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Captivate 5 (No Quiz) Published To SCORM 1.2 - Saba 5.4.3

May 23, 2011 1:18 PM

I have a 13 page 'reader' where a learner only needs to view the slides and when they get to the end, close the course.

 

I am on Saba 5.4.3.  I am publishing to SCORM 1.2 but can not seem to get the 'course' to go to "Transcript".

 

I have tested almost every combination of 'settings' (albeit - the right one - which is eluding me).

 

Here is the settings that get me to show the course 'completed' in the 'TOC' yet when closed stays in enrollments.

 

QUIZ REPORTING

 

Enable reporting for this project (Checked)

SCORM --> Manifest (1.2) --> Default

Report Status

Complete/Complete (Checked)

Report To LMS as

"Percent"

Chose Report Data

"Slide Views Only" and then 100

Report Level

"Interactions and Score"

 

Pass or Fail:

Pass or Fail Options: "75% or more..."

 

I have tried using "0%" I have used different numbers for "Slide Views"

I have tried "Score" vs "Percent"

 

Any help would be great, Thanks!

 
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    May 23, 2011 2:26 PM   in reply to MarkRHammon

    Hi,

     

    Do you have a score? You talk only about viewing slides. Be aware that a slide will only be counted as viewed if the whole timeline of that slide has played. If you insert a button with a pause, and set its action to Go to the Next slide, the part of the timeline after the pausing point will never play, thus this slide will not be marked as completed, neither in the TOC, neither when reporting to the LMS.

     

    Do you need really reporting? If I do not need reporting, I only upload the course as a package, not as a SCORM-object. Then I use the LMS functionalities to check if the user has viewed the course.

     

    Lilybiri

     
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    May 23, 2011 8:05 PM   in reply to MarkRHammon

    What do you mean by: "Go to Transcript"?

     

    Lilybiri is correct.  If there are no scored interactions in the project, you don't need to have a Quiz Results slide or set to report Score.

     

    You should be able to set Report Status to Complete/Incomplete.  Set Report to LMS as Percent. Choose Report Data as Slide Views only and set the completion percentage to whatever percentage of the actual slide views you expect the user to view completely.

     

    If you are still not able to get the course module to be marked as completed, try setting the slide view completion percentage down low (e.g. 10 %) to see if the issue is related to the fact that not all slides are viewed all the way to the end.  If this turns out to fix the issue, try to find out where in the course the slides are not viewed to the end and either change the way the navigation works, or use a widget like TickTOC (http://www.infosemantics.com.au/ticktoc) to achieve 100% completion even if not all slides were viewed.

     

    Having said all this, some LMSs will not play ball unless you give them some kind of a score.  So if you are still not having success, place a single scored button on the second last slide of your movie, use Pass/Fail instead of Complete/Incomplete, stick with report as Percent, and use Quiz Results Only.  When the user clicks this button the LMS should mark the course as passed.

     

    Let us know if any of these options work.

     
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    May 24, 2011 8:50 AM   in reply to MarkRHammon

    Have you tried uploading this same test SCORM package to SCORM Cloud to see if it successfully completes there?  I often find SCORM Cloud's log files very useful in debugging what is happening with the SCORM variables during the course play.  It's all recorded in the logs.

     

    One thing that is required for the LMS bookmarking to work is for the Never Send Resume Data option to be unticked in Captivate's LMS Customization Settings dialog.

    NeverSendResume.png

     
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    May 24, 2011 7:44 PM   in reply to MarkRHammon

    I would suggest you use a button instead of a quiz question since you need to configure the question properly so that it will only need a single click on the Submit button.  Otherwise two clicks will be required by the user. One to submit and another click to progress.  A normal button will always do the job with just a single click.

     

    Just add a normal Captivate button to the second last slide and set that button to Report to Quiz with a score of 1.

