Looks like Adobe does have support for Coldfusion 8 for HomeSite+ in the form of tags and help.  Very wonderful!  I wonder if they will continue to supple these updates for future CF versions?  That would be awesome.

Thanks, Adobe!

I am also using HomeSite 95 % of all my updates for www.ekdahl.org  (5000 pages )in spite of that I also have Adobe dreamweaver CS 5.

It is  more easy  to update  my webpages

It has the function  "replace  extended characters"

You guys need to realise a few things;

First and foremost is that Adobe do NOT listen to requests, especially via these forums.

Secondly there is no beneficial value for Adobe to continue or revive Homesite, they bought it to kill it as they focus on their other web tools.

Thirdly there are other very comparable tools available.  I too used HomeSite for many years, ever since it was 1.2.  I can say without a doubt that TopStyle4 is the replacement for HomeSite, it has very similar functionaility and is always being improved, you can contact the developer to request additional elements that Homesite had that Topstyle4 does not, not that there are many.  TopStyle5 is not too far away either.

So you all need to give this a rest, move on and simply boycot Adobe and its web editor tools.

GW

LOL, that is a hilarious response.  If any of you think for one minute that Adobe cares about anything said in this thread you are in a dreamland.

While Topstyle is not HomeSite it is the next best thing.  By all means continue to use HomeSite, I know it is good, but it is also now very old.  You can of course add your own buttons and snippets to include newer code tools but the same can be done with TopStyle.

Oh and Adobe IS too big to even consider anything from this thread.

GW

You tell 'em David

ha ha ha!

-- Don't forget to slam the door and peel out with burning rubber to  show us that you really, really mean it.

Still using it and loving it.  Not found a comparable replacement.

I use Topstyle 4 and have done so for quite a while now.  No it is NOT Homesite but it is very close to it and with a little bit of adjustment it is a great editor, HOWEVER, and I say that in CAPS as the only issue I have with TopStyle is the single developer which means updates can be slow to come available.  It is still not up to date with CSS3 or HTML5 but I guess if you are still using HomeSite you will not notice that anyway.

I have also tried to use Webuilder 2011, another great editor but I keep coming back to TopStyle, I guess the layout and functionality is more HomeSite like than Webuilder is which is why I prefer it.

I know TopStyle 56 will have a fair bit more added to it and hopefully much of the older Homesite features built in as a number of us users of TopStyle have been advocating additions and changes to TopStyle to work similar to how HomeSite did, but just be newer

A number on here will rubbish other editors and try and stay with HomeSite which is fine, but the fact remains that HomeSite is dead, nothing will change that and as more time goes by the less useful it becomes.

I hope my comments help

Cheers

GW

My 2 cents:

I am not very trendy and I still use Homesite - have used it since 2001. I have spent many hours researching and evaluating various other HTML Editors, and nothing comes close. I have tried TextPad (great for other types of editing), NotePad, Aptana, Coffee Cup, FirstPage, Webuilder (which I paid for and ditched after discovering it doesn't have drag and drop for image or linked files - wtf?), etc. I count my lucky stars that Homesite 5.5 still works for me on Windows 7 Pro. Someone else said it didn't but I have had no issues. I did install Topstyle 4 and have been playing with it although I am holding out for TS5 to pay for it. It is the MOST similar editor to Homesite but it is missing a few key things like:

1. the vertical editor toolbar with it's quick access to line numbers, tabbing, split screen, hidden character toggle (you have to dig into options to get at this function), full screen toggle, and other useful items.

2. Also, it lacks the ability Homesite has of being able to move toolbars and buttons to the bottom of the editor area which minimizes mouse moves to the top of the screen and increases coding speed.

3. It's convert to list items is not as robust as Homesite since it does not write the <ul></ul> tags.

4. and there are probably others that I have missed.

I am hopeful that TopStyle 5 will address some of these productivity annoyances. If it does, it would be a wonderful replacement for Homesite. I love Homesite, but the hand-writing is on the wall. The next time I upgrade to a new OS, it is likely that Homesite 5.5 won't be able to cope. Plus, TopStyle has toolbars for JQuery, WebKit and other things that are useful for modern coders and it will likely bring in additional support for HTML/CSS3 as that standard gets fleshed out.

Anyway, not here to annoy anyone who disagrees. But, it just works for me and I've had a hard time giving it up in favor of a less robust tool.

Pierre:

Thanks for making me go check - I use that function in Homesite - maybe more than any other. And yes, Topstyle 4 has both single line and multiple line find/replace in current and across multiple docs. One more feature to the good on Topstyle.

However, I second your question about othe editors that can match this. I am pretty sure TextPad's find/replace is as robust  but the entry input box is very small.

