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Invisible flash frames in PE4

Aug 8, 2010 9:07 AM

In PE4, a flash frame -- an unwanted frame from an adjoining clip that's unintentionally left at the beginning or end of a clip -- may not be visible until the edited movie is burned to DVD and shown on a large screen. Even knowing where the flash frame is, you cannot see it in PE4 by clicking frame-by-frame across the cut in the Sceneline, or by fully expanding the Timeline. It's possible to get rid of the flash frame in PE4 by trimming a single frame first from one side of the cut, then from the other, and viewing the result, but again, it may necessary to burn the movie to DVD and watch it on a large screen to be sure it's gone. The simpler, and much faster, remedy is to trim a frame from each side of the cut -- but this means cutting two frames instead of one.

 

Is there a way to make these flash frames visible in PE4 so only the offending frame can be cut?

 

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    Aug 8, 2010 10:16 AM   in reply to jbcooke

    You do not have adequate Handles, and the Frames from the following Clip are being used. These graphics will explain more:

    Handles_01.jpg

    Handles_02.jpg

     

    Just adjust your Out Point (or In Point if coming from the Head of a Clip) by the number of Frames, that you are seeing.

     

    Good luck,

     

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    Aug 8, 2010 5:04 PM   in reply to jbcooke

    I'm not sure we're still visualizing what you're describing, jb.

     

    Can you post a screen capture of your timeline (zoomed in as close as possible) with an example?

     

    It's quite possible that what's you're seeing is a stray frame or two of video between two clips. If it's there, you should see it if you zoom in really close.

     

    These stray frames can happen when you add a clip too closely to another clip. The program thinks you're trying to insert a video into the clip and it snips a few frames off the end and sticks them after the new clip.

     

    As I've said, if this is the case, you should be able to see this clip in between two clips if you into the timeline.

     

    The only other thing I can think of is that you're seeing a stray frame that snuck in while you were capturing your video. But then you'd be able to see this frame if you double-clicked on the clip and played it in the Clip Monitor that pops open.

     

    How are you capturing this video and dividing it into scenes?

     
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    Aug 10, 2010 10:06 AM   in reply to jbcooke

    When you double-click on these clips and look at them in the Clip Monitor, are you seeing these extra frames?

     

    If so, it's related to your original telecine or maybe your capture of the video. (This is not a typical experience by any means, so it's likely related to the fact that you're working on an unusual project that has some potential for unusual behavior.)

     

    If not, then they're somewhere on the timeline. If you can't see them when you zoom in, they may have snuck in on an upper track. (Not likely though, if you can trim them away.)

     

    You haven't said what these are frames of and if they are from an adjacent clip on your videotape or something. But, if they are not and are pictures of people who don't know, your computer could be haunted.

     
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    Aug 10, 2010 3:07 PM   in reply to jbcooke
    They definitely are from an adjacent clip, attached to the end of the next clip even though I'm careful when making cuts.

     

    If they are coming from adjacent Clips, they are still most likely due to not having adequate Handles.

     

    As a test, remove all Transitions, so that you only have Butt-cuts. Export/Share that revised Timeline, and look for those "flash frames."

     

    Good luck,

     

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    Aug 16, 2010 9:50 AM   in reply to jbcooke

    You are correct, regarding "handles." In this case, it is the video-editing definition, that we are using - Handles.

     

    You do not need to actually Cut (Razor/Scissors Tool), but can just click-drag on the Head, or Tail of the Clips involved, to change the In and/or Out Points for those Clips.

     

    You are also correct, that if there are no Frames available, i.e. the Clip physically ends, then PrE will create still Frames from the last Frame, to provide the Handles.

     

    If there ARE additional Frames, regardless of whether they are from that "shot," or from another "shot," PrE will just use those. It makes the assumption that with the setting of the In & Out Points, adequate Handles have been provided, and does not realize that those necessary Frames are coming from what the users considers a totally different "shot."

     

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    Aug 16, 2010 1:04 PM   in reply to jbcooke

    I still think that I have not clearly stated the concept of Handles. Maybe this ARTICLE will shed more light on what happens, when one Cuts a Clip, or sets its In & Out Points.

     

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    Aug 21, 2010 10:35 AM   in reply to jbcooke

    Unfortunately, the ONLY way to do as you wish would be to make your Cuts (Razor or Scissors), and then to Export that edited Instance as a new file. You could then Import those resulting files into a new Project, and use them. There will be no Frames before the In Point, and none after the Out Point. Should you wish to ever add a Transition between two of these Clips, you will only have two choices: move the In & Out Points, as is necessary to create Handles, or let PrE create the still Frames to make up the Handles. Note: the latter method will lead to some oddities in the Transitions, and will probably not be what you want.

     

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