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.epub and .folio files

Jun 3, 2011 9:51 AM

I have spent all morning trying to find straightforward documentation on how to use the ePub features of Adobe CS 5.5. Installed that today.

 

1. I can make an .ePub file with my content, but how in the world do you view it? If I click it on my Windows 7 64bit machine it has no idea what app to use. Do I launch it to my Web host and then download the free Adobe Viewer app from App store? Do ePubs have to be hosted on special servers like Adobe used to do with Flash streaming video?

 

2. I have the desktop Adobe Content Viewer, but that wants .folio files, and I'm stumped how to create those. I tried the Folio extension panel in InDesign CS 5.5, but am wondering if that is something entirely different. I can't make .folio files for the desktop app.

 

Thanks. The documentation on this is really scattered an lacking.

 
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    Jun 3, 2011 10:24 AM   in reply to rvdziner

    You can download Adobe Digital Editions but it's a bit long in the tooth and in serious need of updating.

     

    Sorry, but DPS is way too involved to describe in one or two paragraphs.

     

    Bob

     
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    Jun 3, 2011 11:41 AM   in reply to rvdziner

    EPUB itself has no support for most interactive content.

     

    Bob

     
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    Jun 3, 2011 9:30 PM   in reply to rvdziner

    @rvdziner:

     

    ePUB is a format used as a precursor (in most cases) to an eBook publishing format. That means you can export to ePUB from ID, but you'll probably need to further process the ePUB in some way to make an eBook that's fully compatible with the eReader of your choice. The ePUB output is, therefore, not part of the Digital Publishing System (DPS), which is a combination of InDesign features and various distribution, rights management, sales, and tracking services hosted by Adobe. The DPS is intended for rich, interactive "eMagazines" (my term) that go far beyond the capabilities of most current eReader devices or apps.

     

    For example, you would use ePUB if you wanted to convert a novel that's in print to a Kindle, iBook, or Nook edition. You'd have to use some additional tools (some automated, some (alas) involving a bit of manual hacking) to take the "reader agnostic" ePUB produced by ID to the platform-specific file required by a specific reader. Each reader has its own capabilities and limitations, so that makes the initial ePUB file just part of the process of building a final eBook of some kind.

     

    If, on the other hand, you're producing a rich, interactive eMagazine, like Wired or The New Yorker, for publication on iPads, you'll use additional tools and interactive features in ID5.5 to produce a .folio file. This can then be previewed with the viewer that comes with ID5.5, but it can't be published without having some distribution and sales services to handle that. So you sign up for the Adobe DPS services, and they take care of the lion's share of these publication mechanisms. If you just want to produce a .folio to see how it goes, then in theory you could let people download it (without DRM, usage tracking, sales, accounting, etc.) from your site, and view it with a copy of the Viewer.

     

    Of course, other rich interactive workflows are still available -- limited interactivity in PDFs, and essentially unlimited interactivity in Flash. Since ePUB itself is essentially a micro-website in HTML, you could also adapt ePUB output for use in Dreamweaver.

     

    I hope this helps put all this new jargon into perspective.

     

    Allen

     
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    Jun 4, 2011 5:14 AM   in reply to ashtangakasha

    Very good summary, but note that there are no addition features in CS5.5 for the production of .folio files.

     

    For epub, however, CS5.5 is major upgrade.

     

    Bob.

     
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    Jun 4, 2011 6:27 AM   in reply to Bob Levine

    Thank you Bob, for clarifying that there are no additional features in CS5.5 for the production of .folio files.

     

    rvdziner, look in the new forum for .folios created using Digital Publishing Suite: http://forums.adobe.com/community/dps

     

    They have a nice faq with links to documentation.

     

    Nina Storm

     
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    Jun 4, 2011 11:37 AM   in reply to Nina_Storm

    You can build a  .folio file in ID5.5 without a subscription to the DPS, using numerous  interactivity features that are germain mainly to eMag publishing. This  statement is from the ID5.5 user manual:

     

    With  InDesign, you can create folios and preview them on a tablet device and  on a desktop previewer. However, a subscription to the Digital  Publishing Suite is necessary to build a custom viewer.

     

    The Content Viewer works with .folio files, and you can preview your  content by simply opening the Overlay Creator and clicking the Preview  button. The CV displays your content from a .folio file created at that  time. As the quote above mentions, the chrome is entirely fixed, so you  can't do anything with the outer shell of the viewer, but your content  is now inside a .folio file, and you can make as many of them as you  like without any Adobe subscriptions.

     

    TIP - To make multiple .folio files:

     

    You'll have to copy and rename them.  They're in  C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\<InDesignSessionID>\Local  Store\overlaypreview.folio, which is easy to find if you search for  *.folio on your system drive. This folder and file disappear when ID5.5  closes, so search while it's open! Note that you can't change the name  that appears in the Content Viewer -- it's hard-wired into the .folio  generated by the Preview button.

     

    Unfortunately, the quote also (by omission) implies that a custom viewer is the main thing you might want a DPS subscription for, which of course is misleading -- the CV is just the tip of the DPS iceberg.

     

    Without a DPS subscription, however, the Folio Builder works by  signing in to an existing Adobe Acrobat account -- this activates the  Folio Builder extension in ID 5.5.

     

    A free account on Acrobat.com (which I believe comes with ID) entitles you to just one folio project (paid accounts with more workspaces can create more folios). However, if there's no way to get that .folio  file itself off of Acrobat.com, to use outside a hosted environment,  then I was indeed misleading the reader, and I apologise for the  inaccuracy. (Of course, a folio on Acrobat.com can be shared with guests  to that account.)

