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How can I work with lightroom when I use two computers ?

Jan 10, 2011 6:31 AM

I am new to Lightroom and work with a laptop at home and a PC at work. Before I started to use LR3 I simply duplicated my pic files onto both machines, edited on whichever machine I wanted and then synchronised the folders. This system provided me with a working copy at either home or work and also a backup copy on the other machine.

 

I would like to operate the same system with LR3 but am unable to figure it out due to the automatic filing system used by the programmme to seperate the raw files and the instructions for those files.

 

Can anyone provide me with simple step by step instructions on how to transfer the files/instructions by using  a flash drive and "Copy and replace"system

as I am totally confused by the grammar, syntax, and terminology used by Adobe.

 
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    Jan 10, 2011 7:44 AM   in reply to geoffbubbles

    I too work on two machines: one at work and one at home. I use the export/import catalog functionality that takes care of everything.

     

    My workflow is:

    1. Set up a smart collection called "Touched Today" which automatically shows all images modified today.
    2. At the end of the day, select all images in "Touched Today" and Export as Catalog onto a USB flash drive.
    3. On the other computer, I import the catalog from the flash drive into the host catalog.

     

    Note: If you know you worked on old files, that already exist on the other computer, do not check the "Include negatives" option during export. This will save a lot of disk space (on the flash drive) and time.

     
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    Jan 10, 2011 10:00 AM   in reply to geoffbubbles

    In my opinion (notice, MY opinion), the easiest way to do this is to have the catalog, the images, previews, (in other words, everything) on an external hard drive.  It's easy, it works well.  Then, when you are finished with the editing, you could export a set of JPEG images for viewing to each computer.  But the master files remain on the external drive.  It's a way to do it, but you might not like that idea.  I do.

     
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    Jan 10, 2011 10:05 AM   in reply to geoffbubbles

    If you're following Dorin's instructions, be sure you choose File->Import from Catalog, don't just click Import.  Then you'll find & choose the .LRCAT file from your flash drive (not photos or folders). The catalog file knows where the photos are (so you don't have to).

     
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    Jan 10, 2011 2:05 PM   in reply to geoffbubbles

    Hi Geoffbubbles,

     

    if you see only 1 photo you did export only 1 photo in the catalog.

    Make sure you select all (e.g. <ctrl> A or remove the tick from "export selected photos only" in the dialog box of export-as-catalog =>will pick the total folder).

     

    What Dorin mentions are catalogs as transportation vehicles between the two LR computer catalogs.

     

    Let's assume you start on your home-comp and transfer to the work-comp.

     

    When you EXPORT you give a name "home-to-work" for the transport catalog. You decide if you include the pictures by ticking "exclude negative files".

    You would do so only for the first time, when your work-comp would not yet have them.

    These are the original files which would never be touched, but which LR needs to have available to do develop work (i.e. to write develop instructions into its database). [Or maybe only you need them in order to have LR display the effects of what you are doing, if your slider settings achieve your desired result.]

     

    When you transfer your new settings from the work-comp to the home-comp which has the original files already you only need to transfer the DB-records for the files, i.e. the catalog parts. Then it is sufficient to export-as-catalog (name it "work-to-home") without the tick for the negative files. Which will obviously save a lot of data to transfer.

     

    As would leaving off the tick for "include available previews", but then your receiving computer would have to render the previews itself - your choice where you spend the effort.

     

    Depending on your ticks checked in export dialog the data on the transfer stick will show different folders:

    • 1 wrapping folder with the name you specified as transportation catalog name (in the example above "home-to-work")
    • therein the catalog file *.lrcat (home-to-work.lrcat)
    • if "include negative files" ticked: as many subfolders as the original folder structure/names of the pictures in it had on the sending machine
    • if "include available previews" ticked: an *Previews.lrdata-folder ("home-to-work Previews.lrdata") with lots of subfolders labelled 0...F

     

    On the receiving computer, when you IMPORT FROM CATALOG, you only select the *.lrcat-file.

    In the dialog box you decide if you import the negative files (prereq you had included them) or if you just add them without moving (why not leave them on the stick i.o. actually copying over to the work-comp?). If there are no new photos, but just new settings, you can either overwrite your old settings (which is probably your intention) or tick "preserve old settings as virtual copies".

    When you use Dorins smart collection "Touched today" the virtual copies should not show up upon re-export on the way "work-to-home", provided you have further tweaked the master versions only. Or they do because in the end you liked them better and continued tweaking on them.

     

    Note if you do not include previews: you might need to tell LR on the receiving comp to rerender the previews if it contains the photos and earlier previews already - I am not sure, if LR starts off on its own to rerender them.

     
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    Jan 11, 2011 9:24 PM   in reply to geoffbubbles

    Hi,

    I know you mentioned that an external drive would not work, but you did not say why. I work on 2 computers also... There are a lot of advantages to having ALL your work on an external drive and it works great as long as you have a fast one (ESATA; Firewire 800 / 400; etc.).. If you have a moment take a look at this post by David Marx on the Lightroom Lab...

    My Photo Storage System: Two External Hard Drives

     
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    Jan 12, 2011 7:22 PM   in reply to geoffbubbles
    I regret to inform you that your well intentioned posting has simply wasted both our times.

     

    I won't apologise for being so blunt,  I'm a Yorkshireman and we are respected for 'saying it as  it is'.

