I wonder if anyone could help with this problem in InDesign CS5.
Basically, transparent objects are disappearing when exporting to PDF. These are not 'non printing' objects. They are shapes drawn in InDesign.
It happens to some people in the office when creating shapes but not all. I wonder what differences there are in their settings to make this happen.
Can anyone suggest anything?
I am using a PC and viewing the PDFs in Acrobat professional.
The transparency is opacity. If I take the transparency away then then show up in the PDF.
It doesnt matter what PDF setting is used; high res/low res... it happens regardless.
As I said this is happening for some people in my company and not others (it doesnt happen when I create files). But if I open the troubled indesign files I have the same problem!
Thanks for your help
It could be caused by corrupted InDesign files. You should take one of those InDesign files which don't export properly and export as IDML. Then reopen the new file and export again.
If you're using spot colors and the blending mode is set to multiply (regardless of the opacity), the transparency will not show up. Try changing the spot color to process and see if that makes a difference. You can view the results under View>Overprint Preview before you make the PDF.
Hope this helps!
I'm not using sopt colours and effects are not set to multiply.
It views fine in overprint preview! the objects only disappear when exporting.
if I change the PDF compatibility for Acrobat 4 when exporting then it solves the problem (I think this version of Acrobat flattens all transparency) but this is not a solution for the long term...
I am having a similar problem, although it is not exactly the same.
ID CS5, fully updated.
I have a document that I've just built from scratch that uses an anchored frame to surround some text. The frame's opacity is set to 100% and blend mode is Overlay (to allow the text to show through, because an anchored object apparently won't go behind the text it's anchored to). The swatch is CMYK and not a Spot color.
It only happens to me when exporting to PDF.
The frame is there when I export to JPG or to EPS.
It isn't there with any of the default preset PDF modes, or any PDF document version from 1.3 to 1.7.
It doesn't appear in Acrobat Pro, in Preview, or if I pull it into Photoshop and rasterize.
I've got a sample right here:
The problem is the anchored box on the left-hand text frame. I am using an anchored frame like this so that InCopy users will stop breaking my frame locations.
I can confirm that these print to an EFI CWS-powered print engine without any issues. It seems like PDFs are the only problem.
I could export to EPS and distill them, I guess.
But really, should I have to open Distiller? I don't even know if Distiller will fix the problem.
I see that I forgot to mention that I was running OS X in my post. 10.6.6
I just wiped this machine last week, and reinstalled everything from discs, then did Adobe updater, due to an OS X error. Are you on a Mac or PC?
I have strange mixed results in Mac OS X 10.6.6 and InDesign CS5 7.0.3.
It exports correctly when I choose PDF/X-1a and PDF/X-4 PDF presets. But the frame is missing when I choose High Quality Print. I can't remember seeing anything like this before.
HQ Print and PDF/X-4 shouldn't flatten, but PDF/X-1a does flatten so I can't explain it.
Right, I figured that out. Not that it will necessarily make a difference, but why aren't you putting the text into that frame and anchoring the frame with the text in it? I really don't see a need for the whole tranparency/blend mode thing here, and the simpler the file, the more likely it is to export successfully.
If I didn't have to do something like that, believe me, I wouldn't.
My sample file is 1 entry. The last book I did of this format, there were 300+ entries, and 4 different "template sizes" between those 300 entries. Some of the entries need this box, and some don't, and that isn't necessarily determined until after the initial build-out of the layout.
Keep in mind, also that these are InCopy stories in the real version, and that 3-5 people are making edits to them, none of whom can be trusted with a copy of InDesign.
If I did as you suggest, I would end up with another 100+ story files, linked INSIDE existing story files (is that even possible?) and I would have to go back and forth with editors becuse the text boxes cannot be modified in InCopy.
The way it is now, I can do a GREP find/replace to add the anchored object at a "default" size that fits most of the entries, and then after the editors are done, I can go back and resize the boxes that need resizing to make it look like the text is inside the box, instead of under it.
I tried free-floating boxes behind the frames last month, and the amount of extra work required for me was not pleasant, to say the least.
None of that explains why visible, printable objects are disappearing when exported to PDF.
I'm back to doing edits for a project on deadline, but suppose you were to release the anchored frame after adjustment? Jongware wrote me a little script last year that will release all anchored objects in story. It could probably be edited to release all in the entire document.
Not, as you say, that that answers why it isn't working now, but it might be a workaround.
Hi there, i have the same problem with this opacity problem~
it's like sometimes when u set some colour shape not in 100% opacity
and when u export to PDF, IT DISAPPEAR!!!
I don't acutlly have the problem fixed~
but i have solution~
1 Step: set your tartget to 100% opacity first (it's best u have more than 2 targets)
2 Step: Group the target with something (best to group the targets together)
3 Step: change the opacity of the group
4 Setp: export it see how it works~
hope this can fix your problem
Having the same problem - Indesign CS5 on mac OS 10.7.2. Have tried exporting as idml and re-opening, have tried with overprint preview turned on in Acrobat. Have tried cutting and pasting box with text into a new document and it still happens with the new document?! And yet when I draw a new box and apply same opacity settings it is fine?! Unfortunately I have hundreds of these boxes throughout my document.
But I think exporting as IDML file might have something to do with it as I can retrace my steps: Did the original file on CS5; opened it on my home mac in CS5.5 and did some changes, exported as IDML to re-open on my work computer with CS5; did some more changes at work and this is when the problem happened. It's something about exporting as IDML and re-opening in CS5 as I can go back to my files on my home computer (with CS5.5), export as pdf and all the boxes are there in both the indesign AND the IDML file.
Ok, I've just opened up the CS5 document on my home computer ( I have my home macbook sitting next to my work mac desktop) and exported it again and problem solved - looks like an update to CS5.5 is due.
Pretty nasty in CS5 are spot colours underneath a transparent (cut out) PhotoShop file. On screen the file is OK, but you cannot print the PDF files correctly. The resulting PDF files are X3, so basically I didn't expect problems...
The workaround for this was to modify the colours from spot to process in InDesign, which caused other troubles, but did work!
Transparency since ever was a trouble maker and I don't like those troubles, so I avoid transparencies where I have the possibility.
Like I said, you need a full understanding of transparency and how it works, especially when spot colors are involved. While I admit that I do very little print work these days, even when I did, I didn’t have trouble with transparency.
I've never had a file with transparency fail to print, either, but I use only printers who have equipment (RIPs) capable of handling it. If your printer, who may do a very fine job of getting ink on the paper, doesn't have up to date technology then you might well have problems using transparency in your files.
PDF X/3 is the standard required by my printers. X/3 does not handle transparency in-RIP as opposed to X/4. I suspect a PDF error, as the file displays correctly but does not print correctly. We have found that one systematic transparency fail with CS5 was using spot colours the way we use them. The transparency is created by a Photoshop image, not a pure InDesign transparency.
Images: Snapshot from the PDF screen view and the print result of the PDF.
Using my Fiery or our built-in printer RIPs produces the same artefact as my professional external print service providers. Even the tinny print preview in Acrobat shows the error.
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The smaller image is too small to really see anything, and I'm not sure what problem I'm supposed to be seeing in the larger image. Are we talking about a shaded aree in the spot color behind the raster in the print? That's known as YDB (Yucky Discolored Box) Syndrome, and is a dual-layer RIP problem. It happens because during processing rasters are treated differently from vectors. There's a good article about it at InDesignSecrets » Blog Archive » Eliminating YDB (Yucky Discolored Box) Syndrome
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