     

    I believe that previewing content in the Content Viewer  is supposed to simulate all the features of a .folio file without a  custom viewer shell. (Please correct me if I'm wrong about this; I don't  yet know from experience how accurate the CV really is.) The CV works  outside of ID, and invites you do drop a .folio file onto it for  viewing. One could theoretically send a demo .folio file along with the  CV executable to someone else so they could view the content, but I  haven't tested this yet, or explored IP issues for on the CV itself. (There may be required binaries that are only available when ID has been installed, but I suspect not.)

     

    The Acrobat.com subscriptions, which are very inexpensive ($149/yr  or $390/yr) compared to either of the current commercial DPS  subscriptions ($thousands), provide a way to experiment with folios and  develop the associated skills.

     

    Adobe  could certainly have done a much better job presenting the DPS, and  making the vast majority of ID users more aware of what's what. The user  manual provides about 150 words on the whole concept. Many prospective  users will want to get this kind of information clearly and succinctly  without a lot of digging. Most people I talk to are still very confused  about this new direction in document creation. Myself included!

     

     

    Allen

     
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    Jun 4, 2011 12:49 PM   in reply to rvdziner

    Hello everybody,

     

    I am having a similar issue with. epub and .folio files. I have read all the comments, but some things are still a bit unclear (sorry if it has been mentioned)
    I have made a magazine (in IndesignCS4) and now want to make an interactive version (on Indesign CS5) for an ipad2, and I only have 5 days to complete this (university project), therefore my questions are;

     

    If I make a .folio file in Indesign, can I view this in CV on my destop or iPad. Or do I need to be a DSP client to have CV (how do i get CV)?

     

    Otherwise i could make an .epub file in Indesign, download the new Ibook for Ipad2 (I believe) that now also supports .epub files. but does this have the same interactivity as a.folio file, in terms of video and audio?

    info: Terry White's video  http://terrywhite.com/techblog/archives/5179

     

    In short, what is the best way to make one magazine in an interactive version for an iPad

     

    Cheers,

    Maartje

     
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    Jun 4, 2011 1:02 PM   in reply to dutchy01

    To rebuild your magazine as a folio, you could start by just previewing it in the Overlay Manager and then save the generated .folio file. But this would require InDesign 5.5, and some sneaking around on your disc to get the .folio file. Also, the "player" of your folio would be the Content Viewer, and the .folio produced by Preview doesn't support custom chrome or player features. So the title would be "Canned Magazine Title 12345" (I kid you not), and the CV itself is just a simple app frame without frills. However, the interactivity you add in InDesign should all work. You'd have to find a copy of the CV on your destination platform to play it. You could also dig into the .folio file and mess with the contents (change .folio to .zip and hack away). But all this would be a very tall order in 5 days!

     

    To answer your specific questions, though:

     

    Yes, you can view a .folio file with CV, wherever it's installed. No, you do not need to be a DPS client -- CV comes with InDesign 5.5. I'm not sure how you might get it if you have ID5, however.

     

    If you have a free account on Acrobat.com, you can build one real folio production there. I'm not sure if you can then do what you want with the resulting .folio file. For $149/year you can do several .folio projects on Acrobat.com. If you're not actually publishing (protecting, distributing, selling, tracking, etc.), then you don't need DPS.

     

    Don't confuse folios with ePUB. ePUB is an output format that's nearly compatible with Kindle, iBooks, Nook, etc. (with a little arcane tweaking). Folio is an elaborate richly interactive publishing format designed for professional magazines in a dedicated, integrated, Adobe reader app.

     

    I hope this helps,

     

    Allen

     
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    Jun 4, 2011 1:06 PM   in reply to Bob Levine

    By the way, Bob, thanks for your kind words. Coming from someone with 16,000+ more posts than me, it's much appreciated!

     

    Allen

     
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    Jun 4, 2011 2:57 PM   in reply to rvdziner

    Thanks

     
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    Jun 6, 2011 7:11 AM   in reply to rvdziner

    That's basically it, but I don't think you would have too much trouble locating the .folio file used by the previewer; then you could copy that somewhere else. It would still have to be viewed by a copy of the previewer, of course, but you can copy the previewer app as well.

     

    This approach would be acceptable for a limited number of other computers, but I doubt if Adobe would condone distributing the CV online. (I could be wrong about that -- they might well be OK with that.)

     

    Allen

     
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    Jun 7, 2011 6:09 AM   in reply to rvdziner

    I'm not sure why the iTunes viewer app isn't working. I haven't testing any of this on an iPhone or iPad yet.

     

    Allen

     
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    Jun 7, 2011 8:27 AM   in reply to rvdziner

    Sorry -- I misread your subjunctive as past tense!

     

    For the time being, the horsepower required to support the multimedia features of a folio, and the amount of RAM usually involved, would be a strain on most hand-held devices. But I'm sure in the near future shirt-pocket-sized devices will have more than enough power and space.

     

    FWIW, my limited use of the iPhone4/iPod4 has convinced me that a very small display like that, with pixel resolution comparable to a full-sized display, is a very practical solution if the user is willing to hold it very close, possibly with close-up reading glasses. Although this approach looks a little odd ("That that guy is really myopic!"), it isn't any worse than wearing some expensive (and unavailable) eyeglass display, and it gets you a decent view of docs and websites for $19.

     

    Allen

     
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