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Build information at the bottom

Feb 28, 2011 2:37 PM

Hi,

 

Could you remove the build information about the incubator at the bottom of each player I see on the web.  This breaks my experience with the version.

Thank you

 

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    Feb 28, 2011 4:29 PM   in reply to Geardoom

    The Incubator build is for development and testing, not regular everyday usage.

     
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    Mar 1, 2011 4:31 AM   in reply to Evan Miller

    anyway, it is annoying and might scare decision takers watching demos.

    please add a option (possibly in mm.cfg) to disable the text.

    thank you.

     
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    Mar 1, 2011 8:08 AM   in reply to tom.hensel

    With all due respect tom, your comments are the very reason why Adobe tends not to let things publically available this early. They are afraid that people like you will make comments/judgements like this. You need to understand a little bit about software development, this is called an alpha build. Yes they say it's a public beta but it's just been released, it's so fresh any developer would still classify this as an alpha. Adobe is TRYING to open it's doors to us, it's trying to ditch the old secretive, cloak and dagger business model and give us a real opportunity to provide useful, contructive feedback. Not complaining about aeshtetics on a product that brand spanking new (essentially) and still in development. So I think I speak on behalf of the Adobe team when I say, you're welcome for the opportunity to get exclusive preview access to this free software you didn't have to pay a dime for.

     
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    Mar 1, 2011 9:07 AM   in reply to Jesse Nicholson

    with all due respect, but your comment is the very reason why i do consider not using adobe technologies in the future. what you describe as opening doors is a long overdue step to provide early access to a properitary technology that struggles to survive due to the advances of concurrent approaches. if you intend to speak on behalf of the adobe team i'm sorry to say that your answer has this type of arrogance that i really dislike. and i agree, i'm not going to pay a dime for that.

     
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    Mar 2, 2011 12:14 AM   in reply to tom.hensel

    This preview release is designed for evaluation purposes only. We do not  recommended that this release be used on production systems or for any  mission-critical work. So the answer is no - there is no way to remove the watermark.

     

    I hope that once you show off the amazing things you can do with Flash, decisionmakers aren't going to focus too much on the fact that a tech preview has a watermark that is clearly not part of the final product.

     

    best

    Emmy

    Group Product Manager, Adobe Flash Runtimes

     
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    Mar 2, 2011 2:10 AM   in reply to Emmy Huang

    emmy, thanks for replying. i did not intend to use the preview release for production or even mission critical work at any time.

    could you please explain the purpose of the watermark?

    thank you!

     
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    Mar 2, 2011 2:12 AM   in reply to tom.hensel

    Why would the watermark be there you think?

     

    So people who use it see that they are actually using the correct webplayer and to remind everybody that this is a beta player.

     
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    Mar 2, 2011 2:15 AM   in reply to EducaSoft_Bart

    no beta or even preview release has been showing a watermark ever before.

     
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    Mar 2, 2011 2:30 AM   in reply to tom.hensel

    You asked WHY, I believe that the reason is given above.

     

    If they did not do this in past then its another thing. Obviously they decided to do it this time

     
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    Mar 2, 2011 2:31 AM   in reply to EducaSoft_Bart

    i do not believe in guessing, that is why i have asked emmy. thank you.

     
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    Mar 2, 2011 2:34 AM   in reply to tom.hensel

    You are such a polite person on the forum. Congratulation on your manners and have a good life. You're now on ignore here

     
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    Mar 2, 2011 3:08 AM   in reply to tom.hensel

    Not true.

    The test version for embeded TI SoaC devices (like the N900) shows a red bar to indicate it's pre-release, for instance.

     
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    Mar 2, 2011 4:24 AM   in reply to ChivertonT

    afaik this is not a public release.

     
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    Mar 2, 2011 4:46 AM   in reply to tom.hensel

    It was available on a public page of the TI site, where anyone could (and did !) apply to agree to the T+C's and download it. Much the same as Adobe Labs.

     
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    Mar 2, 2011 10:36 AM   in reply to tom.hensel

    Incubator builds are not preview, alpha or beta quality. It's before that state - this is code under active development. The watermark is a visual indicator of that fact. Many companies follow this practice for pre-release software - for example, Microsoft Windows pre-release builds have a watermark with version in the bottom right corner of the screen to indicate it an evaluation and not a final version.

     

    Also, Flash Player is one of the most widely distributed pieces of software and our audience is quite broad. End users are by far our biggest customer segment. We need to make sure people - developer or end user - that install Incubator builds know and understand what they're getting themselves into. In the past, we have seen links to previews and betas delivered out of context of the content we have on Labs that explains that pre-releases have not yet gone through security review, may not be stable, etc. These builds don't give users auto-update notification and can make it difficult for a user to install a release player (because it is a later version, or you must run the uninstaller before you install a different version).

     

    best,

    Emmy

     
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    Mar 6, 2011 9:00 AM   in reply to Geardoom

    first: sorry for my englsh:

     

    I think the problem is, that the most developers aren't 100% professionals. The most have only one computer for developing and for else.

    So when you have installed flashplayer 11  every swf in the internet have the build information.

     

    Couldn't it be possible to integrate in the context menu a button to switch display buidinformation on or off.

     

    I think flashplayer 11 is also flashplayer10.2 without any bugs.

     

    The bugs in the incubation build concern only the  core classes for 11??

     

     

    And should one normal user download and install flashplayer, he should be aware of using the buildinformation.

     

    OK. Perhaps a button in the context menu wouldn't be not so perfect, because normal users would forget using flashplaer11. But there should be a possibility to change a line in some configuration files to toggle display off.

     
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    Mar 6, 2011 10:28 AM   in reply to C__S

    I applaud you Emmy for your patience in dealing with these people.

     
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    Mar 12, 2011 8:10 PM   in reply to Geardoom

    Use Inteligent Navigator as Chrome, in  Chrome://plugins you can Disable your actual version of flash player an enable Incubator for test o evaluation, and for daly use enable your normal version and disable Incubator. Not unistall your actual version of flash player when install Incubator. Any way this bottom copyraight is a famous one more bad ideas of adobe genius. But Flash is exceptional, you have patients for small fails.

    Saludos amigos from Cancún México

    sorry for my short english

     
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    Mar 16, 2011 12:47 AM   in reply to Geardoom

    Going one step further, it would be handy for testing to display actual info like render mode and fps automatically down there, too, because many demos don't do so, and we can only guess which demo seems to fall back to software mode in some environments.

     

    I fully understand the watermark. GPU accelerated demos in flash are very interesting for a broad mass, and many non-developers will download the incubator build just to see some demos live. If there was no watermark, most users would leave this player as a standard as long as their daily flash apps like video portals i.e. are working. This behaviour could result in very many unstable builds around the world for a long time, even after final flash players 11 and even 12 are distributed.

    The watermark is the best direct way to avoid this.

     
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    Mar 16, 2011 1:32 AM   in reply to Jochen Diehl

    I have one additional idea.

     

    You can place a Button in the contextmenu, with which you can turn off this watermark for 30 times or so. After the player was started 30 times the watermark is shown again.

     

    I think the context menu fulfill security issues, because it also manage camera access and so on.

     
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    May 30, 2011 11:00 PM   in reply to Geardoom

    For those occasions where one wants the watermark to be invisible one can always make the stage high enough (or wide enough) such that the watermark is off the page.

     
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