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Validator not working in CS5

May 6, 2010 8:30 AM

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    Jun 11, 2010 9:56 AM   in reply to -_Simon_-

    Doesn't work for me. Installs, but upon running the report I get the following error and it freezes Dreamweaver:

     

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    "A validator DLL error occurred.

     

    CSE HTML Validator Professional DLL error in function

    or function call for CSEGetInterger():

     

    bad handle."

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    From what I remember, this is the same error that started appearing as far back as Dreamweaver MX.

     

    What version of CSE HTML Validator are you using? I currently run v9.03.

     
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    Jun 11, 2010 12:51 PM   in reply to lkupersmith

    We are using 9.03 at work on XP and VISTA machines.  I'm using the 

    beta version at home on a Windows 7 machine.  They are all running OK.

     

     

    Quoting lkupersmith <forums@adobe.com>:

     

    Doesn't work for me. Installs, but upon running the report I get the 

    following error and it freezes Dreamweaver:

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    Jun 15, 2010 10:33 PM   in reply to hmhamed

     

    @dreptile: Agreed. The DW validator was a great first step.

     

    The number of times I've found validation errors using validator.w3.org, after using DW first, still probably numbers in the 10's - and I've been re-developing HTML for far too long.

     

    @Everyone: If it's gone, and there's no solution on the horizon, I realise I can go straight to the w3 for validation... but how about 'Validate selected files' and 'Validate entire local site'...? Does the w3 validator have anything like this? What am I missing? If not, then this is just plain cruel. This, coupled with Google Chrome's security feature which (at the minute) denies the Web Developer ext. the ability to validate local files... I'm nearly crying here.

     

    @Beth: Many thanks for that bug submission link - I shall fill it out appropriately.

     

    @Randy: Thanks also for that extension... have installed it on XPSP3, CS5 (obviously) and I can confirm that it brings back what I enjoy.

     

    @Adobe: You let me down in some bad ways, but you always make up for it. It's just that my poor fingers are getting older, and my boss tells me that inefficiency is not acceptable.

     

     

     
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    Jun 16, 2010 5:10 AM   in reply to Codefinger

    Adobe have released the Validator as an extension for Dreamweaver CS5 --- just as Randy had stated.

     

    [Validator extension for CS5 now available@http://forums.adobe.com/thread/661022?tstart=0]

    {message:id=661022}

     

    Message was edited by: DavidMozer

     
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    Jun 18, 2010 11:05 AM   in reply to hmhamed

    I found this annyoing as well. It might not be the best validator out there but it's convenient in the early stages of coding where you can spot those extra div's, tr's and typos. If this was abandoned because people prefere W3C validator, why not just incorporate this into DW? Going to seperate program/web page just to validate defeats the purpose of using Dreamweaver as a developer tool!

     
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    Jun 19, 2010 6:23 PM   in reply to fireshop

    Who wants W3C Validator? Yuk!  We want the old validator back.  So far the

    best way around it is to stay with cs4.  That's what my office is planning

    to do.

     
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    Jun 20, 2010 5:42 AM   in reply to dreaming-on

    You don't need to stay with CS4...install the validator extension that is mentioned a few times in previous posts (look up). It should restore the local Validator functionality.

     

    Beth

     
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    Sep 2, 2010 3:13 PM   in reply to Randy Edmunds

    Thank you very much for providing the extension.

     

    Like all the developers I know, I find the Dreamweaver validator very efficient to use often during development and then validate using W3C before final launch.

     

    I suggest Adobe consider changing their methodology for selecting their focus groups to insure they represent a better cross-section of their user base.

     

    Thanks again!

     
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    Sep 2, 2010 3:50 PM   in reply to casidougal

    I suggest Adobe consider changing their methodology for selecting their focus groups to insure they represent a better cross-section of their user base.

     

    You're welcome to make this suggestion to Adobe here - http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

     

    I have to say, though, that it was us who pushed Adobe to remove this because the DW validator was never as comprehensive or reliable as the W3 one.  The decision was to spend resources on extending/enhancing/correcting that built-in validator, or to spend them on other more important features (as it is always).  We pushed them to choose the former.  I would still do so.

