Did you try using 'Levels' instead.

jvos213 wrote:

 

The solution to this problem:

 

http://jdvos.com/?p=247

 

Actually quite simple...

That is a silly solution.

The answer was given early on .  Temporal smoothing  Did you enebale ti and increase the time value?

This solution isn't silly. It's completely ridiculous.

Another example why Premiere isn't made properly and fails to be a professional tool, in my opinion.

In 6 years running Premiere and teaching people in schools to use it, even I cannot say it's anything more than a glitchy piece of software that would be incredible if it was half as stable as it made out to be.

I suggest Adobe beta test it more, as it feels like it's beta tested for a week on brand new machines for which every single component, down to the DVD drive is tailored with nothing in mind other than Premiere compatibility. Get real! Why does every competing package run so much better on a wider variety of machines?

I used to be one of the people that kept making excuses for Premiere, thinking it was my fault, and now I just now I need to let go and see how much further competition has come.

(this is all before addressing about 6 other issues ranging from Adobe losing information on my tech support cases, to failing to do callbacks...)

Rant complete.

This is absolutely disgusting.  I'm getting intense flickering with manual Shadow & Highlight settings on Export.  Adobe hasn't done anything to resolve this.  It is thus an amateurish piece of toy software.  This is happening without any other effects applied to a simple clip but Shadow & Highlight.

Jeff Bellune wrote:

 

The information you need about using the Shadow/Highlight effect is here, as Todd mentioned previously:

 

Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 & CS5.5 * Shadow/Highlight effect

 

If you would like a different behavior, then please file a feature request here:

 

Adobe - Feature Request/Bug Report Form

 

-Jeff

I have no idea why you keep linking people over to the help file for the Shadow/Highlight  effect.  There is absolutely no bit of information there that could lead  to any resolution of this issue.  It's an example of why people can get  so inflamed here; regulars like yourself -- though you are compensated, since your caption is a "Community Professional" -- purport to offer answers (a) without  thinking about whether it will actually address the problem; (b)  defending Adobe as a starting point; and (c) taking the easiest path of  citing already-established generalities.

This is a bug,  plain and simple.  It dates back years, and hundreds of people have reported it across the Web.  [Advice:  spend a minute looking.]  I have submitted repeated bug  reports.  Many, many other users have too.  This is a simple case of  Adobe letting the issue slide.  Like a billion others.  One tiny  example:  ever wondered what those Auto Black Levels and Auto White  Levels buttons do in the Fast Color Corrector?  Absolutely nothing.   That's been the case for several years now.  Great job, Adobe.

Todd_Kopriva wrote:

 

> I have no idea why you keep linking people over to the help file for the Shadow/Highlight  effect.  There is absolutely no bit of information there that could lead  to any resolution of this issue.

 

 

The page that Jeff pointed to contains information about the Temporal Smoothing control, which is suppsed to prevent flickering. You never said whether you had tried to use that control, even though it was suggested earlier in this thread.

 

> though you are compensated, since your caption is a "Community Professional"

 

 

That is only an acknowledgment by a group here at Adobe that Jeff has shown himself to be a knowledgeable and helpful person---which he is. It is no indication of compensation by Adobe.

Seriously, this is why I question the value of these forums altogether.  People don't simply read the threads, as is standard in true power user forums all across the Interwebs.  If you merely scroll up this short thread, you'll see how obviously Temporal Smoothing is no solution, and 100% irrelevant to the issue being complained about here, which is flickering and banding during both rendering and even paused playback on the timeline in full manual mode.  Temporal smoothing is totally unavailable in manual mode, and Jeff knew that.

Since you are an actual Adobe employee, Todd, I have some advice:  presume that your customers are pointing out an error that Adobe can fix, instead of beginning with the hope that it's not Adobe's fault.  That's good customer service, or in other terms, the only way you'll survive as a business.

the_wine_snob wrote:

 

Thank you for that info.

 

I just applied those settings to a DV-AVI Clip (SD), and Rendered that Clip. I could detect no flicker or banding, even with the Program Monitor nearly full screen on my laptop and the Magnification at 150%.

 

What are the specs. of the Clip, where you observe those issues?

 

I'll be glad to try with any Source Footage, that I can get my hands on.

 

Appreciated, and good luck,

 

Hunt

Thanks for checking it out.  Here's another thing to see, a screen grab that shows the Program Monitor view when the time marker is in the clip with the Shadow/Highlight effect enabled using those settings I mentioned earlier.  The source clip is a simple MPEG-2 1280x720p 29.97fps file at a moderate bitrate.

The thin band at the top is showing the proper application of the effect; it moves around frame-by-frame (there are no keyframes, cropping, etc., of course) and that is the "flickering" that people are talking about/reporting.

the_wine_snob wrote:

 

Wow, that IS obvious. I nearly went blind, looking for tiny flickers and banding (at least it did prompt me to clean the laptop's monitor!).

 

I saw nothing even close.

 

Am I correct that the problem exists in Exported footage too, and not just in the Program Monitor? If only in the Program Monitor, I would quickly check the video card's installed driver. If in Export, I am at a loss to explain what you show. I will definitely have to defer to Todd, Kevin, or someone else there.

 

Thanks for the screen-cap and good luck,

 

Hunt

I'm afraid the same thing happens on rendering/export.  Definitely a bug.  Jeff Bellune keeps insisting it isn't.

Thanks for taking a look.

I can confirm the flicker issue, and it is rather pronounced (=unacceptable) in certain videos, e.g. with high contrast shooting beach seaside in full sunshine.

I am amazed at how some guys in this thread that are supposed to be community helper veterans ignore the issue, brush off the reports, and link us back to some basic help pages.

I have exactly the same issue but ONLY with DSLR footage, it's almost as if the rolling shutter affects the flicker...very strange. There are quite a few posts about this but no solution, so i presume it must be a bug.

The quickest way i found to work around with the problem was delete the H/S effect on all the clips and use the Brightness/Contrast tool instead, which seems to work well with exposure issues.

I'll chime in to and confirm Shadow/Highlight causes a visible and unacceptable flickering on at least half of the shots I apply it to. That is common across AE CS5/6 and PR CS5/6, in both Auto+Temporal Smoothing and full manual modes. I've found flickering across a range of sources (Red, AVCHD, HDSLR, Uncompressed digibeta, MiniDV) at range of resolutions. All clips that flicker were shot on full manual with no adjustment in exposure settings. I can't work out what causes the flickering - I haven't been able to find any pattern amongst the clips that do. It's a real shame because when it works the filter does some truly wonderful things to perceived dynamic range.

Also, the bug/feature request form links to an error page whenever I submit an entry.

I'm afraid to report I still get flickering no matter what, if anything, is sitting below the clip in question - I've had a few instances this morning on the timeline I'm working on. But I'm glad it's working for you Jesse!

mde.tv wrote:

 

I'd also like to note that reading this thread made me physically sick. All the old video pros coming in and chipping in their two cents without reading what people wrote before... "easy fix, just enable temporal smoothing." C'mon, pay attention.

Exactly.  It's a big problem here; they'll ban you for mentioning the names of the old veterans with thousands of posts, but it's totally true.

There is none. Make sure there are no video tracks above/below the track you are adding the effect to, turn off auto amounts, and turn black clip/white clip down to 0%... one or all of those things may be required to remove the flicker effect.