Companies such as Adobe do not consider themselves to be 'American' companiesthey don't want any part of that except to know that our armed forces will protect their buildings here from foreign attackother than that they couldn't care less. Actually I'm sure they don't give much thought to that stuff at all; most of their focus is on payroll & taxation levels here. The entire development team for PhotoShop is in India, the CEO of Adobe is from India, which tells all you need to know about the American nature of Adobe.
Adobe is a global company. Global companies view nations the way McDonald's views restaurant locations in Florida.
I agree with you and I too have all the previous editions of PSE you mention.
Having been the user who started this discussion off, please can I put in a plea that we try to avoid playing a nationalistic kind of blame game regarding the software engineers, countries of present, past or future origin and all that stuff about Adobe itself. In any case, I am a UK user and so are some of the others back in this discussion.
The point is that this problem with PSE 9 is a really BIG PROBLEM - it seriously impacts upon the use of PSE 9 EVERYTIME it is used for downloading images. The range of implications of this BUG/INAPPRORIATE FEATURE (or whatever it is called) is very well deocumented in the experiences of the users in the discussion and also, HOPEFULLY, too in our reports of this BUG to Adobe.
Across the world there must be a growing and significant number of users that are impacted by the lack of control when downloading images.
Yes, there IS a real problem and issue about the fact that Adobe's minimum spec is at variance with the screen resolutions that we (and and a growing number many others worldwide) have/will have.
All I want is for Adobe to recognize and accept this sorry state of affairs created by Adobe in its current design/production of PSE 9 and to get a quick update written and available to correct it. This situation has been going on for long enough. Come on Adobe, take ownership of the problem and put it right and instead of frustrating your users with their experience of PSE 9 (and then, as can be read in the discussion, frustrations of the company itself).
Just do it. PLEASE (thanks)
Yes I do believe origin of design engineers has nothing to do with the
problem.
All I want is MY original configuration of the ORGANIZER is that IT IS NO
LONGER AN ORGANIZER without the original design of the ORGANIZER. The
Organizer should and always has been a way to manage your photos in files. Tags
and such were always in my mind a way to designate certain photos as a SUB
Category within all those files. For instance I always liked putting
pictures of my children and grandchildren in one file separate from photos of
friends or acquaintances but the tags allowed for pulling all PEOPLE pics up
if I wanted too. Or Landscapes could be tagged , but Landscapes in S Dakota
could be in a S Dakota file that also had photos of vacation pics tagged as
such but Landscapes in Delaware could be placed in a FILE designated as
DELAWARE Photos and then TAGGED as LANDSCAPES. I find this new way annoying
and want ADOBE to give us back our ORGANIZE your files as YOU SEE FIT
option.!!
In a message dated 1/5/2011 4:36:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
forums@adobe.com writes:
I agree with you and I too have all the previous editions of PSE you
mention.
Having been the user who started this discussion off, please can I put in
a plea that we try to avoid playing a nationalistic kind of blame game
regarding the software engineers, countries of present, past or future origin
and all that stuff about Adobe itself. In any case, I am a UK user and so
are some of the others back in this discussion.
The point is that this problem with PSE 9 is a really BIG PROBLEM - it
seriously impacts upon the use of PSE 9 EVERYTIME it is used for downloading
images. The range of implications of this BUG/INAPPRORIATE FEATURE (or
whatever it is called) is very well documented in the experiences of the users
in the discussion and also, HOPEFULLY, too in our reports of this BUG to
Adobe.
Across the world there must be a growing and significant number of users
that are impacted by the lack of control when downloading images.
Yes, there IS a real problem and issue about the fact that Adobe's minimum
spec is at variance with the screen resolutions that we (and a growing
number many others worldwide) have/will have.
All I want is for Adobe to recognize and accept this sorry state of
affairs created by Adobe in its current design/production of PSE 9 and to get a
quick update written and available to correct it. This situation has been
going on for long enough. Come on Adobe, take ownership of the problem and
put it right and instead of frustrating your users with their experience of
PSE 9 (and then, as can be read in the discussion, frustrations of the
company itself).
