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Can elements 10 import avchd 1080/60p files?

Oct 10, 2011 10:19 PM

I am considering getting the Sony HDR-CX700V camcorder and was wondering if elements can import the 1010/60p files?  Anyone know?

 
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    Oct 11, 2011 4:50 AM   in reply to Gary Agoura

    Premiere Elements should interface beautifully with this camcorder -- if you shoot in FX or FH mode 1920x1080 60i.

     

    Premiere Elements can not edit 1920x1080 in 60p or 24p.

     

    AVCHD can also demand a pretty heavy duty computer. We usually recommend a quad core or i7 processsor for best performance.

     
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    Oct 12, 2011 7:22 AM   in reply to Steve Grisetti

    Steve, couldn't you  use the 1280x720, 60p AVCHD preset to edit 1920x1080 60p if you don't mind scaling down. Your 1920x1080 will be scaled to the 1280x720 frame size. I know it can be done with PAL 1080/50p.

     

    One thing I noticed about transitions. If you are in a 60p project, the default transition length of 30 frames is only one-half second. So if you want 1 second transitions by default, you should change transition length in preferences to 60 frames.

     
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    Oct 12, 2011 7:26 AM   in reply to Robert J. Johnston

    Interesting ideas, Robert -- and very good points! Although, if you edit 1920x1080 in a project set up for 1280-x720, you won't be editing natively and you'll need to render more often.

     

    Still, if editing 60p hi-def is priority, that could well be one solution.

     
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    Oct 12, 2011 4:09 PM   in reply to Steve Grisetti

    Steve, there isn't a red line over my 1920x1080/50p video in a 1280x720/50p project. It's ready to go.

     
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    Oct 12, 2011 4:35 PM   in reply to Robert J. Johnston

    I should have learned by now that, if there is a solution, Robert will find it!

     

    Thanks, Robert!

     
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    Oct 13, 2011 11:33 AM   in reply to Robert J. Johnston

    Robert,Isn't that a bug then? The clip does not match the project settings and there is no Red line. Is ediiting and playback smooth? Export? I can try exporting a file of that resolution/frame-rate/PAR, import it back into PrE and see for myself, but <some excuse> I can't.

     
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    Oct 13, 2011 11:58 PM   in reply to VDOSurfer

    VDOSurfer, no, I don't think it's a bug. Adobe has loosened the requirements for what has to have a red line over it. If frame rate were different or the pixel aspect ratio were different,  or the codec were different, then you would have a red line for sure.

     

    I can't test the smoothness because my computer is slow to begin with.  I can't play back anything smoothly in Premiere Elements that's 1920x1080, even if it's rendered.

     
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    Oct 17, 2011 5:26 AM   in reply to Robert J. Johnston

    Learnt: If it is working fine, it is not a bug; even if it looks like one.

     
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    Nov 6, 2011 4:09 PM   in reply to Gary Agoura

    Elements has been able to import 1080p60 H264 video as far back as Premiere Elements 7.

     

    Although an editing-preset explicitly for 1080p50/60 video would be the optimal solution, you can get by with using the "DSLR 1080p25/30 (1920x1080p 25fps or 30fps)" preset.

     

    The native-resolution won't be disturbed.  And contrary to the selected framerate, all frames of the video are preserved on output.  (At least, this was true for Premiere Elements 7/8/9 ... I haven't tested this yet in Version 10.)

     

    The tricky part is sharing/exporting the video @ 1080p50/60.  Since Elements doesn't officially support AVCHD 2.0, you can't select 1080p60 from any built-in sharing preset. The only options are to create your own presets from the (2) codecs that support 1080p60 export within Elements:

     

    (1) Share -> Computer -> Windows Media Video

        (This will create a Windows Media Video file...fine if you just want to watch on your PC.)

          (Since there's no builtin preset for 1080p60, you need to go to 'advanced options' and edit the fields yourself.)

     

    (2) Share -> "Mobile Phones and Players" -> "iPod and iPhone"

        (This will create an MPEG-4 file with H264-video and AAC-audio, should be compatible with multiple-platforms and media set-top boxes.)

     

        Then click on "Advanced Properties", and manually change these settings:

        Level:  4.2

         Profile: High

         Frame Rate [fps] = 59.94  (yes, that's the correct rate for NTSC)

         Frame Width 1920

         Frame Height 1080

          TV Standard NTSC

     

         Bitrate settings

          Bitrate Encoding:  CBR   (VBR has never worked correctly for me)

          Bitrate [Mbps] : 28Mbps   (lower number takes up less space, higher number has better quality)

     

         Select Key Frame Distance

          Key frame Distance: 30 frames  (higher number takes up less space, lower number has better random access)

     
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    Nov 6, 2011 4:12 PM   in reply to Steve Grisetti

    Steve,

     

    Premiere Elements 9 *officially* added support for 1920x1080 24fps editing.  This was mentioned in the online product's feature-list.  (In the editing preset selection, it was called "DSLR 24p" 1920x1080p 24.)

     

    Did Adobe remove this feature from Elements 10?!?

     
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    Nov 10, 2011 3:46 AM   in reply to gvimuser

    1080p24 is available. To export, I think you can also use Share -> Computer -> MPEG and choose one of the HDTV presets; and modify it. Change the "Level" field to High (not High 1440) and see that 60 fps is shown in the dropdown. Change the resolution to 1920x1080, and the dropdown resets to 30 max. But 720p @ 60 should be close to what you want.

     
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    Nov 12, 2011 10:56 AM   in reply to Gary Agoura

    As others have already stated, 1080p60 video is not officially supported by Premiere Elements 10 (PRE10.)

     

    You can still import the 1080p60 files and do your editing just fine.  But there's no way to export the finished product in the same AVCHD2 format (1080p60), i.e. you can't get them back onto the camcorder.  (If you're just editing and sharing on a PC, then perhaps this isn't important to you.)

     

    Anyway, I created a user-patch that adds a 1920x1080p60 editing-mode.  Of course, since PRE10 wasn't designed/tested for 1080p60 video, there is no guarantee of reliability/usability.  The hack doesn't add AVCHD2 export -- but you can save your projects as an MPEG-4 1080p60 file. (A sufficiently fast PC will read it fine, but few camcorders recognize MP4 files.)

     

    If you're interested in trying the user-patch for 1080p60 editing, you can download the PRE10 trial-edition for free, then install the patch and see if it works for you.  Link to the tips-thread is here: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4021810#

     
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    Jul 13, 2012 10:22 AM   in reply to gvimuser

    The patch from gvimuser works great! Easy to install and use. Thanks!

     
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    Jul 13, 2012 10:44 AM   in reply to tannesilber

    If this patch works that well, gvimuser, we should make it widely available.

     

    May I add it to our forum FAQs?

     

    Thank you for sharing it!

     

    EDIT

    Never mind. I see it's already in our Tips & Tricks!

     

    But thanks anyway. It's really a great little plug-in!

     
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    Jul 13, 2012 11:56 AM   in reply to Gary Agoura
     
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