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How to utilize intel quick sync in premiere cs5 export to H264 (sandybridge laptop)?

May 9, 2011 5:18 PM

As I have a sandybridge laptop on order (Lenovo w520), I wonder what would be the best way of exporting the timeline utilizing the Intel Quick Sync option. Cyberlink has a videoconverter program that utilizes the Quick Sync option. Would I try to use a video frame server, an uncompressed video output or is there any development completed using the SDK? There are indications that the quick sync option may have better quality and half the render time compared to an Nvidia graphic card. Thanks.

 
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    May 11, 2011 10:33 AM   in reply to paramita7

    Unfortunately, Premiere Pro does not support QuickSync at all. Not even the latest CS5.5 supports QuickSync. (Nor will Adobe support QuickSync in any foreseeable future version of Premiere.) What's more, QuickSync supports only the integrated Intel GPU and is completely disabled with a discrete GPU installed.

     

    Furthermore, only the H61, H67, B65, Q65 and Q67 chipsets currently support QuickSync. The P67 chipset does not support QuickSync at all because a discrete graphics card is required for that chipset. And the few results that I've seen in the PPBM5 results list of systems that use H67 motherboards show abnormally slow performance in MPE GPU mode when Nvidia cards are used in those systems. In other words, QuickSync is currently of little (if any) use whatsoever to Premiere Pro because the program does not support the feature at all in the exact tests used in PPBM5.

     

    And the only reason why a given Sandy Bridge system is faster with QuickSync and integrated Intel graphics than an otherwise identical system with a discrete Nvidia graphics card is because the H67 chipset gimps the PCIe-x16 graphics card slot: That slot only runs in PCIe-x1 mode instead of the correct x16 mode by default. Otherwise, a P67-based system with a discrete Nvidia GPU far outperforms the H67 setup with integrated Intel graphics.

     
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    May 12, 2011 7:09 AM   in reply to RjL190365

    And how 'bout the plugin developed by Intel for Premiere Pro:

     

    http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/adobe-premiere-propremiere-el ements-encoder-plug-in-using-intel-media-sdk-and-intel-quick-sync-vide o-technology/

     

    The description says with a prototype plug-in Premiere Pro supports Intel Quick Sync technology.

    I haven't yet have my Sandy Bridge setup so I don't have any first hand experience.

     

    As far as chipsets are concerned the new Z68 chipset sort of combines the advantages of H67 and P67, you can use a PCI-E graphics card and can overclock as in P67 but also the GPU integrated into the CPU can be harnessed.

     

    Cheers,

     
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    May 12, 2011 10:48 AM   in reply to for-gee

    Even with that plug-in installed, Premiere Pro performance on such a system with integrated graphics is still pig-slow: PR has never worked properly with integrated graphics to begin with. And a user in another thread has encountered "lock-ups" with a system so equipped. The plug-in might fix those "lock-ups", but that still does not change the fact that Premiere Pro still works poorly on a system with integrated graphics.

     

    Now back to the OP's original question:

     

    That Lenovo W520 the OP purchased cannot use QuickSync at all. This is because that laptop has the integrated Intel graphics disabled in favor of a discrete (albeit onboard) Nvidia Quadro 1000M or Quadro 2000M GPU. And the Quadro 2000M is already certified for use in Premiere Pro CS5.5's MPE GPU-accelerated mode.

     
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    May 17, 2011 7:06 PM   in reply to paramita7

    Unfortunately, even with QuickSync, Premiere Pro CS5's software-only MPE is still significantly slower than its GPU-accelerated mode. In other words, you cannot currently have both MPE GPU acceleration and QuickSync at the same time.

     
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    May 21, 2011 10:52 PM   in reply to paramita7

    Thanks for the (promising) initial results.

     

    Based on that, QuickSync does not affect the timeline export rendering speed much (if at all) since MPE GPU accelerated performance is already fast enough in that regard. However, QuickSync can speed up encoding/transcoding performance. Thus, if there is a way to switch easily between the two in current Sandy Bridge systems with both integrated graphics and a discrete CUDA card, you could have close to the best of both worlds. But right now, this capability is limited to a few laptops. On a desktop PC, if you have only one monitor, you will have to power down the desktop system before you switch GPUs; this makes switching between integrated and CUDA harder than it needs to be (since the DVI or HDMI monitor connector needs to be physically disconnected from one port and reconnected to another port).

