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New to AW7, need some startup advice please!

Nov 5, 2010 11:04 AM

Hello out there- I used to work with AW6 a few years ago, now have AW7 and would like to know, once I install AW7 out of the box, are there any new or extra files (dll, Xtras, etc) that I should add or update to make AW7 as current as possible? I believe I should install the 7.0.2 update, true?

 

I am planning on building some courses that will incorporate multimedia, e.g. 3d animations, movies, sounds, simple Flash movies, etc. Do I need any updated plugins, players, or Active X controls to keep AW7 up to speed?

 

And I seem to remember from my AW6 days, that some media needed to be installed in the same directory as the A6p file, or A6r file to be packaged properly. Is this still true?

 

Last but but not least, does anyone have any recommendations on a simple, easy to use LMS program that works well with AW7?

 

Thank you all very much in advance, some thoughts on these issues would be greatly appreciated!!!!

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  • Erik Lord
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    Nov 5, 2010 2:48 PM   in reply to cubsfan2010
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    I'm always happy to hear about someone else liking Authorware...but first, are you SURE you want to do that?

    Authorware is no longer developed, and 'support' is pretty much whatever you can find here or the Aware Listserve. I doubt you'll find anyone at Adobe who can help much with the product anymore.

     

    Authorware can be delivered via the web, and can be made SCORM-compliant. It's a LOT easier to use other programs for that through.

     

    Everyone who wants to access your Authorware content over the web will need the Authorware Web Player. It does NOT use the Flash or Shockwave Web Players. That means a separate download that requires initial installation under an Admin account.

     

    Finally, as OS and other tool advances leave Authorware in the dust, more and more functionality breaks. For example, I don't think it's possible to use Authorware's movie icon for any movie types anymore, except the most basic MPEG files (I could be wrong on that example).

     

    So there are lots of reasons you may not want to pursue development with Authorware. It's a GREAT program. I still use it for kiosk/tablet-based applications...but never for web-based applications. Unfortunately, it's discontinued and likely not something you want to invest time in. Who knows when the next OS update will totally kill your application?

     

    IF after all that you still want to work with it, cool enough! And will then address your actual questions ;-)

    Erik

     
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    Nov 5, 2010 3:17 PM   in reply to Erik Lord
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    Erik-

    Thank you so much for replying, I appreciate it. I am still evaluating

    different possibilities for a development program. Not ready to throw out AW

    quite yet, as I will NOT be deploying any courseware over the web. Just one

    computer classroom with a dozen or so workstations, so I have FULL control

    over the OS, environment, computers, etc.

     

    I am open to other suggestions for alternative programs, but I do not like

    programs like Dreamweaver/Coursebuilder or Toolbook, as they present the

    courses in a web browser. I do NOT want the courses displayed in a web

    browser as I am in a pure classroom only situation.

     

    So if is possible to briefly answer any of my post questions I would REALLY

    appreciate it, as I need to pick a program sometime soon and go with it.

    Thank you so much for your time!!

     

    Terry

     
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    Nov 5, 2010 3:19 PM   in reply to Erik Lord
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    Erik is right - are you sure you want to use Authorware? It is still a great tool but kinda outdated.

     

    If you deliver to IE 7 or 8 you need to enable the iFrame workaround to allow smooth communication between Authorware and the LMS.

     

    If you deliver to IE 8, my experience is that Protected Mode must be turned off. Both IE 8 and IE 7 often need the LMS domain to be a Trusted Site.

     

    Authorware Web Player has to be installed as Admin for these browsers.

     

    Erik is right - with the advent of Windows Vista, the Movie Icon lost its new features (introduced in Authorware 6.5?) that allowed the use of native Windows video playback of 'new and exotic' CODECS like MPG 4, DivX etc, so it now works just the same as it did in Authorware 6 and earlier.

     

    Authorware handles media the same as it ever did, so if you have external audio or video, it is best to include it in a subfolder of you main Authorware file.

     

    If you want to include Flash, you must either publish it as Flash 6 (!!) or use the Shockwave Flash ActiveX control for the Flash movies. You lose the ability to layer things above the Flash movie, and you lose transparency support. Not the end of the world usually...

