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New Nikon D3, D300, and D700 "Camera" v3 beta profiles

Jan 20, 2011 9:14 AM

Hi everyone,

 

I have posted a zip file containing updated "Camera" color profiles (Camera Standard, Camera Neutral, etc.) for the Nikon D3, Nikon D300, and Nikon D700. The zip file contains a copy of the readme, but I'll post it here for convenience, too:

 

For lack of a better name, I am calling these "v3" beta profiles.

 

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BETA RELEASE NOTES

 

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Overview

 

These updated Camera v3 beta profiles for the Nikon D3, Nikon D300, and Nikon D700 are designed to reduce banding and highlight color artifacts. They also address the "too bright" tone curve issues with the previous "v2" version of the D3 and D700 profiles.

 

IMPORTANT NOTE: When using these v3 beta profiles, if you wish to match the default tonality of Nikon's Picture Controls (e.g., match View NX / Capture NX), you must set the Exposure slider in Camera Raw / Lightroom to -0.5.

 

Of course, feel free to adjust Exposure to make your image brighter or darker as you like. But in terms of matching Nikon's default tonality, you must set the Exposure slider to -0.5, or the default will be too bright.

 

For workflow convenience, you can use presets in Camera Raw / Lightroom to take care of both (e.g., simultaneously set the profile to "Camera Standard" and set Exposure to -0.5).

 

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Installation

 

If you are on Mac OS X, drag the "Camera v3 beta" folder to:

 

    /Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles

 

If you are on Windows XP, drag the "Camera v3 beta" folder to:

 

    C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles

 

If you are on Windows Vista or Windows 7, drag the "Camera v3 beta" folder to:

 

    C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles

 

Note that the above path on Windows Vista and Windows 7 may be hidden by default. Check your folder settings.

 

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Feedback

 

The profiles are currently in beta status. Please provide feedback via the online Adobe user-to-user forums here:

 

http://forums.adobe.com/community/cameraraw
http://forums.adobe.com/community/lightroom

 

Thank you!

 
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    Jan 20, 2011 10:23 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    I was very excited when you`ve made a v2 profile. It was already enough to feel calm about quality of the photos compared to "oficial" profiles.

     

    So this is actually a nice present for all of us! Thanks very much. I`m going to try them soon!

     
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    Jan 20, 2011 12:07 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Managed to get it fixed Looking forward to playing around with v3. Thanks!

     
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    Jan 20, 2011 1:01 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Many thanks: I will let you know impressions and results.

     

    Best regards

     
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    Jan 20, 2011 2:13 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Thanks. I have had no trouble with beta 2, but am now trying out beta 2 with -.50 exposure as a preset/s. These profiles I find particularly valuable for "portraits" and "landscape" (D700).  Paul

     
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    Jan 20, 2011 4:10 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Eric,

     

    I shot some studio portraits today (strobe w/softbox) -- D3 with Picture Control set to Neutral.  Using the new Camera Neutral v3 profile in LR and setting the Exposure to -0.50 as you suggest, not only does the image match exactly how Nikon ViewNX displays the image, but more importantly, it looks dead-on perfect!  I use pre-set WB in the camera reading off a gray card, and I evaluate exposure using the histogram.  The RGB values in LR, reading a shot of the gray card, are within 0.1%!  You can't get much closer than that.

     

    I mention the comparison between the image display in LR and ViewNX only because I know that's a real issue to some users.  What is important to all of us is that we get predictable results, and I am delighted at how good Camera Neutral v3 (w/exposure adjustment) looks.

     

    Three cheers and many thanks!

     

    John

     
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    Jan 20, 2011 5:41 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Eric,

     

    Are there any updated profiles for the Nikon D90, either available now or in the pipeline?  I am noticing quite a bit of magenta/cyan banding or posterization in some of my shots, most noticable in the darker areas of a scene.  The problem seems to be worse for the Camera profiles compared with the Adobe Standard profile.  An example can be seen here http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/5282936170/photos/852996/last-light

     

    Tony

     
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    Jan 20, 2011 8:45 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    MadManChan2000 wrote:

     

    Hi everyone,

     

    I have posted a zip file containing updated "Camera" color profiles (Camera Standard, Camera Neutral, etc.) for the Nikon D3, Nikon D300, and Nikon D700. The zip file contains a copy of the readme, but I'll post it here for convenience, too:

     

    These updated Camera v3 beta profiles for the Nikon D3, Nikon D300, and Nikon D700 are designed to reduce banding and highlight color artifacts. They also address the "too bright" tone curve issues with the previous "v2" version of the D3 and D700 profiles.

