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Hey, Bill.
Yeah, things are okay, just have a stupid cold that doesn't want to die. I'm sure Rod's tired of hearing me whine about it by now.
I've always heard good things about FCP, but honestly I don't think it would do any harm to let a little air out of their tires. I do get weary of hearing the old, "well, the professionals only use FCP..." Maybe this will quiet them down for a spell, at least until Apple cleans up the PR mess they made.
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I have never used FCP (being the PC-person, that I am), but have seen many tutorials, where it was featured. I also have some general books (things, like DVD Menu design), where there are many references to it, and screen-caps of its GUI. Other than it's use by segments of the industry, I never felt compelled to even think about it - besides, I am loathe to give up my PC's. Though many told me that I was crazy to stick with PrPro, it did everything that I, or my clients, could ever have wanted, so I just stuck with it, and hardly ever complained.
Going way back, when I was one of the early PC-users doing work in PS, I had many Mac-only clients. I never told them of my platform, but would chuckle at meetings, and lunch, when they would talk about the poor slobs, trying to do any serious PS work on a PC. Many were of the mind that if an Image ever touched a PC, it was cursed and would never print well. Little did they know that the lovely, award-winning magazine covers that I had done for them WERE done on a PC. I just kept quite.
One client knew that I was on a PC, and insisted that some pretty intricate PS work be done on a Mac. He found two artists to give it a go, but they had to knock the resolution down to nearly nothing, just to handle the files. This went on for about two weeks, and were horrible failures. I just took the danged files, at full resolution, did the work, and handed them off on a Mac-formatted SyQuest 88. The printer had zero issues, and the double-truck ad printed perfectly. When asked how I did it, I lied and told him, "for a good client, such as you, I just went and bought the latest Mac." He never knew. Luckily, those days are behind us - aren't they?
Get over that cold - two friends must have similar, as they have been coughing and wheezing for about 3 mos. now.
Hunt
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Bill,
I've been a professional software developer for over two decades now, and I was never much for religion. I'm a Microsoft guy because that's where the money was. If the Apple camp had more jobs and paid better, I would have been an Apple guy. I did ponder early in my career whether to go Unix or MS. Once again the decision had little to do with religion. Even for the PC versions of Unix (in all their wonderous flavors), software and development tools were wicked expensive - typically 300 - 400% higher than the comparable MS tools on the lowly PC. Thus, I went MS and the decision did what I wanted - kept the bills paid.
Do I sound like a mercenary? I am. For most of these years I've been a contractor, which is short for "Absolute loyalty to the highest bidder." Little room for religion in that equation. Either they need my skills or they don't, in which case I go to the guys who do rather than try to convince them that they're using the "wrong" technology. As far as I'm concerned, any rig that gets it done is a good rig.
People often assumed that since I was a MS dev that I was anti-Apple. Truth is, for many, many years Apple built the coolest boxes on the planet. There just wasn't any work to speak of. Eventually Microsoft cloned most of the cool Apple stuff, and the modern day PC can do anything a Mac can do (and the modern day Mac crashes just as often as a PC does). Of course, in the early days this wasn't the case. Macs were graphical and wired for music, desktop publishing, video, etc. PCs ran DOS, and it really wasn't wired for the A/V world. That's where some of the Mac snobbery came from. Most of it comes from the fact that Steve Jobs was a genius at creating a religion, and had products worthy of his hype.
In any event, in today's world, PCs and Macs are just brands X and Y. Anyone who claims otherwise is just, well, religious. And history is replete with lessons on the dangers of challenging someone's religion. I have no need nor desire to do so. They're both good boxes.
That said, when it's time to buy cell phones, pads, etc. I actively avoid Apple products. They're exceedingly cool, and have set the standard, but with my PC lineage I'm spoiled. I just can't accept a label that says "there are no user servicable parts inside." If the manufacturer doesn't want me popping the top and slinging code to make it do what I want it to do, I just buy a different brand. That's not so much religion as it is my being a control freak. But then, I've never been short on character flaws.
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Dec 23, 2006John_Levine_IOPHFI_INH wrote:
Still trying to convince yourself that the platform of your choice is "better?"
That is freakin' pathetic...
"Better?"
As far as I can see arguing "Ford" vs. "Chevy" is the kind of thing only relatively ignorant folks partake in, as they have little actual information to work with.
I, using my PC workstation, work almost daily collaborating online with my chief engineer - a guy with a Mac Pro. We're both career software engineers, and keep our systems well set-up.
- Neither system ever crashes.
- Both are nice and fast and do exactly what we need when we need it because we're adept at using them.
- Each of us has found all the apps we need for what we want to do.
- Both systems have excellent monitors.
- Both run good virtualization tools, which give us each access to the software of the other environment, as well as still others.
- Occasionally one of us buys a new system, which is then the faster of the two until the next purchase.
- That we have two slightly different UI perspectives helps us design better software.
Which system we each choose to use as our base environment doesn't seem to need debate. I think it's safe to say most of us using computers are WAY beyond what style the buttons are.
-Noel
P.S., My computer is better than your computer. Nyah.
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I am an FC Studio user and have been using FCP for corporate videos, trade shows and conferences. So not major professional work like a lot of others posting here, but the work does involved a fair amount of audio and multi-cam work, not to mention the requisite 'wow' factor that exectives want for their introductions. However, I am in the process of making the move from FCP to CSPP (so go easy on my as I am new to these forums
). There are technical reasons for my decision and these features/functions have been well documented in other threads. But my primary decision to make the switch was more around Apple's overall direction than anything else. Without question, Apple is a consumer company first. This is their bread and butter and they are making billions on it. Their move away from the professional commercial market is evident in their FCP decisions and also in their processes and methods for working with business on their iOS initiatives (which I am involved in at my company). So "Is FCP on the way out as the industry standard?" In my opinion, if the "industry" definition is the professional market, I would have to say, yes. Their intent appears to be to dumb-down the interface in the same manner as what they have done with their operating systems and consumer applications and take away the level of control needed for the professional. Apple will make FCPX a really good tool for the consumer/prosumer, but at the same time will make it unusable for serious commercial use.
Just my 2 cents
david
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David,
Welcome to the forum.
There are many, just like you, who are migrating from FCP to PrPro CS 5.5. Luckily, we have several ex-FCP users in the CS 5.5 Forum, and they have been extremely helpful, with that migration. We are also very fortunate to have several Adobe employees, Todd, Jeremy, Kevin, Wil, and a few others, who have been working very hard to make the transition as painless as possible, plus they have been logging Feature Requests from FCP users, who want some operations to be more like what they are used to. Adobe is listening, and they are responding. Todd has done a series of articles to help with that transition, plus several on how PrPro CS 5.5 differs from previous versions, and even CS 5. Those are targeted at PrPro users, learning the differences. Drop by there, and spend a few minutes reading the posts. Lot of FCP users there. I feel that the folk in that forum have been very welcoming. The biggest limitation that I see is that the majority of the regulars are on PC, and many, like me, just do not know how things work on a Mac. Still, there are enough X-platform power-users, who do, and Todd, for instance, is completely X-platform, so he can test issues on either a PC, or a Mac. About the most disparaging thing you will hear, is someone like me, apologizing for not knowing Mac, but trying to offer ideas, that work on a PC, in hopes of being helpful - go easy on us, 'cause we ARE trying...
Good luck, welcome to Adobe PrPro and see you in that forum,
Hunt
PS - there is also an active Video Lounge over there too.
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