weak validation feature in DW than spend engineering hours getting it at least equal to the existing W3C validator.

     
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    May 16, 2010 3:37 PM   in reply to -_Simon_-

    -_Simon_- wrote:

     

    Sorry, but a LOT of people criticise DW, IME for most standards-orientated folk its probably the default setting.

     

    Sure it's output is the user's fault ultimately, but its hard to argue that validating output would help to mitigate user error. A lot clients I work with have folk using DW who never stray from design view and see it essentially as word processing for the Web  - I'm pretty sure they are at least part of Adobe's target market.

     

    ....removing local validation instead of improving it sends quite a strong message IMO.

    Simon, I have to agree with you that a lot of users use the Design View a lot and moving to Live View is a slow change.  That's one of my largest complaints with the Widget Browser, Spry Menu Bar and Tabbed Panels v.2.0 running on Spry 1.7 framework.  They are using Javascript to make the new versions of those Widgets work and thus design view almost becomes obsolete.  It does not make things easier for the new users when the old Spry widgets and competitors widgets render in Design View.

     

    With regard to the validation, I have to admit that the only time I ever used it was for the Outlook 2007 validator but after awhile I just came to the realization to only use tables without backgrounds for emails.  Eventually that feature had to be updated or removed.  They *could* have linked to the W3C validator in some way, shape or form, which would have been the best way to go, but as someone pointed out in this post, if you were working offline that would not be an option.  But in all honestly how often are we really working offline?  If the power goes out and I work on my laptop for a few minutes it might serve a purpose, but even traveling I think the consensus would be that most users are connected to the internet.

     
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    May 16, 2010 7:15 PM   in reply to SnakEyez02

    >But in all honestly how often are we really working offline?

     

    So far once in 5 days which is when I noticed. I just fired up PhpED and used that instead, my point wasn't that there aren't plenty of alternatives, rather that checking the validity of html/css is a pretty basic requirement in an html/css editor. Didn't realise that would be such a contentious proposition!

     
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    May 18, 2010 7:03 PM   in reply to hmhamed

    I can appreciate the comments concerning using W3C for accuracy, but the validator was very convenient and fast for finding basic structural problems. What I don't understand is if this functionality has been omitted then why include "clean up HTML" under the command menu. I used this couple of times and it does not tell you what it has done after clean up. When I painlessly searched to see what it had done, I found that it had changed the code to make it error free but it did not work the way it should. There were some additional tags put in but this was not the proper fix. DW should omit this function too or include both in my opinion.

     
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    May 19, 2010 4:03 PM   in reply to hmhamed

    I too am very disappointed that Adobe removed the validator tool. It worked great to find extra <div> tags or others that weren't nested properly. Now, we have a button, but it's just greyed out.

     

    There is no reason for this feature to be removed. I'll repeat that is EXTREMELY inconvenient and time-consuming to use 3rd party or online sites like W3 (regardless of if it's more thorough). Creative Suite goes 2 steps forward, 1 step back... Step it up Adobe. Macromedia wouldn't have let DW development go stagnant. <sigh>...</sigh>

     
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    May 20, 2010 8:43 PM   in reply to hmhamed

    No matter how many people agree with you here in the Forum, this is a user to user Forum, and it is not frequented so much by Adobe. I'm not an Adobe employee, either.

     

    If you feel strongly about a feature that you would like to see (put back) in Dreamweaver, submit a bug report/feature request. https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

     

    Beth

     
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    May 20, 2010 9:20 PM   in reply to Zabeth69

    Have done that already Beth. Here's hoping that Adobe listens. Everyone that feels the same way - please submit the request.

     

    Also, even though this is Adobe's community forums, they're hosted here so that Adobe can monitor what everyone is saying. I'm not sure how you would know that Adobe doesn't watch these forums closely (though they may not post much). For their own sake, I hope they do.

     
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    Jun 1, 2010 7:43 AM   in reply to hmhamed

    I can't believe no one at Adobe sees the lack of an html  validation tool in a web development app as anything other than a  failure to deliver simple, basic fuctionality. Their response to this lack of  what should be seen as basic functionality (use someone else's  validation tool, i.e. W3C) is also unbelievable. It's as if the Photoshop team left out the jpeg encoding function and required you to go to a website in order to save your images as jpegs. Basic functionality.

     

    I've read that the reason they decided not to  include html validation is that the existing tool was buggy and  inaccurate. So, fixing it was never an option? Heck, Adobe could have  lifted the validation tool from GoLive CS1, for pete's  sake, and had a good, easy-to-use, and accurate html validator. Instead,  we have this crippled product and an inconvenient, kludgy workaround. Very disappointing.

     
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    Jun 1, 2010 12:57 PM   in reply to hmhamed

    I'm having the same probelm.  It looks like it is deprecated.  Why  would a major HTML editor not have an HTML validator in it?  This is the last time we will be buying DreamWeaver unless we get ithe validator back in a patch.  We work behind a firewall.  There's no way we can send our HTML to an outside URL and get a response.  Now what?  $400 for nothing.

     
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    Jun 4, 2010 1:18 PM   in reply to -_Simon_-
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         validator extensions like CSE Pro - it looks very good but costs another $120-odd.

    http://www.htmlvalidator.com/professional/http://www.htmlvalidator.com/

     

    I am very impressed with CSE HTML Validator -- FYI CSE HTML Validator Standard costs $70 wheras the Pro version costs 130

     
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    Jun 5, 2010 9:52 AM   in reply to DavidMozer

    I use CSE Pro all the time -- have for years.  And I highly recommend it.  I

    suspect that Standard is all most of us need.  BUT... as I'm coding along, I

    use the validator in DreamWeaver.  When it's time to get everything cleaned

    up at the end I start using CSE Pro.  Or, if the page is dorky and the

    DreamWeaver validator isn't telling me what is wrong, I switch to CSE Pro.

