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Panasonic HDC-TM700 / TM900 Owners - What format are you shooting and editing in Elements

Sep 22, 2011 1:18 PM

Tags: #avchd #1080p #elements #tm700 #tm900

So in the last week I have gone through several hundred pages of Video Editing Software forums only to still be just as confused as when I started.

 

Obviously the newer Panasonic camcorders have some fantastic options for capturing video (1080 60p) however it appears there are no real great options for editing unless you want to spend a LOT of money as well as have a top notch workstation to edit.

 

What are the other TM700 / TM900 owners doing to edit their video with Elements? What formats to you film with and do you use anything to get the video in a import friendly format for Elements that doesn't mean losing all of your quality?

 

I have no problems outputing down to 720p 60 but would really like to have the highest quality original footage that can be used in Elements.

 

HISTORY:

I recently moved to a MacBook Pro from PC where I used to use an older version of Pinnacle Systems Studio and was hoping I could find a great Mac alternative with my newly purchased TM900.

 

The problem I ran into is the available options and cost.

 

I looked at Final Cut Pro X however the only way to import my 1080 60p footage is to use a wrapper such as ClipWrap but I hear a lot of people are still not please with FCPX which doesn't make sense to spend $300 and then another $50 (ClipWrap) for a product that doesn't work that great.

 

I was all ready to buy Adobe Premiere Pro CS 5.5 as it does everything I need (import 1080 60p and output in any format you need including great DVD / Blu-ray options) until I found out it is not supported on MacBook Pro's (may run but not supported).

 

I would love to buy Elements 10 as it appears you can output to 720p 60 which the quality would be very similar to my footage at 1080 60p however I have not figured out how to get my footage into Elements.

 

I don't want to shoot with sub-par options but also don't have the money to buy PP CS 5.5 and build a beefy workstation to support editing.

 

I hope some current HD camcorder owners have some great feedback on how which format they use to capture footage and or what additional converters / wrappers they have used with great success.

1739 Views   5 Replies   Latest reply: Luvfilm, Sep 22, 2011 8:55 PM
 
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  • Steve Grisetti
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    1. Steve Grisetti,
    Sep 22, 2011 2:07 PM   in reply to d_lombardi
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    What you've suspected is true: If you plan to edit your video on an under-$500 video editor, you need to shoot in 60i rather than 60p. No under-$500 supports 1920x1080 60p -- and loading 60p into a project that's not set up for it is only likely to cause problems.

     

    Meantime, I encourage you to output a BluRay disc of video you shot in 60i and compare it to video you've shot in 60p. I think you'll find 60i is not much of a compromise, and the quality on final output to BluRay is every bit as good as from video shot in 60p. But that's your call.

     

    As for Premiere Elements 10, it runs on both PCs and Macs, so it's editing option at a great price.

     
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    2. John T Smith,
    Sep 22, 2011 3:54 PM   in reply to d_lombardi
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    Also, even though Premiere Pro is said to be able to edit 1080P (I don't use that format, so no direct knowledge) you will not be able to write that to a BluRay

     

    1080/50p or 1080/60p NOT to BluRay http://forums.adobe.com/message/3636265

    -Premiere Pro will edit, but NOT part of the BluRay specification

     
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    3. d_lombardi,
    Sep 22, 2011 3:54 PM   in reply to Steve Grisetti
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    The only reason I have not thought about filming in 60i is based upon the issues you can get with lots of motion.

     

    I was really hoping I could stick with Elements but looks like this might not be the right fit for the type of footage I am trying to capture.

     

    Good news is I did find another product that will edit natively 60p video and is around $100.00

     

    Guess I will give that a shot and see what happens.

     

    Thanks again!

     
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    4. Steve Grisetti,
    Sep 22, 2011 6:47 PM   in reply to John T Smith
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    Meantime, don't forget to compare the results of a BluRay burned from a 60p project and a BluRay burrned from a 60i project.

     

    You may find that those extra frames don't really count for much in the final wash.

     
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  • Luvfilm
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    5. Luvfilm,
    Sep 22, 2011 8:55 PM   in reply to d_lombardi
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    Hi D,

    Which Mac Book Pro do you own?  Have you downloaded the Premiere cs5.5 trial to see what you can do with it?

    I am new to the HD world and it is interesting that you have what I would consider a consumer priced camera, but with high spec needs for editing.

    Hopefully you can find a compromise between the technology of your camera, computers, software, and your budget.

    I would like to know how things work out.  I just went from a G4 1 gig machine to a 15 inch mbp.  I have been test driving premiere cs5.5 with 720p 30 and in the little I have done with it, it works with it without even cracking a sweat.  I would like to see how it works with 1080.  I did a 1080 i vs.1080 p search.  Lots to learn.  It would be nice to see them compared side by side on a large HD screen.

     

    You may end up working with an intermediary codec.  There are lots of them.  A friend of mine is a post production assistant in the Industry and he says that they shoot up to 4,000 lines of resolution.  Film is mastered at that.  But they don't edit it that way.

     

    Another thing, I don't know if you are aware, but the trial version of Premiere cs5.5 is a full working trial. 

     

    Good luck

     
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