I'm still using HS.  No doubt there are more functional editors around now but SO WHAT? 

It's familiar, does  everything I need (very well) and best of all it won't wear out.  BTW I am still using an electric carving knife which was a wedding present over 40 years ago. And my car is 14 years old.

Notice any trend here?

Hi, Debora.  I had a problem with the extended S&R one time when I was working with a site that had a lot of files with spaces in the names.  I removed all the spaces from the filenames and had no more problems with the S&R.  Unfortunately, I did have to make a lot of changes to the code wherever file names were used.

That's the only suggestion I have, I'm afraid.  I hope it helps.

Same here.  I've never had a bit of trouble with it since I bought the original from the author.

Running it in Vista HP 32

Stingrayapps, I agree with everything you said. 

While I understand some people want to hang on and retain Homesite the fact is still that it is getting older and older and less useful as new coding formats and options continue to be developed.  You have of course the choice to stick with and keep using Homesite, nothing wrong with that, but again you are using an editor that lacks support for todays and tomorrows web development langiuages and coding.

My comment of 'move on' is simply to say if you see that Homesite is limiting your development ability due to its lack of support for CSS2.1, CSS3, and HTML5 then it might be time to move on to something that does support that, i.e. Webuilder and/or Topstyle 5 (beta - note css3 is not yet supported in the beta but will be with final release of TS5).  While they are not Homesite they are in fact comparable and in some ways better than Homesite.  Yes I can hear you die-hards saying no it is not, but I wonder how many of you have actually given either of those to solutions the same time as you have with Homesite.  It took me a little while to adjust but since then I have not looked back at Homesite at all.

I agree that Homesite was the best editor of all time, and it is a massive shame that Adobe did not pick it up and further develop it, (they think Dreamweaver is the correct solution... idiots!), but like I said above it is beyond the time to look for another suitable and in my opinion better solution for your web development needs.

I believe most of the issues simply surround the inability or lack of wanting to change to another solution for the sake of change, a majority of people simply do not like change.  It can seem difficult to change from one set of tools to another, but if time is given to that change then I am very sure you will not look back to Homesite later on.  I note that familiarity is a common reason people will not change to another editor, as I said that is fine and that is your choice but to say there is no other editor as good as or better than Homesite now is simply wrong.

Note that the current developer of TopStyle is NOT the previous developer of Homesite - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TopStyle

No need to shoot or flame me, I am simply stating the obvious.

GW

I totally agree Roy, which is why I also mentioned Webuilder.  They both have their pros and cons (Topstyle and Webuilder) but as a comparison with Homesite I would still choose TopStyle.

The problem with Topstyle is that it is a one man show, what would be great is if Stefan would consier making TopStyle open source and then build a team of developers to continue enhancing it.  I don't think that will happen but it is still an option,  Webuilder on the other hand is more than one developer and is why it is now having success, especially with CSS3 and HTML5 support,

It really comes back to what you feel works for you, I was a long time Homesite user since v1.2 and I did really like that solution, however it is no longer as useful as it was and having to continue making additional codes/buttons for the gaps it was missing started to get too long, plus with the old Topstyle (that integrated with Homesite) also no longer being useful the logical choice was to take a look at Topstyle with its built in html editor, which as I said is my choice over Webuilder and Homesite, however if Topstyle remains slow in development I will reconsider Webuilder.

Cheers

Ah so you are th eone to blame for thos icons... lol just kidding

Agree with the preview location could be better placed as a tab, but I rarely use it anyway, I prefer to view it in the full browser as I work on the site locally (using xampp)

Not sure about the FTP side of webuilder, I have never used it, I guess I am old school and prefer to manually manage my FTP uploads vis filezilla instead of doing it through the editor.

I think the best thing as I said Stefan could do is make TopStyle open souirce and openm it up for a team of developers to work on the project.  It would gain a heap of talent that would listen to those that use it and make it into a solution that is second to none.  Maybe I need to send Stefan a note to view the comments in this thread )

Cheers

I have tried Bluefish and am now using Dreamweaver for a number of things but alas  - none are homesite.

And I still use Homesite a lot!

I am just thrilled that it still works with winows 7!

It would be awesome if I could get it to work with validators.

I just rely on w3.org

That is never going to happen.  Dreamweaver is used by a much larger target audience with most people opting to use the WYSIWYG interface over the coding.  While that most of the time means a substandard coded page there is no thought about that by those developers as it is the visual end product that is required over how well the site is coded.  The number of Homesite or in fact and code only solution is dwindling year after year so it is not what a software developer would want to develop for.  Plus there are plenty of other code editor options on the market that really are close to, or as good as and even better than Homesite now.