     
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    Sep 2, 2010 6:42 PM   in reply to MurraySummers

    Understandable point of view Murray, and good on you and others for pushing rich feature development, though I will say that most people I know, or have read comments/posts/emails from wrt the DW validation tool are all of a similar mind; "It's a fantastic, convenient first step toward validation".

     

    We know it isn't comprehensive, we know it isn't 100% accurate, but it is useful, within the IDE, and picks up basic errors *while you're working on files*.

     

    Let's compare this "convenience feature" to something like Templates - I use them sometimes (when a website is manageable in size) because I can easily go through pages and re-apply them to a Template because, let's face it, Template updates don't always work. I can understand the trade-off between devoting time to improving the DW validation tool and fixing Template bugs. I can't understand the trade-off if it is forwards porting the DW validation tool to a new version of DW, but *not improving it*.

     

    Time vs Money vs Features.

     

    I wish it weren't an issue!

     
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    Sep 9, 2010 1:42 AM   in reply to hmhamed

     

    Hi all,

     

     

     

    The validator feature is now available as an extension from http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm?event=extensionDetail& extid=2188524 and its usage is similar as in earlier version of Dw CS4.

     

     

    ..Sarthak

     
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    Oct 9, 2010 6:04 AM   in reply to Sarthak Singhal

    May I humbly ask the DW folks and those who asked to have the validator on CS5 removed: what do you use for HTML validation on local files?

     

    I would ask that you bring back the validator on CS5 (yes the CS4 extension works) and support it, as you did in the past.  Dreamweaver is the go to editor for everyone.  Not just high-end developers who may have the expertise to get around this situation.  Dreamweaver is not only the Maserati of web design, it is also the Volkswagen, Chevrolet, Ford and Toyota for users who need this ability.

     

    I would think there are more of the "ordinary" people who pay for this product than Corporations or higher-end developers.  These are the people who really need this ability to check pages for HTML errors (especially for local files).

     

    I would ask on their (and my) behalf that Adobe reinstate this tool.

     

    Thank you,

     

    Daryl

     
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    Oct 9, 2010 7:39 AM   in reply to dferny

    As far as I know there were very valid reasons for removing it in CS5.

    Doubt very much that it will come back.


     
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    Oct 9, 2010 10:41 AM   in reply to Nini Tjäder

    I dunno. So far, the only solid reasons expressed have been along the lines of "It needed updated, so we opted not to to try."

    That's hardly a valid reason. At least, it's not valid from the perspective of delivering a complete, top-notch tool to the paying customers.

     
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    Oct 9, 2010 1:00 PM   in reply to The Real Thorzdad

    I think they are in danger of losing some paying customers as a result.  We

    use DreamWeaver at work, but the procurers are starting to seriously

    consider staying with cs4.

     

    Enough said.

     
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    Oct 9, 2010 2:21 PM   in reply to dreaming-on

    Amen @ dreaming-on, The Real Thorzdad, dferny.

     

    The only reason that Adobe would possibly think of removing something like the validator is that they aren't paying enough attention to the workflow of their customers. Seriously, $400 web authoring software WITHOUT a validator? Come on Adobe...

     

    In the past, it has worked great for me, but if it wasn't up to your standards spend a little effort and work to IMPROVE it, dont' remove it.

     
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    Oct 9, 2010 3:18 PM   in reply to hmhamed

    I want to investigate an extension that lets DreamWeaver users use CSE HTML Validator, but have not had the time yet. Is there anyone here (or anyone who knows someone) who could possibly write a simple DreamWeaver extension that integrates CSE HTML Validator with DreamWeaver?

     

    I agree though, a $400 web development tool without even a basic validator/checker seems like a major deficiency.

     
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    Oct 9, 2010 3:24 PM   in reply to HTMLValidator.com

    Doesn't the w3c validator do its job? It's free.

     
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    Oct 9, 2010 3:32 PM   in reply to Nini Tjäder

    No, the W3C validator is different and doesn't do the same job in the same way.

