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Will Adobe like my new phpBB discussion board?

Nov 22, 2011 4:12 AM

Tags: #adobe #refund #horrors #evil

It is now three weeks, and counting, for a refund from Adobe of software deactivited within three days of purchase. I've had two phone calls and three chats with customer service reps that assured me that I would see a digital, credit card refund in just a few days, After perusing these boards, it has become blatently obvious that I will never see that refund.

 

I have decided that, because I don't like being ripped off, I will recoup those funds with an alternative method. I just registered "eviladobe.com". I will now begin to design and develop a new phpBB discussion board, titled "Adobe Horror Stories", where Adobe customers that have been through the horrors of Adobe customer service can vent their frustrations. The money that the site will make, from Google Adsense advertising, will more than make up for the stolen money, in no time.

 

I fully expect this post, and my account, to will disappear in short order. No problem. I'm just venting. If you're a likewise "OnceBittenTwiceShy" Adobe customer, and were lucky enough to read this thread before they deleted it, I'll see you at eviladobe.com.

 
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    Nov 22, 2011 8:59 AM   in reply to OnceBittenTwiceShy

    OnceBittenTwiceShy wrote:

     

    It is now three weeks, and counting, for a refund from Adobe of software deactivited within three days of purchase. I've had two phone calls and three chats with customer service reps that assured me that I would see a digital, credit card refund in just a few days, After perusing these boards, it has become blatently obvious that I will never see that refund.

     

    I have decided that, because I don't like being ripped off, I will recoup those funds with an alternative method. I just registered "eviladobe.com". I will now begin to design and develop a new phpBB discussion board, titled "Adobe Horror Stories", where Adobe customers that have been through the horrors of Adobe customer service can vent their frustrations. The money that the site will make, from Google Adsense advertising, will more than make up for the stolen money, in no time.

     

    I fully expect this post, and my account, to will disappear in short order. No problem. I'm just venting. If you're a likewise "OnceBittenTwiceShy" Adobe customer, and were lucky enough to read this thread before they deleted it, I'll see you at eviladobe.com.

     

     

    Don't be silly.  Your empty threats are not going to affect giants like Adobe so please shut up and go away.  If you have a genuine problem then say so to get genuine help but don't you ever try to threaten anybody on these forums.

     

    Good bye.

     
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    Nov 22, 2011 9:21 AM   in reply to mytaxsite.co.uk

    Did he threaten anyone on the forums? I didn't read it.

     

    What more likely to help (although its not a bad idea for the site) is to tell your story on Face Book. That's more likely to get some action.

     

    The Problem is adobe is like many of the other companies  who take the their mantra from the quote from Gorden Gecko, In the movie Wallstreet that is so famous.  Laies and Gentlemen, Greed is a Good thing.  Its all about lining the pockets of the investors and BOD and not serving the customers.

     
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    Nov 22, 2011 4:05 PM   in reply to OnceBittenTwiceShy

    Let me start by saying I don't work for Adobe.

     

    With that out of the way, I'll say that I believe they have up to 30 days to issue the refund (and customer service reps are not in a position to promise you anything in terms of a schedule) and Adobe is hardly alone in being a bit tardy in this respect. I've had other companies do the same to me.

     

    I wonder, will you apologize if your refund shows up tomorrow?

     
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    Nov 22, 2011 4:14 PM   in reply to Peter Spier

    Like Peter, I'm not an Adobe employee either

     

    I once made an $8.00 purchase at a fast food restaurant. The cashier inadvertently charged my card $80. They issued a refund immediately but it still took nearly a week before the credit processing agency put the money back into my account.

     

    Odd, isn't it? How the funds come out immediately, yet they have to seemingly crawl wheezing and clawing their way uphill to put the same transaction back into the account.

     

    You can thank the banking system for that. Things are always stacked in their favor.

     

    Cheers... Rick

     
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    Nov 22, 2011 5:13 PM   in reply to OnceBittenTwiceShy

    If that makes you happy...

     
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    Nov 22, 2011 5:23 PM   in reply to OnceBittenTwiceShy

    I assume that you have had contact with Adobe's Customer Service (C/S), and have discussed the matter with them? This would not be Adobe Technical Service (T/S), which is focused on other things, and will only read from a script, "uninstall, then reinstall," until you get the case bumped up a few levels.

