Thanks for your response - It is very reassuring to know that there is
someone 'out there' who is prepared to reply to retired people!
I sometimes feel that I am alone in the world now that I have retired. I
still, however, do pro bono work, and help/train a lot of younger people.
My last venture has been 2 young chaps, one who is working in a Print Shop
(! How they get these jobs knowing as little as they do, is amazing) using
InDesign, and the other was the top designer with a fancy interior design
company. He was their top designer. They 'downsized' and he,
being the most expensive, was the first to go. So he has branched out on his
own and has written a couple of books. I showed him how to lay his works
(text and illustrations) out in InDesign. In the process got his Mac sorted so I feel I have
done something worthwhile.
So, I am going to reload the software now and hope for the best!
Thank you again
Fran (actually known as Thérèse)
I'm reading all these replies and getting excited because I realise there are lots of us still out there with years of Freehand work determined not to give in. I just cannot bear to 'throw' this work away and why should we? I don't have the experience to know how to handle this sort of situation but you have my full support in whatever action you decide is the way to go forward
Yes there is an argument as to what software is superior, but the real point is that there an immense body of work that will be lost. Why? Because we are not all going to go back into files and convert them to Illustrator. There are way too many of them. It¹s not sensible or reasonable. At the very least it would come at a cost. Who will pay for that? This is where the question of accountability comes into consideration. To be perfectly clear, there has to be something more permanent set up. Too many of us make our living based on these design tool standards. There must be some regulated form of stability. Otherwise, we are all way too vulnerable. The arguments goes well beyond Freehand and Adobe, and that¹s why we have a case.
Duly noted! www.freefreehand.org
Not only can all our backlog of FreeHand files not be converted to Illustrator due to time and money but the conversion process mangles these files if they contain editable text, text on a curve, gradients and any other FreeHand aspect that Illustrator does not honor. As you said in an earlier post, this appears intentional.
A few years old but is relevent as ever: The Fish Rots From the Head
Yes, I have Adobe FHmx and still use it as often as possible. It is a well thought out program, I would upgrade even if the only improvement is in the area of bringing the mechanics, underlying program code, and export and import abilities up-to-date.
Yes, I really need FreeHand on my iMac. I've been using FH MX for ages to draw genealogical charts, which I then save as EPS documents, to be included in my family-history documents created with Pages.
Incidentally, something funny has happened mysteriously in the last week or so. Up until now, I've been using the File > Save As command to convert my FH charts to so-called Editable EPS format. Well, I've just discovered that the font in all my EPS files has changed spontaneously from Verdana to something that looks like Times. To obtain an EPS file in Verdana, I now have to manually open each of my old FH files and use the File > Export command to obtain a so-called Generic EPS file. Maybe somebody might be able to tell me what has brought about this annoying change.
I just upgraded to snow leopard (a new mac) and I WANT MY FREEHAND! It is the best--most efficient all around program there ever was. As a freelance designer, all my old files are in Freehand. I use Illustrator and Indesign too--but they are cumbersome and cannot do it all like Freehand.
Give me my FREEHAND! Please update!
Yes I would pay, I would pay double. I do not understand why Adobe will not update this program. They own the last two vector based drawing programs. Why not let the people a chose which they want and make more money. Alot of people hate Adobe because of being forced to use Illustrator. I have used Freehand since 1988 when Aldus had the program and also used Pagemaker as a page layout program. Adobe killed Pagemaker and forced me to use Indesign, I DID! Please do not kill Freehand! I think you underestimate the numbers of people who still use the program and would still use the program if given a chance.
Where are the anti monopoly laws??? Why Microsoft is always is fined and the ADOBE not?
To buy a rival company to get the product and then shut it isn't that controlling the market???
Why don't they keep booth programs??? I have booth!!!! Keep FREEHAND IN THE PACKAGE!! Give it some upgrade, keep it simple.
To all of the loyal Freehand users we have to let Adobe know that we are out here and in large numbers. If you want to help save the best vector drawing
problems and solutions with Freehand. Hear stories of people who have used the program for more then 20 years. Last year a post card campaign was done. Post cards were sent to Adobe to let them know not to kill Freehand. And one last thought, if Adobe wanted to kill Freehand outright they would have stopped selling the program on there website. It's still there, there still selling it, they still want to make money off the program. Adobe, please update the program, support the program. You will make money!
i absolutely agree with joemuller - we must stay focused and motivated so that Adobe know that we're still here, fighting for what we know is right. if we continue to make our voices heard and we are incessant with our demands, things will happen more quickly.
is everybody on this thread signed up to http://www.freefreehand.org? if not, PLEASE do so! if you are, please talk to your fellow designers and agencies - convince them that it is important for FreeHand to be upgraded - not only from a commercial and practical aspect for all of us on this thread, but from a moral objective too.
the faster we build our numbers and support, the quicker we may see some positive action from the corporate organisation that has no consideration for our livelihoods!
Are you in Mac OS X 10.6.7?
If your are, then Freehand will have problem using Open Type.
All Open Type will look like Bar Code.
I did a re-installation of the Snow Leopard 10.6 from the original CD
Downloaded 10.6.6 combo from Apple
Updated it after the re-installation, every when back to normal.
For now I will stay with OS X 10.6.6 until Apple fix the latest OS without the fonts problem.
FreeHand must continue to work.