Just do it. PLEASE (thanks)
Apparently this IS too much for their developers to handle, particularly when Adobe continues to stonwall this issue by claiming that this is a feature, not a bug. But it IS false advertising & misleading to its customers.'
I hope someone in India realizes that you reap what you sow. In India it is called karma.
I reserve the right to complain about this problem as long as I want until
it is fixed!! As the saying goes "Patience is a virtue seldom found in
women and never found in men!!
In a message dated 1/6/2011 6:55:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
forums@adobe.com writes:
Be patient folks. I have reason to believe that a resolution will be
coming soon...
Patience is a virtue, but keep in mind that this was a version release, not an entirely NEW bit of software. If you believe Adobe's comments about this, this 'feature' was the result of conscious, deliberate decisionmaking by designers, not some programming error and a failure of QA. It met the specs because this was PART of the specs.
If the guy is right and Adobe will fix this, that's just ducky. But the fact remains that this 'feature' shouldn't have been there in the first place. It brings any number of things into question, not the least of which is the judgement of users to BUY this software.
This kind of acceptance of software design, whatever misery it brings to users, has been going on for 30 years. This is what I would call soft engineering. Design bridges like this and people die; design software packages like this and we get to hear guys speaking Hindi tell us about the features.
well good for them. Still bad for us USERS!!! I want it fixed now...which
should not be a big problem for these people that design such things
In a message dated 1/7/2011 5:34:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
forums@adobe.com writes:
Adobe Support called me this afternoon. They said that Adobe realizes that
this is a real problem that affects a lot of users.
They are working on a patch to fix the problem.
The support rep did not give me an estimate on when the patch would be
out.
That is GREAT news Pfredd! Thank you for your diligence! And I must say, that I have had only positive outcomes with Adobe Support in the past (all the way back to Elements 3) I am very attached to my PE organizer (yes, I am probably the ONLY person in the world who purchases PE for the Organizer!) and am glad to know that I will be able to use it as I always have in the future!
Do you think we should conmtinue to send in feature requests/bug reports?
Well certainly you are not the only one that uses PE for the organizer.
But it is one of the features that I most appreciated and used for all my
ORGANIZING of photos. Otherwise why even HAVE AN ORGANIZER in the program
that DOES NOT ORGANIZE
In a message dated 1/8/2011 3:18:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
forums@adobe.com writes:
That is GREAT news Pfredd! Thank you for your diligence! And I must say,
that I have had only positive outcomes with Adobe Support in the past (all
the way back to Elements 3) I am very attached to my PE organizer (yes, I
am probably the ONLY person in the world who purchases PE for the
Organizer!) and am glad to know that I will be able to use it as I always have in
the future!
Do you think we should conmtinue to send in feature requests/bug reports?
Yes, this is GREAT NEWS and thanks to all and especially Pfredd99 for keeping on the case and for keeping the forum informed. I only hope that it won't be long before the patch is written and available as I for one, am desperate to have it.
To respond to Michael's question about whether forum readers should continue to report this BUG/Feature Request - yes, I think that new readers should, as it can only add weight to the number of users that are reporting the problem (just in case the work-priority for getting the patch completed by Adobe software engineers needs reminding and can thereby be helped).
1366 x 768
So you're suggesting that 1024 x 576 is the MAXIMUM display resolution for which PSE9 is designed. Guess we might think that should be a MINIMUM resolution.
I can adjust resolution, but 1024 x 576 is not an option.
I'm trying to figure out why a photo editor is demanding LESS display resolution than our computers are capable of. There is something seriously wrong with this story.
And it seems to me that previous versions of PSE had a different resolution requirement than does PSE9.
But here is what I know about my laptop PC, PSE and the selection feature in question:
- I'm running PSE5 on another, older HP laptop just fine, and that image selection feature appears & works just fine when bringing in images from a media card.