     

    IMPORTANT NOTE: When using these v3 beta profiles, if you wish to match the default tonality of Nikon's Picture Controls (e.g., match View NX / Capture NX), you must set the Exposure slider in Camera Raw / Lightroom to -0.5.

     


     

    Eric,

     

    I will download the new profiles shortly. Even with the old V2 D3 profile I have been using an exposure offset of -0.5EV as indicated in the BaselineExposure value of +0.5 EV in the EXIF of the DNG conversion.  I'm confused.

     
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    Jan 21, 2011 8:29 AM   in reply to Bill_Janes

    Eric,

     

    If I believe I have an image that appears to be rendered wrongly (purple banding) what would be the process? I send you the NEF in question? I send you an NX2 rendered JPEG as well for comparisons? Or you already have NX2 and only need the NEF.

     

    BTW, I've deployed the V3 D700 profiles. I've changed my default settings to have Exposure dialed down by -0.5 EV. I'd say the colors are really close to be bang on, but there's this purple fringing/banding that is not present under NX2.

     

    Trying to help...

     
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    Jan 21, 2011 10:22 AM   in reply to cunningham64

    Very interesting, many thanks: I am normally exposing to the right, and the

    V2 profiles were good for me with a bit of underexposure, around - 0,3 ;

    -0,5 mostly for landscape.

    I thank you for your message.

    I did try today with the V3 on a landscape: it match almost the Nikon

    picture.

    I will not delete the V2, they are quite useful, depending from the picture.

    Have a nice day and best regards.

    Alessandro

     
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    Jan 21, 2011 10:23 AM   in reply to John Blaustein

    Very interesting, many thanks: I am normally exposing to the right, and the

    V2 profiles were good for me with a bit of underexposure, around - 0,3 ;

    -0,5 mostly for landscape.

    I did try today with the V3 on a landscape: it match almost the Nikon

    picture.

    I will not delete the V2, they are quite useful, depending from the picture.

    Have a nice day and best regards.

    Alessandro

     
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    Jan 22, 2011 9:29 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Hi Eric,

     

    As I mentioned in an earlier post, the v3 profiles are working very well for me.  I have a question: why didn't you build the -0.5 Exposure adjustment into the profiles, rather than requiring the user make that adjustment?  I don't see this as a problem, but I am curious since the -0.5 adjustment seems necessary whether one it trying to match the Nikon software or not.

     

    John

     
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    Jan 22, 2011 9:41 AM   in reply to John Blaustein

    It's because ACR assumes that exposure slider at 0 actually means exposure correction of +0.5 EV for this camera model, so with expsure slider at 0, upper 0.5 EV of histogram is clipped

     

    If this bothers you, there is a workaround - convert NEF to DNG, then change BaselineExposure tag in a dng from 0.5 to 0. There are several utilities for this

     

    Or wait for some future version of ACR where this will be solved

     
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    Jan 22, 2011 12:14 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Thank you for this profiles! After first impressions these profiles very useful for my Canons 350D, 20D, 30D and 5D. I use them to mimic Nikon colours on Canon without buying Nikon gear. ;-)

     
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    Jan 22, 2011 2:58 PM   in reply to Vit Novak

    Vit,

     

    Thank you for the explanation.  No, it does not bother me.  I was just curious.  Making the -0.5 correction in LR is so easy that no further workaround is necessary.

     

    John

     
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    Jan 23, 2011 2:51 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    To apply the new V3 presets to an already finished development using the previous profiles the possibility to use a relative preset to adjust that -0,5 compensation would be very useful. Well, relative presets have beem discussed and requested several times before ....

