Oh, I see. I still think it would be good to be able to see you crop and bleeds in the document even if it is outside the document area and so it will be easier for users to understand that if they want it to print they will have to specify a page size larger then the document.

I think being able to see it extended beyond the document size ill do this for most users.

It does do that but it should not show the bleeds as a part of the document it should the document size should be differentiated from the bleed and crop and printer marks area.

You should be able to turn them off for better review purpose with clients and the thing that Acrobat does automatically is to fit the document to the paper size. This I think is a mistake as the ordinary user might not understand what is happening.

If you want to print the document at a 100% it has to go on a paper and to a print that prints documents of a larger size.

It should be clearer as we have reach a point in time where there are most users who have no old world experience with the printing press and plate making so many will not get this true once pointed out it will appear to them as a no brainer.

Also with Acrobat becoming a presentation and conferencing tool for client review in a very live way the ability to turn the bleeds and marks off with a click is very necessary especially hen you have a dead head executive on the other end saying that they never approved that design feature. You can then just click hide the crops or pint out that those marks are outside the documents page size and won't print.

No matter how much sense it makes to you and me because we are very experience with this there will always be people outside our profession that will have a hard time with this and many within our profession as well.

I was aware this was finally included in CS4 but I think it can be improved admittedly you can send a copy of the pdf without bleeds and marks. But you have no control over what they might do on the other side and i have seen some pretty stupid things.

In th old days you know the account exec would come into the art dept and pick the comp off of your drawing table and take his finger and run it over the art and ask is this wet?

I guess I don't have to tell anyone the answer to that question.

yes you are missing something to the right of the bleed settings are Show Marks options, check that and then select Trim Marks.

Specifying bleed is one thing directing Illustrator to also show the trim marks re two different things, there may be reasons to show the bleed and not the trim marks (crop marks)

They are actually trim marks even though most of us cal them crop marks.

You should be fine now.

Oh you don't want an artboard you want two cropped areas so you can print two up.

Make to rectangles as you did before go to Effects>Crop Marks.

If you want to change anything about the crop marks since they are an effect Expand the Appearance and turn them into real art. And Voila!

All fixed!

Nothing has really changed.

You're welcome and it i better I think this way. use the artboards for sizing art documents nd trimming with trim marks use crop marks as crop marks.

have a great day.

Dario

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Do you want define an artboard which will have trim marks if you wish it to?