- PSE9 runs on my current most-used HP laptop running Windows 7 just fine, except that image selection feature does NOT appear--this is the issue in the Forums. I do not know what other subtle features may not be functioning with this configuration, but I suppose there may be some.
- If PSE9 will not run properly on the common, capable laptops produced by HP these days, there is a serious problem. What company is the largest producer of laptops now?
I appreciate your attention to this issue, and we can only assume that Adobe understands that perception IS reality. PSE9 works or it doesn't; suggestions that we don't have the right hardware or drivers, and that our display resolution is too high for photo editing seem unhelpful.
Regards,
Chris Rasmussen
You can run pse9 at any display resolution you choose, but lower
(smaller numbers) display resolutions may not provide all the functions
of pse9 i.e the advanced dialog of the photo downloader or elements may not
even start.
If you use a display resolution of say 1024 x 576, then some functions will not work
(some dialogs may not show), but if you switch to a display resolution of 1024 x 800
or higher (bigger numbers), then everything should work hopefully.
The way adobe words the screen resolution requirements is very confusing.
They should say for everything to work in photoshop elements 9, you need
"this" minimum screen resolution instead of just listing the resolution for elements to even run
though everything may still not work at that listed minimum screen resolution.
MTSTUNER
What gets me is that no matter how many times you tell adobe that you meet the requirements they listed and still have the problem they keep asking you to check your screen resolution. You give them the info and show there is a problem, they don't listen.
I'm also having a problem with creating a greeting card. I'm working through the classroom in a book for elements 9, it's how i found out about the missing advanced dialog box. now on page 118 you are making a greeting card, you are asked to select the kodak gallery size 5.00 x 7.00 inches (flat, portrait). mine is in mm. they then direct you to select the layouts button under create and you should see some basic templates from which you must select one.
problem is, i don't see the templates, there is nothing under layouts. in the size gallery i have options of kodak, shutterfly and local print, everything except local print is empty under layouts.
if the book, written by the adobe team, says it's there why am i seeing nothing?
anyone else having this problem?
Adobe shows the following among the system requirements for PSE9:
"1024x576 display resolution at 96dpi or less"
Now what does this mean to you? The 'or less' phrase suggests strongly that 1024x576 is the MAXIMUM resolution, not the MINIMUM resolution at which PSE9 will run. This, of course, is crazy.
1024x576 is not an option on my HP notebook. It runs at a maximum resolution of 1366x768, but the display controls permit the display resolution to be set to one of several lower resolutions, down to 800x600, but 1024x576 is not an option.
We are told that PSE9 will prevent the Advanced Dialog from functioning if the display resolution of the vertical res is less than 800. So what does this have to do with their stated requirement for a vertical res of 576?!
This is a problem on my PC, a Hewlett-Packard notebook. From what I can tell virtually ALL HP notebooks have a maximium display resolution of 1366x768. HP is the largest maker of PC's in the world, so how Adobe could design PSE9 that prevents full function at a vertical resolution less than 800 is, well, bizarre.
HP does have a line of notebooke called EliteBook, that have a maximum display resolution of 1600x900; perhaps this is the target PC for PSE9. You can pick one up for $1300! It has Nvidia graphics. Or how about the $1600 HP Envy laptop with full HD display resolution (1080 vertical res)?
But for HP Pavilions, forget it, I guess.
the whole this is BS anyway. One reason to use PSE9 is to catalogue your
photos and to place them when downloading from camera or card where you want
them and to also be able to name the photos what the user wants to name
them. Just as in past editions of photoshop. I do not want Bird pics in my
FAMILY File Folder or Family pics in my Birds Folder.. Resolution should have
nothing to do with this rather simple step I should think
Michael E Smith
In a message dated 2/7/2011 11:23:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
forums@adobe.com writes:
Adobe shows the following among the system requirements for PSE9:
"1024x576 display resolution at 96dpi or less"
Now what does this mean to you? The 'or less' phrase suggests strongly
that 1024x576 is the MAXIMUM resolution, not the MINIMUM resolution at which
PSE9 will run. This, of course, is crazy.
