I am looking for help/commiseration with a problem I have been continuously since buying CS5/Illustrator. Our company had its logo designed by another firm, and it has been my job to use it in brochures and marketing collateral. The logo uses a two instances of a radial gradient applied to two separate elements of the logo. The gradients are off-center. However, when I place the file into a document, save, close and re-open, boom! the gradient is reset to center, throwing off the logo. This has happened when I have least expected it, and even resulted in a very expensive reprint. Does anyone else have issues with this? Any ideas for a work around?
I have converted the file to different formats: EPS, JPEG and PDF, but with the first, there is a loss of image quality, and with PDF, the gradient still moves out of place. Any comments/help are appreciated! I am going to print again soon and want to find a permanent solution!
Thanks in advance,
Until a permanent solution is found, you may create a copy for printing and for each path with a gradient:
1) Object>Expand>Expand Gradient To>Specify and insert a sufficient number of Objects to avoid banding;
to check it, you can (having created another object before and after expanding, see why below):
2) Zoom in and use Ctrl/Cmd+Z and Ctrl/Cmd+Shift+Z, both of them twice (to have the other objects selected so you can see the actual appearance), to go back and forth and compare.
Hi thnaks for your reply. I hope you can see here what I am talking about.
This is incorrect;
This is the way it is supposed to be:
The problem happens after closing and when the file is reopened. I have saved in many formats; AI, EPS and PDF. AI and PDF reset (even when making sure the PDF is not editable), and EPS loses image quality. JPEG and PNG lose image quality too of course.
You are welcome, Junji.
Another way, rather silly unless under the circumstances, would be to use Clipping Masks; obviously, this should be done to a copy of the artwork:
For each part with a gradient you may:
1) Create a circle, below the shape in the stacking order (you can move it in the Layers palette/panel) with a normal centred Radial gradient placed and sized so that the gradient fits across the shape (you can see it directly and change between visible and invisible shape (the Eye button));
2) Select both and Object>Clipping Mask>Make.
I hope you will report your findings.
And I hope a permanent solution is found soon.
Edit: Have you tried resetting the preferences?
You may Ctrl+Alt+Shift/Cmd+Option+Shift as you wake up Illy, or Move the folder.
You could also try the Other options to see whether something disturbs Illy in her work.
I am not certain what is going o with your artwork but I made a similar art using the Pathfinder divide filter and ungrouped and applied the gradients to eah object then grouped the objects and opening and closing the object has no effect on the gradient I did try to group first but ended up with more gradients then desired which is a different problem.
By applying two gradients to two of the three shapes gives me the desired effect and it is stable so you might want take that route as well.
This is after reopening it If you want the file to see for yourself you are welcome to it.
Opacity mask work as well but that is extra work
Dear Mr. Brugge,
I looked at your suggestions on creating clipping masks and thought this was promising. I followed your instructions, but still the same problem happens(!).
I should make it clear that the re-positioning does not happen in the original artwork. It happens when I place the artwork in another file (also Illustrator). When I place, save, close and then re-open the file, the gradients move, even with this clipping mask work.
I haven't tried resetting the preferences or moving the folder yet, but will soon.
By the way, I was recommended to create a JPEG from the original file, and this is fine as it doesn't move around (the gradients, I mean), but I am worried about a loss of quality especially when printing. Do you have any advice on this?
No matter what I try I cannot duplicate this problem you either have a corrupt preference or settings folder as i thik was previously suggested or there is something odd about the way you created the art.
This is how I created this version of the art
1 draw a circle path
2 with the pen tool draw an open one curved path to define the orange shape when combined with the circle.
3 while that path is selected and the circle path is not selected go to Object>Path>Divide Objects Below.
4 then do the same to define the other shapes using the Object>Path>Divide Objects Below.
5 define your gradients but not as fills but instead as swatches
6 select the two object that require gradient fills one at a time and fill the with the appropriate gradient.
7 Select the gradient tool and redefine the gradient location
8 make the logo art into a symbol
9 save it
10 place it in a AI or ID document close it and open it and all should be fine.
Having done this I still do not think this is necessary unless you did something like grouped the shapes made them into compound path or compound shape with some other unnecessary command of some kind.
But the above will work.
This is the file opened and closed in ai even after a restart of the computer
After placing in anothe ai file and closing and opening
Here i in ID with closing and opening it again
So perhaps the swatch or the symbol or both will help you out. I would also redo the art as it only takes a minute or two.
Dear Mr. Zimmerman,
Many, many thanks for taking so much time on this. I will try your solution, but as I am approaching deadline, I have taken the following temporary work-around: I convert the original AI file to a 300 dpi EPS. This does not seem to move around upon opening/closing. As for how the artwork was created, I don"t have an answer for that. An outside design firm was responsible for this, and to be honest, I don't think they did such a great job. But this is what I have to work with, so...
UPDATE: I tired converting the circle group into a symbol, but this still shifts... I will investigate the preferences/settings issue.
Dear Mr. Brugge,
AHA! The expanding seems to have worked; I tested it by expanding the gradient on the red circle portion but not the lower portion, and then placed it in another document. Saving, closing and reopening the doc revealed that the lower portion had shifted, but not the upper! Thanks for this!
I will try a few more options and get back to you on whether this is a permanent solution (I think it is).
Thanks Mr. Brugge,
I agree that Illustrator shouldn't perform this way; I actually was unaware of this problem until it was too late, and 5000 brochures were printed. An expensive lesson to say the least.
And yes, Nishihata is my family name.