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Lucien Schilling 166 posts
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Upscale SD Video to HD.

Apr 11, 2011 7:23 AM

I know that upscaling SD video is not the best solution, but I have existing old video clips that I want to insert soon into a new production. Now I wonder which tool could handle that best! Premiere? After Effects? Photoshop? some other third party tool?

 

I've seen some pretty good upscaled DigiBeta material but I don't know (yet) how it was done. But the quality is not bad at all!

 

Lucien.

 
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    Apr 11, 2011 7:25 AM   in reply to Lucien Schilling

    Instant HD (Pro) from RedGiant.

     
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    Apr 11, 2011 8:22 AM   in reply to Lucien Schilling

    You might want to check out Video Enhancer or, if you're comfortable with VirtualDub, the Super Resolution plugin available from Infognition: Video enhancement software, screen codec and DirectShow tools

     
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    May 7, 2012 2:22 PM   in reply to Lucien Schilling

    Hello Lucien,

    Please post your results. I am about to work on a similar scenario.  I am faced with do I spend over double my production budget to film in HD, or do I film in SD which is whthin budget and try to upscale for those who want Blu-Ray disks?

     
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    May 7, 2012 8:27 PM   in reply to gabjr99

    gabjr99 wrote:

     

    Hello Lucien,

    Please post your results. I am about to work on a similar scenario.  I am faced with do I spend over double my production budget to film in HD, or do I film in SD which is whthin budget and try to upscale for those who want Blu-Ray disks?

    upscaling is a decent workflow if you have to.... but you can definately tell its upsclaed and not true HD. i have Instant HD, and it looks decent, but aagin you can tell it was upscaled, just like watching all the fuzzy 720p on direcTV/cable. you can tell that crap is being upscaled to fit the 1080p display.

     
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    May 8, 2012 9:23 AM   in reply to gabjr99

    do I spend over double my production budget to film in HD

     

    If you want to ever deliver on Blu-ray, then yes.

     
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    May 7, 2012 11:54 PM   in reply to gabjr99

    do I spend over double my production budget to film in HD, or do I film in SD

     

     

    How does it double+ your budget?

     
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    May 9, 2012 8:03 AM   in reply to shooternz

    shooternz wrote:

     

     

     

    How does it double+ your budget?

    Hello,

    I usually film with 2 PANASONIC DVX-100A or similar which are SD cameras.  With 12 Mini DVD tapes my cost is $300 for 2 days of rental. This rental house is closed on the weekend. So I am paying for 1 day and getting it Friday night to Monday. I never have a problem with the quality or image in SD with SD delivery to DVD.

     

    I went to a new rental company to reserve 2 HPX170 Cameras to step up the quality and do HD. They are open 7 days per week. The rental house up-sold me to use 2 Sony XH1 cameras which will require two 32GB SxS cards. The prices are for 2 days of rental:

     

    2- Sony EX1 w/32GB SxS Card -- $560

    2- extra 32GB SxS Card -- $160

    City of Chicago Tax -- $57.60

    SUBTOTAL: $777.60

    - Questionnaire 10% Off -- $77.76

    TOTAL: $699.84

     

    Hence over double what I had planned.  What would you do? Upscale the SD, use the HPX170 which is not true 1080p, or go with the EX1?

     

     

    Is it worth it?  I am delivering 1000 replicated DVDs in standard definition.  Some footage will used as a fund raiser and shown on the "big screen" in a movie theater.

     

    Thanks!

     
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    May 9, 2012 8:16 AM   in reply to gabjr99

    I am delivering 1000 replicated DVDs in standard definition.

     

    When using SD as the delivery format, there is no sense is shooting and/or editing in HD.

     
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    May 9, 2012 9:43 AM   in reply to Harm Millaard

    I understand Harm.  I just want the option to deliver Blu-Ray disks when requested. Also this film will be viewed in a movie theater so I was seeking to capture the best image.

     

    (Sorry for going off topic guys.)

     
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    May 9, 2012 9:57 AM   in reply to gabjr99

    this film will be viewed in a movie theater

     

    Definitely go for the HD then.

     
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    May 9, 2012 12:35 PM   in reply to Jim Simon

    Bottom line, upscaled SD is only good if you have an HD timeline and need to add in SD footage to that timeline. You don't want a teeny picture in the middle of your screen, you want it to match.

     

    If you have an entire timeline of SD, it's pointless. most if not all, blu-ray players upscale SD to 1080 out of box. And will deliver the exact same results you would get using plug-ins to do it. Need proof? Produce the same timeline twice. One in 480 burned to DVD, and one in 480 upscale to 1080 with plugins burned to blu-ray, test both on an HDTV with the same bluray player. Results should be almost indiscernible.

     

    So basically commit to one medium and work with that. Commit to SD, or commit to HD. If you commit to HD save the rental and just finance a good HD camera it'll pay for itself within 5 or so of your rentals.

     
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    May 10, 2012 8:39 AM   in reply to Lucien Schilling

    Thanks Lucien,

    I just read on 2k vs. 4k which makes me question what I am doing thinking I can go into a theater. See: http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/the-truth-about-2k-4k-the-futu re-of-pixels  What type of rendering settings and delivery file format for a theater would I be able to get out of Premiere Pro CS5? Do I take a hard disk to the theater, Blu-Ray or do I need to go read a book and do some research?

     

     

    The Project:

    I have filmed a performing arts school for the past 6 years in SD.  They put on really big productions in a major Chicago theater.  I was thinking that this year I would film the entire show in HD, but deliver this year's show in SD as usual.  I would then take the HD footage from this year, find the best performances from the past 6 years which are SD, and edit it together for a film to be shown in a theater for a fund raiser for the school.

     

    When you say commit to one medium, since all of my footage is SD, it sounds like I should stick with SD..???

     

    Most indie productions I have seen in theaters have looked very bad, and the projection has been too dark.  Perhaps the theater was just projecting from some low lumen projector and not a theater projector???

     

    I need to go and talk to the theater that I am targeting.

     

    Thank you for your time and knowledge.

     
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    May 10, 2012 8:41 AM   in reply to Keith_Clark

    Thanks.  I get it load and clear.

     
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    May 10, 2012 8:55 AM   in reply to gabjr99

    Not necessarily. If 75% of your timeline would be from this years show, then i don't think it would be a bad choice to upscale clips from previous shows and add it to the timeline. If you are doing an entire timeline though of footage, commit it to a proper hd timeline, or a proper SD timeline. mixed timelines is a different matter, and requires discretion. but don't upscale an entire timeline of SD and slap a 1080p sticker on it, cause that is false advertising.

     

    Sent from iPhone 4s

     
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    May 10, 2012 9:44 AM   in reply to gabjr99

    What type of rendering settings and delivery file format for a theater would I [need to deliver]?

     

    Read this.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Cinema_Package

     
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    May 10, 2012 12:03 PM   in reply to Lucien Schilling

    Basically my "commit one format" comment works great with home delivery, but with a theatre project, you would almost have to go HD. The theatre thing is an odd variable to add to the mix. Im sorry for any confusion there.

     
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    Feb 26, 2014 2:23 PM   in reply to Lucien Schilling

    After Effects CC has added a effect to do this.

    detailpreserving upscale

     

    http://tv.adobe.com/watch/adobe-at-ibc-2013/after-effects-cc-detailpre serving-upscale/

     
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