Absolutely, and our company would purchase multiple
copies for all the offices in the company. Plus our IT would have fewer headaches as our Graphics departments still insist on using Freehand. We also purchase and are current on Adobe Creative Suite. Each program has it's strengths and we use all of them.
I think you missed the point: the issue is not the difference in quality between Freehand and other software; the issue is about the freedom of choice and the arrogance of a multinational company who likes to see the buyers of his software as cattle and not as partners.
must be. And I must add, Freehand is a superior program if you are an
graphic designer / illustrator / travel writer
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Looks like you are not much of a FreeHand User, are you?.
If I am right then it would be difficult for me to tell you what you have been missing.
Never mind, this is FreeHand World and we are still working and mind you using Freehand every day.
Good Day to you.
You´re absolutely right, but maybe you´re saying it to the wrong person. Nelsonhaha is either an Adobe-emplyee or just a fool who likes to piss in the pond.
Adobe is just an arrogant monopolist, a greedy octopus who through giving clients no other chance than operating with the clumsy behemoth Illustrator wants to keep the "world" under their thumb and dictate prices. Imho such thing is illegal, Microsoft has been paying huge fine for such behavior, so why not Adobe? I´m surprised the courts dont see it. Maybe we should file mass complaints. Does anyone know were the court is thats responsible for Adobe? I thought the US despise dictators and throw bombs on them? Well, unless those dictators pay tax in the US I guess... Who´s bread I eat, who´s song I sing, or what?
If you´re writing to the management in educated, well-set words, they dont even bother to answer. I send several letters to several people, its like writing to a Dictator. I sincerely hate people and companies who behave like Adobe does. And because of that I do not buy other Adobe products where I can. I.E. I still use Quark, and dont go for Indesign.
I have Freehand and Illustrator, work with both. In 90% of all cases Freehand is better, so I still use it in 90% of my illustrative work. Still got the far better and easier palettes, still faster, still more self-explaining, still the better table to work on.
I would definitely pay for an updated Freehand, even if it is as much as for Illustrator.
Ignore nelsonhaha, we all have better things to do.
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Betreff: Re: Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay? Adobe latest FreeHand MX upgrade, Would you pay?
Not for long cause in case you didn't know a not to be named company
placed a small little program inside all the freehand updates and freehand
will cease to function
in about three or so months, so good luck "freeing freehand".
Nelson, you just proved your own ignorance.
FreeHand isn't currently being updated at all, so 'all the FreeHand updates' you refer to are all in your own sorry little imagination.
But yes, you are ultimately harmless, and it's great to see so much positive support continuing on here for what has to be one of the most efficient and intuitive pieces of software ever written.
Our studio continues to use it every day. Wouldn't be without it. Not to mention that we have a 20-year archive of FreeHand illustrations that Illustrator still can't cope with. So we NEED FreeHand, regardless.
If any visitors here haven't yet noticed http://www.freefreehand.org (unlikely perhaps, but always worth the reminder), take a look and offer your support NOW. There must be more than enough FreeHand users out there to make a real difference if we all stand together and support the wheels already in motion to release this application.
I believe it is entirely probable that FreeHand can be resurrected. Adobe must realise, sooner or later, that it has to be worth it.
The fact that we're all still using it more than six years after Adobe withdrew support speaks for itself, no?
Great to see there is still activity here. It only goes to show that Adobe management is deluded in thinking (wronged) FreeHand users will ever go away.
Even though I realized some years ago that, while Adobe may be aware of ongoing posts, they have no intention of dignifying them with a response. Ever.
Hence the creation of Free FreeHand which will remain a thorn in Adobe's side until this dispute finds resolution. It is FFH's view that Adobe behavior with regards to FreeHand has been, and continues to be, both atrocious and illegal. But things are not so black and white in the land of free and the home of the brave. Villains get away with evil deeds on a regular basis, and it becomes the job of citizens to correct things when they can. And this is exactly what we are trying to do,
All FFH's past campaigns that appealed directly to Adobe fell on deaf ears. For FreeHand users there's little to be done at present except keep the faith and, if it please, stay active on the Free FreeHand forum while staff continue to work doggedly behind the scenes on Plan X. What's Plan X? I wish I could say. Soon enough we will.
Great piece by Exploriment - an insightful and intelligent observation. If this doesn't support the case for a valid upgrade or change of ownership, I don't know what does. Adobe really are missing the point with their development. They are sitting on an absolute gem of an application and in their corporate arrogance, they're trying to deny it even exists and can be of benefit to the design community. I really cannot understand the thought process behind the working methods and multiple toolsets in Ai. Just doesn't make sense.
Wonderful article thanks for posting!
Apart from Freehand just being the best who is going to explain to my clients that 12 years worth of individual Freehand drawing styles for each client will no longer be workable, who pays for the downtime, it makes no commercial sense either to lose Freehand apart from personal choice of design software....
Industry can't stand the loss either....!
Jules makes a good point.
Out of 12 years of FreeHand artwork, how much will open successfully into Illustrator without the need additional adjustment?
We have a 20-year archive of FreeHand work. I've tried opening files into Illustrator, even following Adobe's guides, but apart from the simplest of cases, the extra work required to pull everything back into shape before it can be used in Illustrator often cannot be justified. It's all a false economy.
That doesn't make Illustrator a bad program; it's just not an adequate substitute for FreeHand and the many years' investment we all have in the latter.
Perhaps we should be making the point to Adobe that they're not just depriving us of a product, but of the ability to continue to work.
How much would that be worth to them in terms of compensation, I wonder?
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