1024x576 is not an option on my HP notebook. It runs at a maximum
resolution of 1366x768, but the display controls permit the display resolution to
be set to one of several lower resolutions, down to 800x600, but 1024x576 is
not an option.
We are told that PSE9 will prevent the Advanced Dialog from functioning if
the display resolution of the vertical res is less than 800. So what does
this have to do with their stated requirement for a vertical res of 576?!
This is a problem on my PC, a Hewlett-Packard notebook. From what I can
tell virtually ALL HP notebooks have a maximium display resolution of
1366x768. HP is the largest maker of PC's in the world, so how Adobe could design
PSE9 that prevents full function at a vertical resolution less than 800 is,
well, bizarre.
HP does have a line of notebooke called EliteBook, that have a maximum
display resolution of 1600x900; perhaps this is the target PC for PSE9. You
can pick one up for $1300! It has Nvidia graphics. Or how about the $1600 HP
Envy laptop with full HD display resolution (1080 vertical res)?
But for HP Pavilions, forget it, I guess.
I am getting REALLY fed up (and more than a bit frustrated too) waiting for Adobe to put this problem right. It is slightly more than a month now since Pfredd99 got her call from Adobe to say that they were aware of this problem with PSE 9 and the difficulties it is causing AND that they were working on a solution.
Were they just fobbing us off? How long does it need? Is it too unreasonable to expect it to be corrected by now? This problem has existed for so many months now - it was September when I started this discussion! Can't we be given a date when Adobe are aiming to make their solution available?
Meanwhile, this aspect of using PSE is absolutely awful and is doing no one any good, not least of all Adobe's reputation.
By the way, even if HP are the biggest manufacturer of laptops that don't have a resolution that can cope with Adobe's mucked up resolution issue, they are by no means the only laptop manufacturer that falls into this same situation, Sony, Toshiba to mention only some.....this is EXACTLY the problem, Adobe have created one BIG problem for a huge number of PSE users and, as I have said many times in this discussion, it is a growing number. Buy a new PC Notebook/laptop and the chances are that PSE will not perform correctly on it with regard to PSE downloader/advanced dialogue option. Ahhhhhhhhh
resolution issue should never have been a problem at all...why can they
not just revert back to the file system that was there before. What does
resolution have to do with the ADVANCED Dialogue they had before when uploading
pics to the MyPictures file...not a computer nerd here ut why change
something that wasn't broken in the first place!!!!!!!...I am seriously
considering never buying or using any adobe products ever again.
In a message dated 2/9/2011 6:32:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
forums@adobe.com writes:
I am getting REALLY fed up (and more than a bit frustrated too) waiting
for Adobe to put this problem right. It is slightly more than a month now
since Pfredd99 got her call from Adobe to say that they were aware of this
problem with PSE 9 and the difficulties it is causing AND that they were
working on a solution.
Were they just fobbing us off? How long does it need? Is it too
unreasonable to expect it to be corrected by now (it has existed for months now
since the product was launched of course)? Can't we be given a date when
Adobe are aiming to make their solution available?
Meanwhile, this aspect of using PSE is *absolutely awful and is doing no
one any good, not least of all Adobe's reputation.*
By the way, even if HP are the biggest manufacturer of laptops that don't
have a resolution that can cope with Adobe's mucked up resolution issue,
they are by no means the only laptop manufacturer that falls into this same
situation, Sony, Toshiba to mention only some.....this is EXACTLY the
problem, Adobe have created one BIG problem for a huge number of PSE users and,
as I have said many times in this discussion, it is a growing number. Buy a
new PC Notebook/laptop and the chances are that PSE will not perform
correctly on it with regard to PSE downloader/advanced dialogue option.
