Just like the title says - several (30) avi files from a customer will play just fine, but only open as audio streams in CS5 PP or AME.
Where should I start looking?
Thanks!
Use MediaInfo to analyze the file and post the details of it; Tree view is convenient.
The format, AVI, is but a wrapper. This ARTICLE will give you some background, and explain how to "peek inside that wrapper."
Good luck,
Hunt
PS - post the info from MediaInfo, or a screen-cap from G-Spot (PC-only), and someone will tell you how to handle that material. My vote is first: DivX/Xvid, and second MJPEG, but there are other CODEC's, that can cause what you describe. For some additional reading, this ARTICLE might be useful, regarding CODEC's.
See if the instructions in the 2nd post for NEW ITEM pointer
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/770072?tstart=0 will work for youLooks like pretty standard MPEG2 video; almost DVD compliant MPEG2. Premiere works just fine with most flavors of MPEG2, so it's like a container issue. For giggles, try changing the AVI extension to MPG; that may force Premiere into using the MPEG splitter. If that doesn't work, post back--there are ways to demux (demultiplex) AVIs into their elementary streams.
The drag-to-the-new-item-button thing is not going to help; that's a shortcut to setting up a sequence, not a way to force Premiere into playing back a video file. Premiere doesn't care what sequence you use with a particular video file--that's why you can put AVCHD footage in a DV sequence, for example--it's format-agnostic with the formats it accepts. If it doesn't import, or doesn't playback properly from the Project Panel/Source Monitor, then the New Item button isn't going to do a thing--which is what you discovered.
Colin,
Glad that your "young eyes" confirmed what I was seeing, or not seeing - nothing wrong with the file, other than the "wrapper," AVI. I would also follow your suggestion to just change the format/file extension and try again. I was going blind, trying to see something else wrong with the file.
Hunt
PS - I also did not "guess" correctly on the problem - there appears to be no DivX/Xvid, or MJPEG involved. Guess no one owes me a beer in The Lounge. Hey, it was worth a guess... ![]()
Colin,
Changing the extension to mpg was it. Works perfect now (except there's 73 files to change extensions on just today).
I probably would've tried that originally (because in older versions, changing vob to mpg worked about 1/2 the time), but now with Win7 the extensions are hidden by default and I was too lazy to go set them to appear....
Thanks all!
Ok,
Sorry to resurrect this - but having the same problem again with a different batch of files.
Tried renaming (and got creative with extensions) - nothings working.
If I import as AVI - I get audio only.
If I change the extension to anything else - I get an error.
If I try to bring it into AME I get black video.
Any ideas?
Here's the MediaInfo grab from the new files:
Well, I think I figured out what these files are--they're from a Toshiba camcorder. As we can see, it records H.264 video and ADPCM audio to an AVI container--hardly a standard practice, and that's the reason these are causing so much trouble.
I found a sample clip from another Toshiba camera, and was able to get it into Premiere through some artful subterfuge. Let me just say--it ain't pretty or easy. How many of these do you have to do? I guess if you really need to edit this stuff, it doesn't much matter ![]()
Let me know if you're interested in the workaround...
OK, I had a fancy workaround for these, but I just stumbled upon something that I can't quite figure out... but I'm not complaining. This works on my system, and I don't think I have anything installed to make this work, but here goes...
First of all, I tried importing the files into Premiere--only audio comes in. The same goes for AME. Then, I tried After Effects--it's sort of a Swiss Army knife when it comes to weird files, at times--but it wouldn't import even the audio.
I then used a demux tool to break the AVI into its elementary streams--H264 video and what I thought was going to be AAC audio. However, the audio came out in a raw format, and I couldn't get it remuxed to an MP4 file.
Usually, Audacity with the ffmpeg components will open stuff like this; it imported the audio from the AVI (I was going to re-export as AAC), but it was all garbled. Audacity also lets you open raw audio data, and that works occasionally--but not this time.
Finally, I decided to try the AVI in Soundbooth--I figured that since Premiere would at least recognize the audio, Soundbooth would too. I was in for a shock, though: Soundbooth recognized both the audio AND the video!