     

    If you were to run PPBM5 on such an easily switchable laptop that's running CS5 5.0.3, expect the MPEG2 DVD and especially H.264 Blu-ray encoding (and to a lesser extent the software-only MPE timeline rendering) performance to be significantly faster with QuickSync enabled than with it disabled (when using the integrated Intel graphics). In fact, software-only MPE timeline rendering performance with a QuickSync-enabled system with the integrated Intel graphics would have been about equal to the rendering performance of some of the slowest GPU-accelerated CUDA-equipped systems on the PPBM5 results list. If you're using only the CUDA Nvidia GPU, QuickSync has no effect.

     
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    May 25, 2011 12:26 PM   in reply to paramita7

    "was able to confirm that AME can be started in either the integrated GPU or the hardware Nvidia GPU"

     

    Hi there how were you able to start up Adobe Media Encoder in Intel GPU or Nvidia GPU mode? 

     

    I couldn't find anything in AME preferences.

     

    Thanks so much.

     
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    May 25, 2011 3:23 PM   in reply to paramita7

    MPE does not use the GPU for encoding. It uses it for other operations such as scaling and rendering out effects. What was your resolution settings for export and did you have any effects on the timeline or did you just run a simple transcode with the AME?

     

    Eric

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    May 25, 2011 3:48 PM   in reply to ECBowen

    Paramita7 said the following and I simply would like to be able to do the same with AME.

     

    "AME can be started in either the integrated GPU (Intel Sandy Bridge) or the hardware Nvidia GPU."

     

    Is there some startup parameter that I need to change to do this?

     

    Thanks

     
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    May 25, 2011 10:19 PM   in reply to paramita7

    I also have the NVIDIA Control Panel loaded in my Asus G73S 17" notebook with the Nvidia GTX460M and Core I-7 with integrated graphics..

     

    The problem is I can't seem to find that option on the Nvidia control panel that let's me open programs with the graphic processing options.  Any hints?

     

    I'm using version 3.6.750.0 for the nvidia control panel.   Thanks

     
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    May 25, 2011 10:40 PM   in reply to paramita7

    Unfortunately that option is not showing in my Desktop menu item.. Looks like I'll have to do more research with Nvidia to see why it's not there or maybe it's because my notebook CPU Graphics processing is locked down..  I appreciate your help.  Thanks again.

     
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    May 25, 2011 11:05 PM   in reply to galacticlove

    Can you please give me the version number for your Nvidia Control Panel? 

     

    Thanks..

     
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    May 28, 2011 1:13 PM   in reply to paramita7

    Yes, QuickSync does make a difference in CS5.x performance, especially on laptops. Most desktop PCs, however, have much more powerful discrete GPUs than their laptop counterparts.

     
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    May 28, 2011 1:25 PM   in reply to paramita7

    That's an interesting result. 

     

    Can you please give step by steps on how you somehow combined the Intel SDK install with AME?

     

    Thanks

     
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    Jul 22, 2011 11:16 AM   in reply to galacticlove

    The instructions to use QuickSync via Adobe Media Encoder (has to be installed in Premier Pro's plugin folder) are here (As well as the link to download the plugin which ).  Please note this plugin is a prototype and Intel is leaving it open to ISVs to integrate the technology to speed up encoding & transcoding.

     

    Note: To USE Intel's Quick Sync Technology you MUST meet the following conditions:

    • You have an Intel 2nd Generation Core CPU (i3/i5/i7) a.k.a. SandyBridge (so e.g. i5 2 500 or 2500, the 2 denotes 2nd gen)
    • Your computer uses either the Intel H67/Z68 chipsets or mobile variants of such
    • Your computer is an:
      • H67 equipped computer (or mobile variants) which can use QuickSync as long as there is a monitor connected to the onboard graphics (otherwise, QuickSync is disabled)
      • Z68 equipped computer (or mobile variants) which can use QuickSync as long as there is a monitor connected to the onboard graphics OR they use a discrete GPU, the onboard video is enabled and Lucid Virtu is installed which allows access to QuickSync
      • Laptops equipped with nvidia Optimus technology should be able to use this (I'm looking to do some testing on a Lenovo W520 shortly).

     

    Those who have P67 chipset are just plain out of luck as QuickSync is disabled on those boards since the GPU cannot be enabled at all.

     

    To summarize what the QuickSync plugin does: Via a plugin (see top of this post) it can somewhat speed up encoding of video from Premier Pro using the media encoder and selecting the encoding type from the drop down menu of formats.  QuickSync does NOT affect anything else in Premier Pro.  It does not interact with MPE, it does not interact with GPU-based rendering.  It is only a plugin to speed up final export via the media encoder.  It is a prototype and as such it is not recommended for professional use.  This plugin is  just a proof of concept.

     
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