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CS5 First Impressions

Jun 3, 2010 8:48 PM

Computer I built is listed on my notes page http://www.pacifier.com/~jtsmith/ADOBE.HTM

 

Since I work for a University, I ordered the Education version of Master Collection... and Adobe seems to have their registration problem(s) fixed, since it took about 5 seconds for my Serial# to show up once I clicked the last button on the "proof" site, and all necessary numbers came back to me (I won't need them, but numbers for PPro CS4 were included, since that is included for someone buying all this without a 64bit computer)

 

I first made an image of my drive with http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-linux.htm and then put the 1st DVD in the drive

 

I had debated on what to NOT install, then decided to just install everything, in case I ever want to use one of the programs (have not, yet, installed Acrobat, since that is on a different disc and with a different Serial#)

 

Installing everything from the 2 DVDs took just over an hour... then a few minutes more to install the 5.0.1 update I had already downloaded

 

At first start, and first project, I selected AVCHD 1080i30 (60i) square pixels, which is 16:9 interlaced 29.97fps 48khz audio (which is, as far as I know right now, what my Canon Vixia HFS100 produces at the setting I am using) and the default is upper field first

 

I only have 2 very short clips (been raining a lot and I'm not about to take a $1k setup out in the rain, and wife is a designer and won't let me film inside until she is "ready" for her work to show on screen) but they do load into the program and all 2 minutes plays properly

 

I dropped a simple transition between the clips and then, since my output is going to be DVD, I exported to AVI just to see what the result would look like

 

When I use a DV preset there are THICK black bars on top and bottom, but the full width

 

When I use a DV Widescreen preset the output preview fills from top-to-bottom and with narrow black bars on either side

 

It's clear I need to do a LOT of reading to figure out how to get the output video to completely fill a Widescreen screen... if that is possible

 

Anyway... exported to DV and played back in Win Media Player... which is MUCH better than any of the video that I ever produced from my old DV tape camcorder

 

I was hoping that starting from HD and down-rezing to SD would produce a better SD... and it does seem to work as I hoped

 

Next step will be to do some more recording (and a lot more reading) and then give an AVI to Encore and author a quick DVD... seeing how the final product looks when played on a TV is going to be the real proof

 

Did I mention that I need to do a lot of reading?

 
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    Jun 3, 2010 9:03 PM   in reply to John T Smith

    Your post leaves a lot of open questions!

     

    Start with...why do you want to shoot HD for a SD output?

     

    Use an HD preset that matches your camera first ( that eliminates the "bars")

     

     

    BTW Part I: seems a long time to install.

     

    I installed from a download file and t was all over in about 10-15 minutes.  Easiest ever and issue free.  (Maybe DVD file speed)

     

    Reading is good if you are new to PPRO.

     

    BTW part II: Tell your wife to not be so fussy. Shoot what you want.  You live there as well ( I assume)

     
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    Jun 4, 2010 9:27 AM   in reply to John T Smith

    John T.,

     

    First thought is that you are using 1920x1080 PAR = 1.0 and are going to a DV 720x480 PAR = 1.212 output. It might be that you'll need to Scale by something like 101 - 102%.

     

    There is also a recent thread on the "thin black lines," and I seem to recall Jeff Bellune commenting on those. I just do not recall those comments.

     

    Good luck, and please keep the reports coming.

     

    Hunt

     
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    Jun 4, 2010 9:29 AM   in reply to John T Smith

    When I use a DV Widescreen preset the output preview fills from top-to-bottom and with narrow black bars on either side

     

    It's clear I need to do a LOT of reading to figure out how to get the output video to completely fill a Widescreen screen... if that is possible

    Yep, it's possible. Just crop off either 8 or 12 pixels from the top and bottom in the Source tab of the Export window, and be sure Scale to Fit is selected in the Output tab. I'm not sure if it'll be 8 or 12 pixels, so start with one and if that doesn't fill the frame, try the other.

     
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    Jun 17, 2010 4:48 PM   in reply to Colin Brougham

    8 on the top and 8 on the bottom to reduce it to 704 x 480 / 576.

     
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    Jun 4, 2010 11:52 AM   in reply to shooternz

    shooternz wrote:

     

    BTW part II: Tell your wife to not be so fussy. Shoot what you want.  You live there as well ( I assume)

     

    You must not have a wife

     
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    Jun 4, 2010 12:08 PM   in reply to jeremy d.

     
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    Jun 4, 2010 12:51 PM   in reply to John T Smith

    John,

     

    For the vast majority of my Projects, En's Auto Transcode works just fine for me. I seldom bother with bit-budgeting, unless i start bumping against space limitations, or have rapid motion.

