Skip navigation
Currently Being Moderated

Encore: what does it take to get an input legal?

Apr 22, 2010 10:36 AM

I know this is a bit off topic from Premiere SDK but since there is no Encore (highly technical) forum I thought it best to post here instead of emailing Zac directly (so that others may learn the answer).

 

My question is this:

     Specifically, what does it take for Encore to NOT transcode an input video file for DVD (mpeg2) or BluRay (mpeg4) destination?

 

thx.

 
Replies
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Apr 22, 2010 11:23 AM   in reply to Rallymax

    Encore uses the Sonic HDMV SDK for Blu-Ray support. Below are the video formats supported by Encore:

     

    Resolution

    Display Aspect Ratio

    FPS

    Scan Mode

    TV Standard

    1920 × 1080

    16x9

    29.97

    Interlaced

    NTSC

    1920 × 1080

    16x9

    25

    Interlaced

    PAL

    1920 × 1080

    16x9

    24

    Progressive

    NTSC, PAL

    1920 × 1080

    16x9

    23.976

    Progressive

    NTSC, PAL

    1440 × 1080

    16x9

    29.97

    Interlaced

    NTSC

    1440 × 1080

    16x9

    25

    Interlaced

    PAL

    1440 × 1080

    16x9

    24

    Progressive

    NTSC, PAL

    1440 × 1080

    16x9

    23.976

    Progressive

    NTSC, PAL

    1280 × 720

    16x9

    59.94

    Progressive

    NTSC

    1280 × 720

    16x9

    50

    Progressive

    PAL

    1280 × 720

    16x9

    24

    Progressive

    NTSC, PAL

    1280 × 720

    16x9

    23.976

    Progressive

    NTSC, PAL

    720 × 576

    16x9

    25

    Interlaced

    PAL

    720 × 576

    4x3

    25

    Interlaced

    PAL

    720 × 480

    16x9

    29.97

    Interlaced

    NTSC

    720 × 480

    4x3

    29.97

    Interlaced

    NTSC

     

    And here are the audio formats supported:

     

    Codec

    File Format

    Sample Rate

    Sample Size

    Channels

    Max Bitrate

    LPCM

    .wav

    48 kHz

    16, 20, 24

    2, 4, 6, 8

    n/a

    LPCM

    .wav

    96 kHz

    16, 20, 24

    2, 4, 6, 8

    n/a

    LPCM

    .wav

    192 kHz

    16, 20, 24

    2, 4, 6

    n/a

    Dolby Digital

    .ac3

    48 kHz

    n/a

    up to 6

    640 kbps

    Dolby Digital Plus

    .ec3

    48 kHz

    n/a

    up to 8

    4736 kbps

    DTS

    .dts, .cpt

    48 kHz

    n/a

    up to 5

    1509 kbps

    DTS-HD

    .dts-hd

    48 kHz

    n/a

    up to 8

    24500 kbps

    DTS-HD

    .dts-hd

    96 kHz

    n/a

    up to 8

    24500 kbps

    DTS-HD

    .dts-hd

    192 kHz

    n/a

    up to 6

    24500 kbps

     


    Let me know if you have any specific questions on the specs, or any files that are getting transcoded, and I can take a look.

     

     

     

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Apr 22, 2010 1:13 PM   in reply to Rallymax

    The Encore forum has a FAQ on troubleshooting m2v files that are being transcoded by Encore: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/398763?tstart=0

     

    This tutorial might also help: http://blogs.adobe.com/davtechtable/2008/04/apples_compressor_encore_b lura.html

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Apr 22, 2010 6:01 PM   in reply to Zac Lam

    Hi Zac-san

     

    Though I might be wrong...

     

    You should prepare AC3 or Dts for audio of channels that are more than two.

    For example, it is mixed with two channels even in case of WAVE of six channels if you prepare LPCM.

     

    Regards,

    Kengo Mikoshiba.

     

    ----- from my notes -----

    The syntax of MPEG-2 and the H.264 data depends on the encoder.

    And Encore does not check the syntax of these streams. I guess.

    It is not guarantee even if Encore doesn't transcode your prepared data is fit for DVD or Blu-ray.

    I expect it is no problem if you use a standard plug-in of Premiere.

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Oct 18, 2011 12:19 AM   in reply to Zac Lam

    Hi Zak,

     

    I have a couple technical questions about AVCHD, Blu-ray pass-through.

     

    1) The Help files notes that "Encore does not transcode Blu-ray legal AVCHD files. The table of legal frame sizes does not include 1920x1080 30 progressive. Yet, when I use Adobe Dynamic Link in Encore CS5 to import a P Pro CS5 AVCHD 1080 30p sequence, and then convert that to a Timeline, the listing under Blu-ray Transcode Status is "--" and under Blu-ray Transcode Settings is "N/A." Can you or someone on the Encore team explain that?