     

     

    Not to start a fight 

     

    Authorware is a breeze to make SCORM compliant. Just pop in the LMS KOs ant start and end, configure them (really easy) then publish. Steps seem a little much when you first set up, but once you set up a file you are done. Easy peasy. If you do lots of files, you quickly learn the steps and it takes only a few moments. I prefer dealing with Authorware than, say Captivate or Flash, for SCORM support.

     

    Steve

     
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    Nov 5, 2010 3:27 PM   in reply to Steve Howard, ACP
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    Steve-

    Thank you so much for your time, a really appreciate it. I replied earlier

    to Steve, provided some details on how I need to potentially use AW. As I

    will be creating lessons for a stand-alone classroom, I have full control

    over all computers and will not be distributing over the web at all, so some

    concerns are not an issue. I do not want the lessons to display on a web

    browser, which is why I like AW. If you have any other suggestions besides

    AW I could research, I would love to know, and if by browsing my previous

    post to Erik you have any other thoughts I would be all ears!

     

    Again, thank you for your time, I can't tell you guys how much this helps

    me!

     

    Terry

     
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    Nov 5, 2010 3:37 PM   in reply to cubsfan2010
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    What OS are you going to be using? If you are going to use XP (not that I recommend it - Windows 7 is way better), you'll be using an OS that is even older than Authorware 7, so should encounter fewer quirks ... But I still develop Authorware content using Windows 7, so there's no overriding reason to use XP IMHO.

     

    Steve

     
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    Nov 5, 2010 3:43 PM   in reply to Steve Howard, ACP
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    I believe I will be able to choose, but will probably end up with Windows 7

    at it is the latest. During my research, I see that movies can still be

    played, just not using the Movie icon. No biggie. So I am leaning towards AW

    still. But once I install AW7 and the 7.0.2 update, are there any more

    files/dlls/Xtras or any other tweaks that should be updated or added? Thanks

    again in advance!

     

    Terry

     
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  • Steve Howard, ACP
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    Nov 5, 2010 4:24 PM   in reply to cubsfan2010
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    No 

     

    There has been no further update to Authorware beyond AW 7.02. Any 3rd-party Xtra developers pretty-much gave up on Authorware years ago.

     

    Steve

     
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    Nov 5, 2010 11:04 PM   in reply to cubsfan2010
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    Quick reply...as I see a initial disconnect...

    If you want to use an LMS, you must deliver the content via a web browser. Doesn't HAVE to touch the internet, could be an 'intranet', but the whole LMS-SCORM thing requires web delivery.

     

    Now, there's the 'AICC' spec which does make allowances for non-web delivered content, and there are at least a few LMS products that support AICC. The easiest way to setup Authorware for SCORM-complaince for LMS  delivery are the LMS KOs. It's been a while since I played with that so  not sure it supports AICC. It might... If not, you could surely setup Authorware to communicate via the AICC spec manually...but that wouldn't be easy.

     

    Do you HAVE to use an LMS per some dictate or requirement, or does that just look to be the easiest way to setup users and tracking? Pre-LMS days, we would setup such centralized logins and tracking manually, usually to a central network location (i.e. Fileserver). So that is certainly a possible option if you don't have to use an LMS...

     

    But if an LMS is required, then SCORM is likely the way you need to setup your Authorware files, and that's going to require delivery through a browser.

     

    (Actually, a quick look here: http://learningconsulting.com shows the LMS KOs may well indeed support AICC. The LMS KOs that come with Authorware 7 are based on Andrew's KOs from that website, though they are more limited, I believe, then the 'pro' versions he offers...and maybe part of that pro update is AICC? Worth a look and read...)