    Sometimes it gives me more information and shows me what is wrong; sometimes

    it doesn’t.

     

    There's still no excuse for a $400 HTML coder not to have a built in

    validator.  That's the bottom line.  And I'm hearing people say they might

    not procure it.  CS4 still has a validator in it and maybe that's where they

    will stay.

     

    Shame on you, Adobe!

     
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    Jun 6, 2010 9:22 AM   in reply to hmhamed

    I just installed CS5 (was previously using CS4) and I'm having trouble getting the Validator (in the results tools) to allow me to scan a html page for code errors.  Is there something I need to turn on or change to make it work?  The "validate current document" option is greyed out and I love using that tool.  Someone please help!!!  Thanks

     

    The Validator will no longer be developed, but the CS4 functionality can be installed as an extension. Until this extension get uploaded to the Exchange, you can download it from here:

     

    http://redmunds.host.adobe.com/extensions/dw/validatorDWCS5.zxp

     

    Note that all of the data used by the Validator is stored in .vtv files (XML format) in the Configuration/TagLibraries/Validator folder, so you are free to update this data as necessary.

     

    Regards,

     

    Randy Edmunds

    Dreamweaver Development

    Adobe Systems, Inc.

     
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    Jun 6, 2010 9:40 AM   in reply to Randy Edmunds

    Thanks for the update and link, Randy.

    Might you be able to explain the thinking that went into Adobe removing and halting development of the validator in DW?

     
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    Jun 6, 2010 9:41 AM   in reply to DavidMozer

    I've been using the CSE HTML Validator for many years and think it is the best - it catches many more errors than the W3C checker does and is totally configurable. However, there hasn't been a working extension to run this through Dreamweaver since Dreamweaver 4.

     

    Is there anyone else using this that has the ability to write an extension for Dreamweaver? Ideally the currently open page could be validated with the results returned to Dreamweaver validation window so we could click to jump directly to lines with errors.

     
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    Jun 6, 2010 9:50 AM   in reply to The Real Thorzdad

    Might you be able to explain the thinking that went into Adobe removing and halting development of the validator in DW?

     

    The overwhelming majority of users that we have talked to prefer and use the W3C Validator.

     

    Randy

     
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    Jun 6, 2010 1:01 PM   in reply to Randy Edmunds
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    Randy Edmunds

    Note that all of the data used by the Validator is stored in .vtv files (XML format) in the Configuration/TagLibraries/Validator folder, so you are free to update this data as necessary.

    Thank you very much for the link and information -- I was delighted to be able to get my DW-CS5 Validator working. BTW, I and many like me like to validate locally regardless of the type of site being worked on [static/dynamic].

     
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    Jun 6, 2010 3:34 PM   in reply to Randy Edmunds

    Thanks Randy for the validator extension... that's a life saver. Within just the last few days alone, I can't tell you how much time I've wasted soley because the validator desn't work. I had to use W3 in the interm, but the development process is ridiculously slow and the site does an abosolutely TERRIBLE job explaining locations of errors. With DW, this is not a problem.

     

    As an extremely-long time user of DW (since way back in the Macromedia days) have to say that I wish I was one of those developers that you talked to. To me it seems like such a tiny bit of work keeping an invaluable time-saver integrated within DW working. I am grateful that I can at least use the extension, but seriously, would it kill you guys to keep the validator tool supported? I think not. Extension aside, to pay $800-1300 for software that doesn't even have this basic functionality is disappointing.

     
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    Jun 8, 2010 1:05 PM   in reply to hmhamed

    Hello,

     

    I'm the developer of CSE HTML Validator. There is actually a BETA version that can be used for free until August 1, 2010, so this is great for anyone who wants to try it out. You can download it here:

    http://www.htmlvalidator.com/beta

     

    I'd also be happy to work with anyone on a Dreamweaver extension to better support CSE HTML Validator. Please contact me if you are interested in working on this and have experience with Dreamweaver extensions. I do not have or use Dreamweaver but would eventually like to have an extension that makes it easy to use CSE HTML Validator from within Dreamweaver.

     
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    Jun 8, 2010 2:32 PM   in reply to HTMLValidator.com

    Hi,

     

    I guess you know already, but Tomohiro Ueki  developed an Extension which allows files to be passed to CSE HTML Validator Pro via the Sites|Reports menu in Dreamweaver - this would cut out a few steps, allows multiple files to be checked in a single operation, but I haven't managed to get it working with the beta version you mention.

     

    Details on the extension here:

     

    http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm?event=extensionDetail& extid=328922

     

    It would be great to see the CSE Validator integrated into the workflow as has been achieved in PhpEd, even greater if Adobe pick up the tab for this as NuSphere do.....

     

    Simon

     
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    Jun 8, 2010 2:47 PM   in reply to -_Simon_-

    That's the extension I referred to in an earlier post in this thread. I didn't bother naming or linking to it since it's obsolete. It has not been compatible with Dreamweaver since version 4. That was back in 2001.

     
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    Jun 8, 2010 3:09 PM   in reply to lkupersmith

    It would be great to have an updated CSE HTML Validator extension that works with CS4 and CS5. I would be happy to assist development on the CSE HTML Validator side, but I would need to work with someone who knows Dreamweaver extensions for the Dreamweaver side. If anyone is interested in this or knows someone who might be, then please let me know and I will get in touch with them! Hopefully something simple but effective would be easy to do.

     
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    Jun 8, 2010 3:25 PM   in reply to lkupersmith

    It installs fine on CS5 and finds the various paths, imports profiles etc correctly, I think its just that it was written for a much earlier version of CSE.

     
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