Ahhhhhhhhh
I've dumped Organiser as a lost cause and just focus on Editor, which means half of my money invested in the program and half in the textbook has been wasted. I won't be ugrading on the next PSE, Instead I'll look at other programs. Can't sell my program copy and I've written too many notes in the book so no one will want either. Lesson learned. Why pay for a faulty PSE when I can get GIMP for free.
All Adobe really has to do for me to be happy camper is to get the
organizer back to where it was before PSE9..how ******* hard could that be? Now I
have to download everything in PICASA another FREE Google organzer prgram
then opmn up the PSE9 prgram and tell it to open files. A step that I didn't
have to take before.Plus sometimes Picasa loses my EXIF data which when
entering pics in some contest eliminates my entries. It Sucks Really Sucks!!
In a message dated 2/12/2011 6:46:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
forums@adobe.com writes:
I've dumped Organiser as a lost cause and just focus on Editor, which
means half of my money invested in the program and half in the textbook has
been wasted. I won't be ugrading on the next PSE, Instead I'll look at other
programs. Can't sell my program copy and I've written too many notes in
the book so no one will want either. Lesson learned. Why pay for a faulty
PSE when I can get GIMP for free.
Yes Michael, I agree, all I want is for Adobe to come up with their promised patch and get PSE 9 working with the advanced downloader option like it did in other versions. It was Jan 7th that Pfredd99 got a call from Adobe Support to say that "Adobe realizes that this is a real problem that affects a lot of users and that they are working on a patch to fix the problem"
And here we are, all these months later since the launch of PSE 9 and weeks after this so called Adobe undertaking given to Pfredd99 to come up with a patch. Come on PLEASE Adobe, (we know some of you read and react to this forum) take your ownership of this problem seriously, hurry up and release the wonder patch or at the very least, add an update to this discussion to keep us informed as to how things currently stand in respect of the release of the patch.
I almost feel like going to the BBB for failed promises as stipulated in a
contract that seems to me to be one of a promise to make things better and
failure to fulfill that obligation ..Still I love the editing portions as
I always have but this has become a real downfall in their obligation to me
and all purchasers of this product
In a message dated 2/23/2011 2:53:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
forums@adobe.com writes:
Yes Michael, I agree, all I want is for Adobe to come up with their
promised patch and get PSE 9 working with the advanced downloader option like it
did in other versions. It was Jan 7th that Pfredd99 got a call from Adobe
Support to say that "Adobe realizes that this is a real problem that affects
a lot of users and that they are working on a patch to fix the problem"
And here we are, all these months later since the launch of PSE 9 and
weeks after this so called Adobe undertaking given to Pfredd99 to come up
with a patch. Come on PLEASE, take your ownership of this problem
seriously, hurry up and release the wonder patch *or at the very least, add an
update to this discussion to keep us informed. *
I too have submitted a bug report form since the advanced dialog box is not available on either my Vista desktop or Windows 7 laptop. I mentioned in it that it should definitely be considered a bug rather than some 'intended functionality' feature as it renders the photo downloader as basically useless.
kimjane16 wrote:
I too have submitted a bug report form since the advanced dialog box is not available on either my Vista desktop or Windows 7 laptop. I mentioned in it that it should definitely be considered a bug rather than some 'intended functionality' feature as it renders the photo downloader as basically useless.
Thanks for doing this and especially too for keeping this discussion group informed. Back on December 2nd phecdo suggested that when "we visited computer shows where Adobe has a booth/exhibition, to speak with Adobe's people on the scene" ... about this problem. Well, in the UK, c2 weeks ago, at our national Focus On Imaging Show, I did exactly that. I'm writing here to report that I received an understanding and positive response, along with an undertaking that this UK based, senior Adobe colleague, would take away the issue and establish via the US/India what the current situation is regarding the issue and status of the promised fix. I am currently waiting to hear back and will let you all know the result via this forum. Hopefully, the wait is nearing an end but in the meanwhile, I urge everyone who ever visits this forum and therefore suffering from this REALLY awful problem associated with using PSE 9, to keep reporting it and seeking a fix. Although, the status of this discussion says that the question is answered, that does NOT mean that the solution is answered!