    HTH
    Erik

     
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    Authorware supports coding your own LMS communication via all the CMIxxxx functions and variables. These were in Authorware for AICC support before the world of SCORM came along

     

    There is LAN-based LMS communication 'built in' using AICC's HAACP commands http://documentation.skillsoft.com/index.htm?toc.htm?19169.htm

     

    Moodle is a free open source LMS that can be used for AICC HACP lessons http://docs.moodle.org/en/Adding/editing_a_SCORM

     

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    Nov 6, 2010 8:00 PM   in reply to Steve Howard, ACP
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    Thanks Steve- you guys have been so helpful! I am still evaluating my

    options, and I have been trying to get the rust off my brain and building

    some AW lessons, refreshing my memory and a lot of things. Many complicated

    functions are coming backj to me, but so far, one seeming simple thing is

    killing me. My monitor screen resolution is maxed at 1280x1024. And I want a

    full screen, 1280x1024 lesson. And when I play the file in AW, I still have

    the menu bar, tool bar, and Windows taskbar taking up space and I can't view

    my entire 1280x1024 background graphic. I don't remember having this issue,

    or how I got around it, in my earlier AW days. Any guidance?

    Thanks again, I may find myself on here a lot this week, as I have to decide

    on an authoring program soon. I hope to keep getting your help, it is

    INVALUABLE!!!

    Terry

     
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    Nov 6, 2010 9:05 PM   in reply to cubsfan2010
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    Set the File properties to change the window to the size you want. Same properties dialogue lets you switch off menu bar etc.

     

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    Nov 7, 2010 6:59 AM   in reply to Steve Howard, ACP
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    Yes, thats the first thing I did when I set up the lesson, and when the file

    is packaged and run via the .exe, it works fine of course. In other words,

    my 1280x1024 lesson takes up the full 1280x1024 monitor area.

     

    My problem is, when I open the .a7p file and press Restart/Play to preview

    the lesson, the blue windows title bar and AW Menu Bar are still displayed

    at the top of the screen, pushing the lesson background down and cutting off

    the bottom portion.

     

    Since my post, I did find a strange workaround- if I press Restart/Play, as

    I said, I have the title/menu bar at the top of the screen. But if I

    minimize then maximize the window, they go away! And I can continue

    previewing the lesson as it would display to a user. Is this normal AW

    behavior?

     

    Might be something goofy with this trial version I have, if the standard

    full version doesn't seem to do this I won't worry much.

     

    Can't say thanks enough for your help, I'm sure there will be more to

    follow...

     

    Terry

     
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    Nov 7, 2010 7:53 AM   in reply to cubsfan2010
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    As mentioned before, I still do AW development regularly. I do not ever encounter this issue.

     

    Just to be clear - did you turn off both the menu bar and the tool bar in the Authorware file properties?

     

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    Nov 7, 2010 8:03 AM   in reply to Steve Howard, ACP
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    Yes, I did. The file works super when packaged, its just the AW menu bar

    taking up space when I play it in AW. Not a dealbreaker, as I found a

    workaround, and I can still move things around, adjust hotspots, etc, with

    the bottom part cut off. I think its just a trial version issue, if I commit

    to AW I will get the full version. Again, I have my monitor screen

    resolution set to 1280x1024, and I have a 1280x1024 background imported into

    AW. (If I import a 1024x768 background, no issues of course.) If you get

    bored, try to use a background that is the same size as your monitor size

    and see if you have the same issue I do.

     

    Anyway, great to hear you still use AW regularly, if I commit to using it,

    I'll probably be pestering you for awhile!! Thnks again!

     

    Terry

     
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    Nov 7, 2010 9:20 AM   in reply to cubsfan2010
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    Ah - now what happens if you set your monitor to a big-boy resolution above 1280x1024? In (amost) 15 years of Authorware development I have never developed an AW app that is the same size as my development monitor resolution.

     

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    Nov 7, 2010 11:41 AM   in reply to Steve Howard, ACP
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    Well, I can't go above 1280x1024 on my current computer, if I decide to

    upgrade my computer (which I may for this upcoming project, I may need a

    big-boy resolution!) I won't have to worry about it. I do need this new

    course to be full screen, I don't want any desktop or browser windows to be

    visible. When the course is started, we just want the lesson to take up ALL

    the real estate on the monitor. So, looks like I can make this happen how I

    want with AW.