I too would love to see Homesite updated and have it built for HTML5 and CSS3 etc but it is not going to happen.  Unfortunately Adobe are also not willing to let it go open source which means even the community cannot update it themselves.

People need to face the facts that yes Homesite was a brilliant editor but it is no longer the best editor to have in your developer toolbox.

Err no, that is not what i said, however there may be some truth to your interpretation (even though I cannot see how you came to that conclusion).  My reply was in reply to what Jackpoe72 said about HomeSite and Dreamweaver and why Adobe abandoned HomeSite.  What I believe Adobe have done is focused their work on a tool that caters for both hard coding and WYSIWYG editor.

I did not suggest that hard coding is on its way out, however the numbers that do hard code while also staying up to date with new code formats and new languages etc is in decline.  HomeSite for example (imho) is not up to date with the latest coding formats, such as the latest HTML and CSS coding available, i.e. CSS3.

Unfortunately/Fortunately (depends on which side of the fence you sit on) it is too easy for a wanna-be web designer to grab a tool like Dreamweaver and slap together a web site that suits their needs without any concern for coding standards, formats etc. Add to this the many CMS like tools available with built in WYSIWYG editors there is even less of a need for hard coding by the masses.

There seems to be a heck of a lot more people using the WYSIWYG side of web design or CMS solutions not requiring coding knowledge to use than there is pure code developers.

There is a much bigger market for WYSIWYG editors than there is solely coding solutions. Knowing that it makes sense why Adobe had ceased development fort HomeSite as it is a smaller market, so instead they wanted to cater for the larger market of WYSIWYG designers and also have a 'behind the scenes' code editor also built into Dreamweaver for the hard coding purists, however as many of us agree on the Dreamweaver code editors is too bloated being inside of Dreamweaver, hence why there is a continued request to update or replace HomeSite.

One thing to think of is why is HomeSite so good?  From my view point it is because HomeSite was/is a great ‘What You Want Is What You Get In Code’ (WYWIWYGIC) meaning instead of actually coding by hand you are using built in tools to add code to a standard that the tool has been written for, i.e. want to create a table then use the table wizard, fill in a few fields and then your table is provided for you ready for content, instead of you having to type in each part of the table code..  This is not really pure coding is it.  I mean would notepad++ not be the most suitable text editor available anywhere?

I would love to see HomeSite continue to be developed, but it is VERY clear it is not going to happen, hence my suggestion for Adobe to make it open source.

At the end of the day what I see is that more and more people will utilise CMS or WYSIWYG solutions as for the majority that is ‘good enough’ for their needs (sadly).  There will need to be code developers yet for quite some time but I do feel that long term wise the only coding required will be to build solutions that everyone else can use a WYSIWYG editor in it.  Even tools like Dreamweaver will die out.

The above is just my thoughts on the matter 

Topstyle 5 beta is available for free download and expires mid year.  At this stage it does not still have CSS3 but it does cover HTML5.  That said Topstyles development is too slow and that then makes me lean more towards Webuilder, however I am more comfortable with TopStyle as it is more closer to HomeSite than what Webuilder is.

I understand you comments re custom design and for the record I prefer quality over quantity all of the time.  Having said that you only need to randomly view the web sites on the Internet to see that there is a majority of poorly designed and coded sites versus high quality designed sites.  This is because most are designed by WYSIWYG editors or coders that that really have no idea of what they are doing or they are using tools that are too old.  This is why Adobe continues to develop the tool that is more suitable to the masses.

Templates are more than the visual site you see, they are often built on a good framework to utilise and then design a site from/for.  There are many websites that use a template framework (even free template sites) that are used as the starting point of a sites design, so much of the 'coding' has been done and many will then simply 'design' the site around that framework.

CMS sites are the same, there is a significant amount of sites that use solutions like Joomla or Wordpress of which between 98 and 99% of a sites coding has been done as part of the core solution being used or add-ons added to that solution, the end result is that the 'designer' is only doing the visual side and often this can be done with minimal or even no special coding required.

There will always be a need for coders, I am not disputing that, I am merely saying that there is going to be less and less demand for it over time (imho), with exception to those that develop the solutions like Joomla, Wordpress, Drupal and the many other solutions.  Plus of course there will be a need for a business etc to have a custom script or tool made to meet their business needs via the web to integrate with their accounting, billing, staff or other systems.  Though how many developers exist in that pool versus those that call themselves coders but could not do that type of work?

We have gotten way of topic here though so let me bring it back to what the topic is about as that was the purpose of my posts above and that is that while HomeSite was a great tool it is becoming too old to maintain and continue to develop sites with the coding required today and for tomorrow.

Cheers