     

    Best regards

     

    Geoff

     

     

    No regrets; and no problem for me...  What I posted was 10 seconds of reading. If your time is so critical those 10 seconds of read don't compare to your arduous reply. I certainly Hope you get your issue's worked out and have a better day.


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    Bud

     
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    Jan 13, 2011 12:21 PM   in reply to geoffbubbles

    You say that "I'm a Yorkshire man and we're respected for " saying it as it is.""

    Well, you may be respected, but probably not liked.

     
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    Jan 13, 2011 1:03 PM   in reply to geoffbubbles

    Sorry to deliberately keep off the point, but honesty can be taken too far, and definitely was in this case; the native photo was just trying to draw out why you didn't want to follow one particular course of action. Not at all an unreasonable act, as he just might have convinced you that there was a better way of doing things in the future.

     
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    Jan 13, 2011 3:41 PM   in reply to geoffbubbles

    Dear Geoffbubbles,

     

    The purpose of this forum is not to debate social graces or manners. It is to discuss Lightroom and to be helpful to others. I certainly was not trying to waste your time,  or anyone else's including mine. As Johnhawk666 stated accurately; I was only curious why using an external drive wouldn't work for you, and only offered a link for a good article on the topic that you might have found helpful. That did not mean you had any obligation to follow the link, and I was not trying to "sell" you on my way. But again; I don't want to waste time by drifting as you say "off topic"... I will point out that if you think such is the case you might consider editing the title of this thread and changing it to something such as "How can I work with Lightroom transferring files using a flash drive?"

     

    Currently your post is titled "How can I work with lightroom when I use two computers?" so after all; I was really not so off topic. If taking a moment (A very brief moment) to read a post bothers you so much, maybe you would get more specific responses if you re-title your post. It's Just a suggestion, and you should respect that because I am only 'saying it as  it is'.

     

    Happy days using Lightroom. I sincerely hope you have great success and hope someone will answer your questions to your liking. Now I will remove the default e-mail notifications for this thread because I don't know about you, but I have better things to do.

     

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    Jan 19, 2011 12:16 PM   in reply to geoffbubbles

    Hi Geoffbubbles - Yorkshireman,

     

    To answer your question: yes, you can delete the *transportation-vehicle partial catalogs* home-to-work / work-to-home once you have imported them on your work-machine / home-machine. Their sole purpose is to carry the database-entries from one of the *real catalogs* over to the other.

    They never change your original files, they just have setting-instructions&metadata about them. (There may be the photo-files themselves as well as previews present).

    And those instructions in a *real catalog*, which are present from a previous import, you overwrite by the process of importing from the transpo-catalog-part.

     

    Myself I have experience only with a one-way set-up: one computer has the "master LR catalog", the other computer has a *2nd view catalog*, but is not intended to perform work which I would want to take back into the master catalog. But the process of exporting a portion from a real catalog via a transpo-vehicle-partial-catalog and importing that into the other real catalog is always the same.

     

    Don't be confused about Adobe's wording: I have not found them consistent in a mathematical manner, so whenever you read "image", "photo", "negative", "file" best treat the terms as synonyms...

    I would bother with previews only for the first time you create a transpo-package, assuming that the changes afterwards by new development instructions are more easily updated on the real catalog after import.

    So once you consider the going-back-and-from finished I would have LR re-render the previews in the final catalog for quick browsing (Menu Library - Previews - Render standard-sized previews).

     

    Regards from a also notoriously blunt German,

    Cornelia

    (I have never made it yet into Yorkshire, but it's now on top of my Britain-list to visit, for stunning photo scenery)

     
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    Mar 18, 2012 5:45 PM   in reply to Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață

    I saw your reply to the post on working with two computers.  I have a slightly different situation - I would like to have Lightroom installed on two computers (in different cities) then save my catalog and phots to a cloud such as Dropbox.  I would then use the Catalog and files from either computer and have changes saved on each.  I would never be in two places at the same time some my only risk is that somehow that Catalog does not sync.  Will this work? 

     
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    Mar 18, 2012 8:51 PM   in reply to RDB_Mac_LR3.5

    RDB_Mac_LR3.5 wrote:

     

    I would like to have Lightroom installed on two computers (in different cities) then save my catalog and phots to a cloud such as Dropbox.  I would then use the Catalog and files from either computer and have changes saved on each.  I would never be in two places at the same time some my only risk is that somehow that Catalog does not sync.  Will this work? 

     

    It will if you are willing to upload the entire catalog and previews to Dropbox each time you make a change then download the entire catalog and previews each time you want to work on the images in another location...but the images would need to be up/downloaded at the same time. Personally, I don't think this is workable unless you net speed is super, super fast. I would suggest keeping the images, catalog and previews on an external drive and carry it between the locations.

     
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    Mar 19, 2012 4:48 AM   in reply to Jeff Schewe

    Jeff,

     

    In Dropbox the files are automatically synchronized to both computers. For example I could work on a catalogue in NY which is located on my local Dropbox folder and as I work is updated to the cloud.  In this scenario my catalog would be replicated on computer "B" located in Chicago. When I get to Chicago the files will be identical.

     

    I have read that Lightroom can't be used on a network but this would look like a local drive in both cases. Other than transfer speed, which is not an issue given that it is at least 24 hours between uses in each city, I can't see a reason that this won't work.  Am I missing anything?

     

    Thanks for you help! 

     

    RDB

     

     

    Notice:  This email is confidential if you are not the intended recipient please delete this message and notify me by using the reply function.  Thanks.

     
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