     

    Can't say thanks enough, I'm sure I'll be back here soon...Terry

     
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    Steve-

    Back again! So I'm hoping to get your opinion again on LMS software that

    works well with AW. I have been poking around, and most popular LMS programs

    do a lot more than I need. I have full control over a independent,

    stand-alone classroom, so I do not need a courseware deployment system or

    need to use the internet. I just need a basic student record system, I

    really just need to keep track of some personal info (name, last 4, etc),

    lesson progress, lesson completion, and quiz/test scores.

     

    I know I could capture and export this data to a Microsoft Access file, but

    that isn't really considered and LMS system, is it? I would like to go down

    the road to AICC-compliance/certification for this. Would Access be enough?

     

    So if you know of any simple LMS programs that work well for basic

    recordkeeping, I would appreciate your opinion. Thanks!

     

    Terry

     
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    As you say - if your data needs are so limited, an Access database will do just fine.

     

    I've always been cynical of LMSs for most of us. The typical usage is tracking who accessed what and when, and if the completed lessons and assessments. If you are a large corporation tracking compliance etc than maybe an LMS makes sense, but from your description, I'd say go ahead and use an Access database.

     

    If you really really want to use an LMS, I reiterate Moodle. But beware that it will require some configuration and effort that you may prefer to devote to other tasks.

     

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    Yes, I believe Access will do the trick. I've done a little research, since

    its been awhile, but I believe using Access for student tracking is totally

    fine as far as AICC/SCORM compliance goes. Thanks again for your timely

    input! Have a great weekend...

     

    Terry

     
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    I think for true SCORM or AICC compliance you must use a SCORM or AICC compliant LMS too.

     

    If you simply want to track data as has been discussed, using ACCESS, that would not really be SCORM compliant.

     

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    Yes, I agree, if I really need to be 100% compliant I would need an LMS.

    Also, there is the difference between "compliant" and "certified". And the

    fact that technically I am not developing e-learning for the web, or

    web-based distribution, but stand-alone instruction. According to SCORM and

    AICC websites it does make a difference in requirements.

     

    To change the subject, is there a website or resource that still has 3rd

    party Xtras/Sprite add-ons available? I know there is a lot of added, bonus

    functionality that doesn't come with AW. Not really finding much out there.

    I saw on the Adobe website a mention of something called QuickDraw 3d Xtra,

    but the link was bad. Anyway, if you know of a decent Xtra source I can

    browse out of curiousity, let me know.

     

    That's it for now- as always, thanks for your time!

     

    Terry

     
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    Xtras,

     

    Yes and no... meaning none of them are up to date. Do a search simply for "Authorware Xtras" and you can get some results, but you may find little help or support on anything you find.

     

    QD3D Xtra was old and relatively useless in 2000, so I wouldn't hold your breath for it now ... But I think it should be on your Authorware CD.

     

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    Good morning Steve- time for another question of the day!!

     

    So I may be tasked with developing a course in AW, and then have it

    translated into several different foreign languages. Could be simple, could

    be complicated. If I have English text in my AW course, and replace all the

    text with, say, a Korean or Russian font, would I need to install the

    foreign font on the target computer? Will the foreign text display in a

    packaged AW file? I guess the question may be as simple as how do I include

    an unusual font in an AW packaged file. Have you ever heard of or dealt with

    foreign languages and AW?

     

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    There's multiple ways to solve that. None of them are quick and easy. All require extensive knowledge of Authorware. If you dig around the Aware List archives you should be able to find some excellent history.

     

    http://listserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be/archives/aware.html

     

    First, you could build one version of the course, then make a copy, and switch out the text in the second version.

    Sounds easy, but this quickly becomes a maintenance nightmare - any time you have to maintain multiple files, you create extra headaches for yourself.

     

    Second, there are multiple ways to build something more dynamic - something that uses external text perhaps in rich text or XML format. Here, you would build your course with some logic to read the external content at runtime, and populate your text objects with the appropriate language. There is no quick and easy way to tell you how to do this. You will need to understand external files, XML, the use of custom code, variables etc in Authorware.

     

    There is a third possible approach, where you have all your text content in libraries, and create a library for each language. At runtime, you can control which library Authorware loads by allowing the user to select a language, then use JumpFile to select your course and language library.

     

    I am sure you will find many other solutions discussed in the Aware archives.