So, at this point, we're at a fork in the road: export just AAC audio and remux with the video, or export a new AVI file. If you want to remux and use the original H.264 video, let me know and I'll walk you through the steps for that. Or, you can just download a good intermediate codec like Lagarith or Ut (you might already have these), and export from SB to an AVI using one of these codecs. They're visually lossless (though the files will end up being much larger, of course), but you can drop them in Premiere and edit away.
Let me know how that works out for you, or if you want any more detail. As mentioned, I can walk your through the demux/re-encode/remux if you like, but this will probably get you rolling in short order.
One note: when doing this, Soundbooth seems to mute the last second or so of audio (at least in test file you sent me). If this is an issue, you can always import the originals into Premiere, and use the audio from those; then you'll just have to sync up the video and audio in Premiere.
Let us know how it goes!
Hmm... interesting... Soundbooth, that is. I had installed a splitter that I thought maybe was letting me open the files (and then use the Windows 7 built-in H264 decoder), but uninstalling the splitter still lets me open the files in SB. I don't have many other things installed that would let me open the file, so this is indeed a mystery.
Well... let's take a different tactic, at least to get you rolling with the video:
Anyway, it's a little clunky...
OK, scratch that... just figured out an easier way ![]()
Geez... wish I'd tried that earlier
I'm sure there is a way to commandline/batch this so you wouldn't have to do it manually. That's beyond me at the moment though--but this will get you rockin'.
Colin,
Thanks so much! Works like a charm.
You've been an amazing help - thanks again for spending so much time! Hate to say it, but you couldn't pay for that kind of tech support...
Again, thanks a million - saved my bacon.
Let me know when you're in the New Mexico region and I'll buy you dinner!
Good to hear
We all have to have each other's backs when it comes to this madness. Ain't no Geek Squad to come to the rescue ![]()
(...although, I suppose we sort of ARE the real Geek Squad...)
And careful what you wish for: chances are good I'll be out in ABQ sometime later this year for one of the documentary projects I'm working on. Green chili isn't too easy to find in the snowy confines of northern Michigan ![]()
You guys really need to be careful when it comes to offers of food--I never turn down a meal ![]()
I'm practically in the shadows of the south tower of the Mighty Mac--the Mackinac Bridge, for the uninitiated. I'm about a 20-minute drive from entering into Yooper Land, if that gives you an idea. There's a small but growing production and post-production community up here (partly due to the film tax credits), but it can still be a bit isolated. I'm doing my part to spread the Premiere gospel around the neighborhood--already brought one over from the Dark Side ![]()
Drop me a line the next time you visit--though I'd wait for summer if I were you!
Alright, I'm sure you're already done converting all these files manually (poor guy), but I finally figured out how to cook up a super-simple batch file to rewrap a whole folder of these AVIs into MP4s automagically!
Since we can't attach files any more, you'll have to do a little work yourself, but don't worry--it's worth it ![]()
@ECHO OFF
for %%a in (*.avi) do "C:\Program Files (x86)\VideoLAN\VLC\vlc" -I dummy "%%a" --sout=#:file{dst="%%~na".mp4} vlc://quit
How easy is that?
you solution is sound in theroy except for one small issue. when trying to select a destination file it forces me to create a new one and saves it in a .ps format. when i attempt to rename this to .mp4 it saves it as such a format buit adobe preime will STILL not recongnize it. so in other words you VCL coversion idea either is bogus or needs to be refined. sorrhy if i sound tactless and rude but i have been running through these danged forums for days in my spare time and i have YET to find a solution that WORKS when it comes to coverting an avi-type 1 into a format that adobe will understand. any and all solution i have come a crossed have been dead ends. since you seem like the brainy type regarding how adobe words i would ask that you provide a refined solution. since the one above with VCL does not work.
Welcome to the forum.
I have converted many DV-AVI Type I files to DV-Type II's with DigitalMedia Converter 2.7 (shareware from Deskshare), though that is an older version, and I have NOT tried the newer ones, including the DMC Pro version.
To date, I have had zero problems with the DMC 2.7 converted DV-AVI II's.
Not sure if that helps, but it works perfectly for me.
I have only used VLC Player as a player, so cannot comment on the recommendation to use it for conversion.
Good luck,
Hunt
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