     

    2) If a P Pro sequence has non-AVCHD items in it (AVI files or still images, for example), how does Encore handle them such that they do not have to be transcoded for Blu-ray?

     

    Thanks,

     

    Jeff Sengstack

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Oct 18, 2011 4:13 PM   in reply to Rallymax

    Hi Rallymax,

     

    Thanks for your response. I have two follow-up questions:

     

    1) Regarding Dynamic Linking: What is AVC smart rendering? I don't know that that is an option in P Pro or Encore.

     

    2) You said uing Dynamic Linking means "there is very little chance that [Encore] will get the video stream blu-ray legal." What workflow does passthrough AVCHD clips to Blu-ray without rendering?

     

    Jeff

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Oct 19, 2011 10:57 AM   in reply to Rallymax

    The table of legal frame sizes does not include 1920x1080 30 progressive.

     

    The Blu-ray disk format does not include the possibility of 30p.  This is not an Encore specific limitation, but a Blu-ray disk limitation.  (Though admittedly I can't explain the Transcode values using Dynamic Link.  My own suggestion here would be to not shoot 30p when going to Blu-ray, and to just not use Dynamic Link.  Export out of Premiere Pro first.)

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Oct 19, 2011 10:58 AM   in reply to Rallymax

    2) If a P Pro sequence has non-AVCHD items in it (AVI files or still images, for example), how does Encore handle them such that they do not have to be transcoded for Blu-ray?

     

    Everything in a PP sequence will need transcoding.  There's no way around that.

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Oct 19, 2011 12:50 PM   in reply to Rallymax

    Hi Rallymax, Sengstack,

    2) You said using Dynamic Linking means "there is very little chance that Re: Encore: what does it take to get an input legal? will get the video stream blu-ray legal." What workflow does passthrough AVCHD clips to Blu-ray without rendering?

     

     

     

    Zac, if you have a Premiere Project Dynamically Linked into an Encore project is Encore going to always decide that it needs transcoding?

     

    If the sequence is configured at Blu-ray legal dimensions AND it can provide the custom FourCC = “AVC “ theoretically it meets the condition check right?

     

    I would agree with Jim Simon.  If you're using Dynamic Link in Encore, it won't be bringing in compressed AVC, and you'll need to transcode.

     

    So rather than importing PPro projects, importing pre-encoded Blu-ray compliant files is going to be the way to skip the transcode in Encore.

    Also, has Encore CS5.5 been upgraded to support Blu-ray 3D with its use of the MVC codec extension to the AVC codec

     

    Not yet.  Good feature request!

     

    Cheers,

     

    Zac

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Oct 19, 2011 5:33 PM   in reply to Rallymax

    Rallymax,

     

    Thanks for the smart rendering tour and the other explanations. I think I've got a handle on this now.

     

    Jeff

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Jun 23, 2012 3:04 PM   in reply to Zac Lam

    My file format for my DTS-HD MA files from the DTS-HD Master Audio Suite (on my mac) results in the extension .dtshd & not .dts-hd, is there going to be any problems for Encore CS6?

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Jun 25, 2012 2:44 PM   in reply to m2425

    Hi m2425,

     

    I think the original question on this thread has been answered.  Can you start a new thread with your new question, and if you want, post the link in this one?

     

    Thanks,

     

    Zac

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Jun 25, 2012 11:30 PM   in reply to Zac Lam

    Ok

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Jun 30, 2012 7:19 AM   in reply to m2425

    m2425 wrote:

     

    My file format for my DTS-HD MA files from the DTS-HD Master Audio Suite (on my mac) results in the extension .dtshd & not .dts-hd, is there going to be any problems for Encore CS6?

    That's correct. extension for these file types is .dtshd, and the stream will also contain the hidden core audio stream (this should have been set up at the encoding stage). You will not be able to preview these streams.

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Oct 24, 2013 1:12 AM   in reply to Zac Lam

    Zac, Thank you for this great list. For acceptable Audio formats, if I want to use a 6 or 8 channel LPCM file, do any of the CC applications create an acceptable surround file? If no, can you advise on what software I can look into?

     
    |
    Mark as:
  • Currently Being Moderated
    Oct 24, 2013 10:20 AM   in reply to Spegis

    Hi Spegis,

     

    Unfortunately I don't have the answer handy.  Can you start a new thread with your new question?

     

    Thanks,

     

    Zac

     
    |
    Mark as:

More Like This

  • Retrieving data ...

Bookmarked By (1)

Answers + Points = Status

  • 10 points awarded for Correct Answers
  • 5 points awarded for Helpful Answers
  • 10,000+ points
  • 1,001-10,000 points
  • 501-1,000 points
  • 5-500 points