     

    Good luck,

     

    Hunt

     

    PS - I also understand having a wife. As you have referenced, "she, who must not be ignored... "

     
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    Jun 4, 2010 2:09 PM   in reply to John T Smith

    And, before anyone says anything, my chosen work flow is to export AVI and then let Encore take care of the encoding to MPG to create the DVD... I just really don't care to get into all the bit settings needed to export from PPro to MPG... Encore uses the same coding engine, and just letting it chose the settings has always worked for me

    Totally acceptable workflow, but there's no need to export an intermediate AVI. Just use the File > Adobe Dynamic Link > Send to Encore command and your sequence will be sent to Encore. When you go to build your DVD, Encore will transcode the DL'ed sequence as if it were an intermediate AVI.

     
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    Jun 4, 2010 2:15 PM   in reply to John T Smith

    Don't export HD content to avi and then to dvd. Bad idea, this will cost you quality. HD is not DV.

    Export directly to mpeg2-dvd either in Premiere or Encore. If you want to use Encore for encoding use Dynamic Link and use default settings but make sure the field order is upper.

    Dont crop off the black bars on the side due to the way it is scaled down.

    Just leave it, you'll get used to it.

    Have fun.

     
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    Jun 4, 2010 2:17 PM   in reply to jeremy d.

    shooternz wrote:

     

    BTW part II: Tell your wife to not be so fussy. Shoot what you want.  You live there as well ( I assume)

     

    You must not have a wife

     

     

     

    I didnt say that I would actually take my own advice... but it was easy to tell John T Smith to do so.

     
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    Jun 4, 2010 2:42 PM   in reply to shooternz

    Graig,

     

    Do you know the definition of marriage?

     

    It is an effort of two people to solve those problems they never would have had, had they stayed single...

     
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    Jun 4, 2010 3:47 PM   in reply to shooternz

    Craig,

     

    Now you're gonna' get poor John T. hurt. We'll find his bloody, battered body behind the dusty plastic plant in the Lounge with a note: "This can happen to you too!" signed The Wives.

     

    Hunt

     
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    Jun 17, 2010 4:41 PM   in reply to John T Smith

    John

     

    I am interested to know how smooth the video looks when you edit on Premiere Pro.
    Last year I put CS4 on a new Dell and as I fast forwarded and jogged through the video it hesitated and was jerky.

    I had to regress back from CS4.1 to CS4.0 to get a smooth fast forward.

    I hope that when I fire up Premiere Pro CS5 on my new PC that you designed there will be no hesitation or jerky look as I fast forward through the video.

     

    Thanks

     
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    Jun 18, 2010 8:01 AM   in reply to John T Smith

    John, a rain slicker is a very useful accessory. Look at Porta Brace for a good one.

     
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    Aug 7, 2010 2:45 PM   in reply to John T Smith

    In the case of Sony AVCHD, I can import directly from the card to PPro, but I lose the metadata and the Sony file naming (which is useful to me because it includes the date each clip was shot). Also, when I import directly from the card, the filenaming is not unique- just simple sequences- 001, 002, 003... For me, that could create some confusion as clips accumulate

    Consequently, I usually import with the Sony software.

     
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    Aug 7, 2010 2:52 PM   in reply to Jeff Bellune

    Jeff,

     

    I hopeyou are right, as the old 5 year old Premiere Pro 1.5.1 HDV is working very well., and has in the 3.2GHZ machine, but, now in the Quad Core even better.So,I may take the plunge shortly, it seems a lot are having troubles.? So, Premiere Pro CS5 is on the horizon. I went to an Adobe Seminar in Brisbane, Australia, about 2 months ago, and only about a dozen of 1,000 attendees had it installed ???????????????.REGARDS,

     
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    Aug 7, 2010 4:01 PM   in reply to Kona Bob

    I'd recommend transferring the media as it is structured on your SDHC card onto your harddrive into

    folders you label by date, or whatever is meaningful to you.  As others have said, there is a ton of information included in the files you are leaving behind, and you may want that info some day.  Also, it's far less messing around to dive way in and extract the MTS files.

     

    I transfer the whole folder, then import it as a folder into PPro CS5, it leaves behind what it doesn't recognize (and "warns" you about it...unnecessary drama) and it's all in a bin ready to rock.

     

    As far as workflow, I don't care what you want to output to...editing the footage on a sequence with settings that are made for it will be much smoother.

     

    In Encore, simply import your PPro sequence (no export necessary) and then author...done.

     

     

     

    I've done it on a PC with ProRes even...  http://tv.adobe.com/watch/digital-video/production-premium-cs4-creatin g-an-event-dvd

     

     

    Easy.

     
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