     

    Label this button something like Click Here to Complete This Module or similar, so that the learners all get the idea they REALLY NEED to click this button or else their course won't be over.  Just set as Continue or Go to Next Slide action for the On Success action of the button.

     

    Make the final slide of the movie fairly short, maybe a second or two. Set the Preferences > Project End action to either Stop Project or Close Project, whichever seems to work best with your LMS.  If you're launching all course modules in a separate window to the SCORM player, you can often use Close Project.  But if you're launching the course content within the SCORM player you'll find some LMSs will not allow the Close Project command and Stop Project is a better option.

     

    If it's any consolation, you SHOULDN'T need to do this just to get your course to complete, but yours is not the only LMS that does this with Captivate content.

     
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    Sep 20, 2011 10:40 AM   in reply to MarkRHammon

    Hi there,

     

    We are just implemeting Saba right now and testing on our captivate projects. I thought someone out there might find this information useful.

     

    I am using Captivate 5. My courses usually don't have quiz questions. I place a button on the last page. In the reporting tab for the button I check off "Include in Quiz", "Add to Total" and "Report Answers". I also check the "advanced interactions" in the project menu to ensure no other interactions are set to score.

     

    I then go to Preferences, and the Reporting section. I enable reporting for the project. Chose Standard, SCORM, Complete/Incomplete, Percent, Quiz results only, Report Score. The important thing is I learned is to turn off bookmarking or I run into problems. Go into LMS Customization and check "never sent resume data".

     

    It's maddening, but Saba does not work well when you use bookmarking. We were able to get the course to succesfully complete and go to transcript when booking marking was on... as long as the user did not fast forward to the 1.5 seconds after the scored button. IF they did that, the course would never report sucessful and move to transcript.  No matter how many times you open the course and click thaat darn button. Very frustrating. And even if I moved the button's pause to right at the end, there's always a little bit of time left on the timeline that the user could advance to, and then... failure. I could not find a fix for this other than turning the bookmarking off. Granted, not many users would do this, but for the ones that do, they would need the administrator to set up the course again for them. Big hassle.

     

    Since then I've read 2 other posts saying the same thing-- bookmarking in Captivate + Saba = BAD

     

    I hope this helps someone out there! And if anyone has come across this issue and found a fix, post it here!

     
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    Sep 20, 2011 7:13 PM   in reply to Noellet

    Noel, this is very useful information.  I've linked this thread to the page on my Captivate LMS Compatibility Guide for SABA: http://www.infosemantics.com.au/lms_guide/saba

     

    One thing I wanted to check with you...are you using SCORM 1.2 or SCORM 2004 with SABA?

     
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    Sep 21, 2011 6:23 AM   in reply to RodWard

    Hi Ron,

     

    We are using SCORM 1.2. Thanks for putting your LMS page together. I'm sure it will be very helpful to future users. We continue to test this week so I'm hoping for continued success with the above mentioned method.

     

    Noelle

     
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    Jul 15, 2013 1:08 PM   in reply to Noellet

    Noellet,

    Thank you for your information. I'm trying to learn more about bookmarking (resume function) and its pitfalls.

     

    Could you please explain what you mean when you say:

    "as long as the user did not fast forward to the 1.5 seconds after the scored button."

     

    What do you mean by "fast forward"?

     

    Thank you!

    - Jan

     
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    Jul 15, 2013 1:15 PM   in reply to Lilybiri

    Lilibiri,

     

    Thank you for this infomation. This is a concern that a course would not be marked as completed if a slide contained a button with a pause.

     

    Instead of making the button action "Go to next slide," would it be better to make the action "Continue" so that the slide will play out? Then would the LMS mark the slide as viewed?

     

    Thank you.

    Jan

     
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    Jul 16, 2013 11:46 AM   in reply to Janatwork

    Yes, if you use Continue, the slide will play totally. Eventually you can drag the pausing point near to the end of the timeline to avoid waiting (the duration of the inactivate part of the button timeline).

     
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