I visited the forum page and found that I could no longer reply? What's up
with that? Anyway, four months ago I was full of hope that this bug would
be quickly fixed. Now, I just feel shafted! Adobe evidently does not care
about the people who purchase and use their product. I have submitted
another bug report, but my confidence that Adobe will ever do anything about
it is plummeting. I guess they are just expecting us to purchase a "fixed"
version 10. Well, not this gal! Who knows what bug will make the next PE
unusable!
Lamenda1967
I know EXACTLY how you feel! As my contributions to this discussion
show over the months since I started it in September 2010, the fact
that no-one at Adobe has accepted ownership of this issue and ever
attempted to keep us updated on this forum about the current
situation regarding this BUG, is really very regrettable (to say the
least and keep things polite!).
Hopefully, my contact with Adobe in the UK as detailed in yesterday's
thread, will be different and honorable, so watch this space.
However, we really should stick at this, so thanks Lamenda1967 for
submitting another bug report.
As regards finding that you could no longer answer the page, I too
found this problem for the first time yesterday, however, although I
was logged in, I found that by logging in again - without logging out - the reply buttons were there as normal !!
elemt
I have now heard back from my UK Adobe contact who has been in touch with the product team responsible for Elements. The good news is that they reaffirm that they acknowledge the issue (ref. link http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/894/cpsid_89429.html) and that they are working towards a solution. Unfortunately, they are currently unable to state when a solution might become available. However, when a fix does become available the KnowledgeBase article (above link), will be updated to direct customers to where they can obtain the patch.
So it's goodish news to know that the product team are definitely working on the problem. The not so good news is that even after all these months of waiting we still don't know how much longer we all have to wait. Do visit the knowledgeBase article which is a bit odd in that the problem is listed as existing in PSE 8 as well as PSE 9 - curious as it certainly isn't a problem in my copies of PSE 8. However, be that as it may, all we need is this patch ASAP, PLEASE!
Moderator Edit: Fixed the link
Quote: The Adobe Photo Downloader is an independent application that comes with Photoshop Elements Organizer. It has different system requirements, which are not published with the Photoshop Elements materials. These requirements include a higher screen resolution than Photoshop Elements requires to display the application correctly.
per there website, it doesn't look to me as they will fix this problem with the APD .
This still..in the vernacular of the ordinary man...SUCKS!!!
After all these years I know have to download pics thru another program
other the PSE!!! If it comes with PSE then why does it not Work With The
Editing Program!!!....It worked fine before and still I am hearing that gobble d
**** about this
Michael E Smith
In a message dated 4/6/2011 12:47:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
forums@adobe.com writes:
Quote: The Adobe Photo Downloader is an independent application that
comes with Photoshop Elements Organizer. It has different system requirements,
which are not published with the Photoshop Elements materials. These
requirements include a higher screen resolution than Photoshop Elements
requires to display the application correctly.
per there website, it doesn't look to me as they will fix this problem
with the APD .
Hi Michael and everyone else who contributed to or viewed this discussion that started 12 months ago.
It has taken a very long time to be sorted - and it still applies to PSE 9 - but the new version of PSE v 10 has restored the minimum display size that prevented use of the advanced downloader preference. Hopefully Mike, and others who were set to return or stop using PSE 9 will find this news welcome albeit requiring PSE 10.
If you go to this link you can see that MTSTUNER has tested PSE 10 out in this respect (thanks)
So now after UPGRADING to my latest version of PS9 I now must PURCHASE the
newest version TO GET WHAT I WAS ALREADY GETTING in prior versions?
In a message dated 9/22/2011 7:34:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
forums@adobe.com writes:
Re: Where is advanced Dialogue Preference in Elements 9?
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