     

    Though I have not had that much interaction with C/S, when I have, they have been most helpful, very friendly, and quick to rectify issues.

     

    Going back to about Photoshop CS, an assistant had an issue, whenever he brought his laptop to my studio, and tied into my wireless network. His PS CS would Deactivate. This happened three times. On the first two, C/S sorted things out, but the same still happened. On the third time, and third call, C/S made some changes on his system, and he never had that issue again. Now, I was not there every second, but I'd say that the three calls took less than 15 mins. total.

     

    Did they get everything right the first time, or even the second time? No. However, they DID get things right on the third time. I can only guess that because I had dozens of registered (many Activated) of Adobe programs, and the system was picking up my IP address, or similar, something was fritzed, since his licenses were personal, and totally separate from mine. Still, after two "false starts," they got it handled, and last I heard, perfectly.

     

    Sorry that you had a bad experience, and if you WERE working through Adobe C/S, and they could not handle things, then something is very wrong somewhere.

     

    Good luck,

     

    Hunt

     
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    Nov 22, 2011 5:28 PM   in reply to OnceBittenTwiceShy

    You have mentioned "Refund." As Adobe offers a 30-day, no questions asked, return, I have to ask - did this happen after 30 days?

     

    In my 2 decades of using Adobe program, more than I can even count now, I have found them to be excellent. Same for their programs. Yes, there ARE some things that could be better, but on the whole, their software has made me a great deal of money, and the corporation has always treated me very nicely.

     

    If the purchase of the software (what was it, BTW?), was within 30-days, did you apply for the refund? It sounds like you did, but I did not see full details of the correspondence.

     

    Good luck,

     

    Hunt

     

    PS - Are we in The Lounge, or in Forum Comments? If the latter, then maybe a MOD can move this, since it's not about the forums.

     
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    Nov 23, 2011 6:52 AM   in reply to Bill Hunt

    Folks did you actually read the original complaint. instead of charging him for the upgrade price. They charged him "thousands" of dollars. They maxed out his credit card. The problem is with either Adobe, Digital River or both.

     

    I suggested originally that he contact either or both. If no results put it on FaceBook.

     

    I also suggest "all" fortune 1000 companies go by the montra originally quoted by Gorden Gecko in Wallstreet "...greed is a good thing".

    Instead of Serving their customers that actually puts the money in the Bank, their interest is to serve investors, then the BOD.

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    It’s a sad state of affairs. Up until the middle 60's the number one goal of companies was to serve their customers. Which breed brand loyalty and return customers. Then after the old guard left, the new people that came in, the number one priorty was lining their pockets as fast as they could anyway they could, burning all bridges while doing it. And if it ran the company in ground so be it. The only company that comes closest to pre 60's companies is Apple.  Although the number of computers they have sold compared to Windows boxes is small. Yet they worth more monetarily than even MicroSoft.

     
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    Nov 23, 2011 7:06 AM   in reply to Phillip Jones

    Phillip Jones wrote:

     

    Folks did you actually read the original complaint. instead of charging him for the upgrade price. They charged him "thousands" of dollars. They maxed out his credit card. The problem is with either Adobe, Digital River or both.

    And just where do you see this? I don't see it anywhere in this thread, and as far as I can tell eviladobe.com is not yet up and running so it's not there.

     

    All credit card companies also have charge dispute and problem resolution procedures, too, if something like that happens.

     
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    Nov 23, 2011 7:26 AM   in reply to Peter Spier

    He has another thread with the same or similar title that had the original compalint. Best I can remember in US Dollars it was about 19,000 dollars.

     
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    Nov 23, 2011 7:56 AM   in reply to Phillip Jones

    Did he address the issues with Adobe Customer Service?

     

    That would be where I would start.

     

    Hunt

     
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    Nov 23, 2011 8:00 AM   in reply to Phillip Jones

    Maybe the OP should have provided a link to that thread, as well.

     

    I can only speak for myself, but I might reply to 100 threads in 20 forums in the course of a day. Trying to mentally link to any and all, even if the poster's ID is really a standout, is beyond my capability.

     

    After some research, I might have found that other thread, but cannot recall where at the moment. If that was it, it appears that Digital River was the billing party. Is that the one?