     

    Cheers Roy

     
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    Jan 23, 2011 8:35 AM   in reply to Vit Novak

    Vit Novak wrote:

     

    It's because ACR assumes that exposure slider at 0 actually means exposure correction of +0.5 EV for this camera model, so with expsure slider at 0, upper 0.5 EV of histogram is clipped

     

    If this bothers you, there is a workaround - convert NEF to DNG, then change BaselineExposure tag in a dng from 0.5 to 0. There are several utilities for this

     

    Or wait for some future version of ACR where this will be solved

     

    The BaselineExposure used by the DNG spec and ACR can complicate ETTR exposure. A uniformly lit surface, when exposed as determined by the standard ISO light meter, should result in 0.18/sqrt(2) or 12.7% saturation of the sensor according to the ISO 12232 saturation standard. This is the standard used by DXO and it allows 0.5 EV highlight headroom. For ETTR exposure, no (or minimum) headroom is desired and mid-gray (18% reflection) is 2.5 stops below 100%.

     

    For example, I exposed a gray card according to the camera light meter reading with the Nikon D3. The resulting 12 bit data number was 497 and the saturation is 497/4095 = 12.1 % saturation, which is very close to the expected value of 12.7%, confirming that the light meter and sensor are properly calibrated. The corresponding pixel value in 8 bit sRGB is 99.8 as shown.

     

    Rawnalize001.png

     

    The raw file can be rendered into sRGB with in camera processing or Nikon NX2, which closely approximates in camera processing. With the Standard Picture Control, the camera sRGB value is 150. This is a hot tone curve and the a highlight with 100% reflectance would be clipped. The table below shows the results with ACR and various presets. If one uses the Adobe Standard camera profile, the sRGB value is 162 rather than the expected 99.8 Other combinations are shown. To get the proper value for mid-gray one must use a linear tone curve (sliders on main tab set to zero and a linear point curve) and an exposure correction of -0.5 EV to compensate for the +0.5 EV BaselineExposure. With no exposure correction and a linear TRC, the sRGB value would be 116, very close to the calculated sRGB value of 117 for mid-gray (18%). However, the linear TRC gives a flat appearing image.

     

    The take home point is that if you use Adobe Standard with no exposure compensation with ETTR, your images will appear overexposed and lead to cutting back on the camera expoure. The raw file highlights will have values well under sensor saturation.

     

    ExceGrayCard.gif

     
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    Jan 23, 2011 2:16 PM   in reply to ronagel

    ronagel wrote:

     

    To apply the new V3 presets to an already finished development using the previous profiles the possibility to use a relative preset to adjust that -0,5 compensation would be very useful. Well, relative presets have beem discussed and requested several times before ....


    When I first experimented with DNG Profile Editor and ColorChecker photos, I looked into adjusting the tone curve too. I found that a lot of my already-processed images were overexposed with my new test profiles, and I thought that the best way to fix this would have been built-in exposure compensation, but I couldn't work out how to do this with any success.

     

    Eventually, I settled on a slightly-modified version of the Adobe Standard curve, and a -0.30 default Exposure setting. Consequently, any photos I updated with a new profile needed to be adjusted by -1/3 of a stop. It would have been much simpler if this could have been done in the profile itself.

     
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    Jan 24, 2011 9:33 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    It's not a big problem, Eric. Just providing (hopefully helpful) feedback.

     

    Something else which would be helpful, as well as exposure compensation, would be a camera profile global saturation setting. I found that home-rolled profiles lacked saturation, and I had to dial in anything from 5 to 15 on the ACR Saturation default to compensate. I wasn't sure how to do this using the patch table in DNGPE, so I didn't attempt it.

     

    I appreciate that this is more an aesthetic adjustment than a scientific one, so I would understand if this wasn't considered a good idea from a development point of view.

     
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    Jan 28, 2011 7:16 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    MadManChan2000 wrote:

     

    Hi Yammer P, one way to "build in" the global saturation boost to the profile is to visit the Color Matrices pane in DNG Profile Editor and to boost the Saturation of the Red Primary, Green Primary, and Blue Primary sliders by the same amount. Then export/save a new profile.

     

    Thanks, Eric. I didn't realise it would be as simple as that!

     

    I wasn't sure at what stage of the adjustment the Color Matrices would apply, and if it would interfere with the adjustments made in the Colour Tables, so it's good to know it's a reasonable way to work.