     
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    Oct 9, 2010 4:08 PM   in reply to Nini Tjäder

    I notice that the W3C validator keeps coming up as a solution . . . the W3C validator is great but very inefficient for use during development. The request to bring back and support a CS5 Dreamweaver validator is all about efficient workflow . . . checking code quickly as we work. Having to cut and paste or validate on a Web page during development is not an option for me.

     

    As someone stated a few posts ago . . . a validator should be a standard feature when buying the top-end html editor out there and paying the prices that Adobe is able to charge.

     

    I dont' have a problem with Adobe's pricing, in fact as a professional developer I like that it's a considered expensive by some . . . but I do believe for the prices we pay basic workflow resources should be provided.

     

    It's great that I can use an extension to use a validator from two versions ago, but why does Adobe think that they don't need to keep the feature current?  I think the answer is simply because they can get away with it . . . some legitimate competition would be a good thing in my opinion.

     
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    Oct 9, 2010 5:01 PM   in reply to casidougal

    casidougal wrote:

     

    ...the W3C validator is great but very inefficient for use during development. The request to bring back and support a CS5 Dreamweaver validator is all about efficient workflow . . . checking code quickly as we work. Having to cut and paste or validate on a Web page during development is not an option for me.

    Having W3C validate your local HTML document will become a breeze when previewing the page in Firefox -- why ? There´s a brilliant Firefox extension available named "Web Developer", which - among many other helpful features - allows you pass the HTML and/or CSS of your local document to the W3C validator. Can´t get any easier than this ;-)

     

    Cheers,

    Günter

     
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    Oct 9, 2010 5:20 PM   in reply to Günter Schenk

    Other than validating right within the app itself, of course

     
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    Oct 9, 2010 6:12 PM   in reply to The Real Thorzdad

    The Real Thorzdad wrote:

     

    Other than validating right within the app itself, of course

    ..but to my experience...

     

    a) nearly as easy to handle as the built-in validator, and once you´re getting used to it, reloading the saved document in Firefox and have the Developer Toolbar pass it to the W3C validation service will become a speedy procedure as well.

     

    b) far more useful, because the W3C validation service returns - at least to me - more precise error indications which are even legible (bigger font size)

     
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    Dec 23, 2010 7:27 PM   in reply to hmhamed
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    hmhamed wrote:

     

    Hi Randy,

     

    Thanks very much for supplying us with this information and extension!  I find having the validator within the program it very convenient.

     

    Agreed 100%!

     

    And why is the Validator button there if that feature has been taken out?

     
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    Dec 23, 2010 7:34 PM   in reply to casidougal
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    casidougal wrote:

     

    . some legitimate competition would be a good thing in my opinion.

    If adobe keeps neglecting it's long standing customers "me" and countless others then yes it will eventually happen.

     

    DW CS5 is the Windows Vista of the latest CS release. And they "Adobe" don't care what the customers think.

     
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    Apr 17, 2011 11:13 AM   in reply to hmhamed

    I haven't used it (the validator) in a while, but I tried to validate an old page that for some reason is not working anymore. I find this deprecation "mind numbingly" stupid on the part of Adobe.. Yet another WTF moment...

     

    Let's see, late to the party with HTML 5 support, ignoring JavaScript in CS3, CS4, and CS5, no more basic HTML validation.

     

    Clueless. Taking away a basic feature that really doesn't require any development, is a benefit to most on some occasions, and makes life easier for those of us that may have to support old web sites, of which there are about a billion in existence...

     

    Yeah, good move Adobe..

     

     

    At least someone had enough sense to make it available...

     
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    Apr 28, 2012 1:06 AM   in reply to hmhamed

    Hi Everyone,

    Those nice people at Adobe have reinstated the validator which works with CS5

     

    It's here:

     

    http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm?event=extensionDetail& loc=en_us&extid=2188524

     

    Works fine for me,

     

    Mike

     
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    Apr 29, 2012 10:41 AM   in reply to pigstymike

    Only problem is that when I try to downlaod it, I am asked for my username and password even though I am logged in, so the page does not let me in. Another bug in the Adobe setup?

     
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