     

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    Steve-

    Thanks so much for the detailed answers, I can't tell you enough how big a

    help you have been. So yes, it looks like dealing with foreign languages

    will be painful. I am still in the planning phase for this project, so a lot

    of requirements are still up in the air, so I am trying to anticipate as

    many hurdles as I can. I believe I will definitely have a need for some

    translation, but I do not know how many or which languages I would be

    dealing with yet. But you have given me a great start for thought on this!

     

    I'm sure I will have more crazy questions soon...

    Terry

     
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    A few years ago, I spent a few hours trying to convert an application to Chinese. I didn't have any luck. Installed the Chinese font and followed whatever posts I could find on it, and just couldn't get the characters to appear on-screen.

     

    Latin languages, like French and Spanish, are FAR less complex. I just keep my text in external .ini files (yes, I know, way old-school these days ;-) and reference those files/values based on the language the user selects at the beginning of the program.

     

    The biggest issue I've found with this approach is layout - if the text area for English is tight, you can almost be assured that text in French or Spanish is going to overflow that space in many cases....so you have to leave some padding/margins and maybe workout some dynamic display icon placement.

     

    HTH
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    Erik-

    Thanks so much for your input, I really appreciate it. I can see dealing

    with foreign languages won't be easy!  I don't have to decide or determine

    exactly how I need to proceed, as I am still in the dark as to which

    languages and to what extent I may need to translate. But I am sure I will

    be posting again soon, it seems a new question comes up every day. Thanks

    again for your time, it means a lot!

    Terry

     
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    There's an additional thing to remember in dealing with languages. Some of them require a 'double-byte' OS. I'm thinking way back five years or more so I'm not sure how it's been affected by newer OS versions. IIRC there were specific OS versions that were requred to support some languages. If you need to use one of those then I think your only option will be to obtain a machine and OS capable of supporting that font and obtain a copy of Authorware that supports that OS to do the development for that langauge on that machine. This could be why Erik's attempt at Chinese didn't go well.

    I've never tried using Authorware's RTF objects with different languages. I'm not sure if it's capable. Here's a link to something I found in the AWARE archives... http://www.jsconsulting.ca/products

     

    HTH,

    Mike

     
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    Good point about double-byte fonts windows vista and windows 7 have expanded language support that removes the need for language specific versions of the os.

     

    You can display external rtf objects with code and/or by variable expression. Dazzletech did this for at least one project I saw.

     

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    Hello Mike-

    Thank you so much for your time, I really appreciate it! As I go through

    this planning phase for this project, more details on the extent of the

    foreign language requirements will come to light, and I'll have to look

    close at the AWARE archives for help. Thanks for the reference, its a big

    help.

    Terry

     
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    So, no matter what method is used, and no matter whether its an a7p, a7r,

    exe, or published for the web, doesn't the unique foreign font have to be

    installed in the target machine's c:\windows\fonts folder? If this is the

    case, is there a work-around of some sort, some way to include a unique font

    in the packaging/publishing of an AW course, so its not an issue? I'm full

    of questions, I know...

     

    And this kind of throws a wrench in the use of some system variables, does

    it not? I used to display map icon names for page titles, you know,

    displaying variable text on screen with IconTitle or page numbers with

    PageNum, I believe it was. Just rambling now. But as always, thanks again,

    and I'm sure I'll be back soon...

    Terry

     
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    You're right that the font needs to be installed for it to work. There is a KO for installing and removing fonts during the execution of your program. Test early, test often. We really have no idea if these will work with current OS's. Since Authorware's EOD at Adobe there isn't a full time QA staff testing out all these things. It's up to us.

     

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    Oh yeah - Authorware does not support double-byte fonts natively. There used to be a third-party u32 that did. It was like RTFObjects.u32 only better. Can’t remember the name offhand ... Can't remember if rtfObjects.u32 supports double-byte fonts or not - gonna guess not.

     

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    By the way, one workaround for font support is to use images instead of text. Not ideal, especially if your course is large, but it can be an option.

     

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    I believe this is it. Found it in the AWARE archives searching "unicode". http://www.jsconsulting.ca/products

     

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