     

    I've just regenerated a profile with built-in saturation and done an A/B comparison with my existing profile with saturation compensation. There's a very tiny difference, but this may be down to colorchecker sample points and/or manual white balance adjustment.

     
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    Jan 30, 2011 11:43 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    I have downloaded the file and dragged it where stated but I cannot find it in ACR?  Help please.

     
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    Feb 1, 2011 1:54 AM   in reply to anthonyfsmith

    Where did you put it, and what else is there?

     
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    Feb 1, 2011 7:52 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    MadManChan2000,

     

    I see that you've taken a lot of time and care to generate and improve these profiles. Thank you.

     

    This makes me question if the same level of care can be expected of new profiles for the D7000. It's been 3 years since some of these models have been released.

     

    Are these camera's particularly problematic? Is any similar activity going on for the D7k?

     

    Again, thanks for this.

     

    -Ed

     
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    Feb 1, 2011 9:17 AM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    I'm not sure if I missed the start of all this, but is there a reason behind all these betas? And is there likely ever to be a v.2 instead?

     
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    Feb 1, 2011 9:19 AM   in reply to Yammer

    (and when I say v2, I mean an official release, not a beta)

     
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    Feb 1, 2011 9:54 AM   in reply to Yammer

    As you probably noted, default exposure setting for latest v3 profiles is -0.5 EV, which is probably slightly "strange" for some users, so (as mentioned by Eric), some changes in code and dng specification are needed to avoid this. I suppose that's the main reason why these profiles are still in beta status. Also, it looks like Adobe team is still improving calibration procedure, as every new beta version of these profiles is better. According to my tests, v3 for D700 is almost spot on (well, shadow area needs some further work - LUT value segment 0 still not calibrated yet, but is a simple copy of value segment 1, and default blacks = 5 for camera profiles is not the best solution in my opinion - if someone wants "v3.1" profile for D700, drop a note here, I'll publish my version)

     
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    Feb 2, 2011 10:39 AM   in reply to Vit Novak

    Why does the DNG Profile Editor have problems when using version 2 and version 3 profiles?  It appears to work ok with the Color Tables and Tone Curve tabs, but not with the Color Matrices and Chart Tabs.  I was trying to modify contrast using the Tone Curve and Saturation using the Color Matrices tab to match adjustments I made to Nikon D2X Mode2 and Neutral profiles in the D700 camera.  The modifications work if I use the official released versions of Camera D2X Mode2 and Camera Neutral profiles, but not versions 2 or 3 of the same profiles.

     
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    Feb 2, 2011 10:52 AM   in reply to b2martin_a

    DNG PE was made before v2 profiles. Those profiles (and v3) have special values in forward matrices. Moving hue and saturation sliders in calibration pane changes these matrices, so I think it's better not to touch them

     
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    Feb 2, 2011 11:35 AM   in reply to Vit Novak

    Does this mean we'll have a new improved version of DNG Profile Editor to look forward to?

     
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    Feb 3, 2011 7:07 PM   in reply to Vit Novak

    Vit, would you mind posting your "v3.1" profile for the D700?  I'm also finding that the blacks = 5 value is getting rid of quite a bit of shadow detail in some cases (when compared to View NX 2).  Other than that, this seems to be a great profile.  Thanks.

     
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    Feb 3, 2011 8:54 PM   in reply to Vit Novak

    Vit, it would be nice to test yu V3.1 D 700 profiles.

    Many thanks if you can make available such profiles.

    best regards

     
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    Feb 4, 2011 12:09 AM   in reply to Lucca man

    I posted a link to it in the topic "Quality of Camera profiles measured (D700)"

     
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    Feb 5, 2011 10:42 AM   in reply to Vit Novak

    Dear Sir,

    many thanks for your kind profile!

    I downloaded it and I will check in the incoming days, providing you a feedback.

     

    best regards

     
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    Feb 7, 2011 12:34 PM   in reply to Shutterscript

    Does anyone know of anything like this for LR that is available for Canon?

    Thanks

    Jonathan

     
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    Feb 7, 2011 12:34 PM   in reply to MadManChan2000

    Sorry, I doubled up by mistake. Does anyone know of anything like this for LR that is available for Canon?

    Thanks

    Jonathan

     
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