     

    If Adobe is using a 3rd party for billing, but that 3rd party is not responding to a client issue, I would think that Adobe Customer Service would want to know about it.

     

    Just my thoughts,

     

    Hunt

     
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    Nov 23, 2011 8:01 AM   in reply to Phillip Jones

    If it's the same poster, he was given suggestions on how to resolve his issue...

     

    Harbs

     
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    Nov 23, 2011 8:24 AM   in reply to Harbs.

    Yes I even gave him sveral suggestions. However; if it was a few hundred dollars I would go through all the proper channels. But if someone charged me $20,000 for something that's supposed to be $200.00 I would get more than a little upset.

     
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    Nov 23, 2011 8:30 AM   in reply to Phillip Jones

    I haven't seenthe other thread, or waht was suggested, but if the overcharge was as large as you say that's even MORE reason to "go through the proper channels" of filing a dispuite at the credit card company. It sounds like a simple data entry error, not a malicious action, and if the card people make an inquirey it will probably get straightened out immediatley. And whoever said the problem is at Digital River is probably correct, and it would be them, not Adobe, that needs to issue the refund, I imagine.

     
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    Nov 23, 2011 8:32 AM   in reply to Phillip Jones

    I would mostly get upset at my credit card provider for letting a charge like that go through!

     

    Harbs

     
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    Nov 23, 2011 2:00 PM   in reply to Harbs.

    Harbs. wrote:

     

    I would mostly get upset at my credit card provider for letting a charge like that go through!

     

    Harbs

     

     

    They don't unless you have the credit limit as large as that.  Not only the credit card companies don't allow such large credit limits in the current economic climate, the OP lives in Indonesia and I am not sure European and American banks can allow large credit limits in third world countries.

     

    The attitude of the OP remains much to be desired IMHO.  If you lose all that money, I would have thought the first thing one does is to contact the credit card company instead of posting empty threats to destroy Adobe.  No nutters have succeeded in destroying giants so far.

     

    hth

     
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    Nov 23, 2011 3:10 PM   in reply to OnceBittenTwiceShy

    I have decided that, because I don't like being ripped off, I will recoup those funds with an alternative method. I just registered "eviladobe.com". I will now begin to design and develop a new phpBB discussion board, titled "Adobe Horror Stories", where Adobe customers that have been through the horrors of Adobe customer service can vent their frustrations. The money that the site will make, from Google Adsense advertising, will more than make up for the stolen money, in no time.

     

    I must say that your expectations of Adsense revenues are (IMO) unrealistic if indeed you are out several thousand dollars.

     
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    Nov 23, 2011 3:22 PM   in reply to OnceBittenTwiceShy

    OnceBittenTwiceShy wrote:

     

    Kami Bambiraptor wrote:

     

    I have decided that, because I don't like being ripped off, I will recoup those funds with an alternative method. I just registered "eviladobe.com". I will now begin to design and develop a new phpBB discussion board, titled "Adobe Horror Stories", where Adobe customers that have been through the horrors of Adobe customer service can vent their frustrations. The money that the site will make, from Google Adsense advertising, will more than make up for the stolen money, in no time.

     

    I must say that your expectations of Adsense revenues are (IMO) unrealistic if indeed you are out several thousand dollars.

    Just because you don't make a good living with Adsense, doesn't mean that other people are not.

     

    Oh! Good for you! 

     
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    Nov 23, 2011 3:47 PM   in reply to OnceBittenTwiceShy

    Here's an old post that may be pertinent to your complaint, even though the incident described therein dates from 2008:

     

    http://forums.adobe.com/message/2044893#2044893

     

     

     

    There's no way of telling what degree of persistence and pressure may be necessary to get satisfaction from Adobe Customer Service.

     

    Here's a little story for you:

     

    Last year, as some of you may remember, I had occasion to ask Adobe for my money back within the allowed 30-day period for a copy of Photoshop Elements I had bought in a moment of temporary insanity.  After countless, polite phone calls, faxes and emails to Adobe Customer Service, I was still getting the runaround from Adobe for weeks and weeks.

     

    Then I lost my patience and fired off the first of two very angry emails, in the first one of which I limited myself to telling them "you are an impenetrable den of thieves!"

     

    That one generated yet another runaround-copout type of email response from Adobe, so I finally wrote something to this effect: "OK, you thugs, you keep your göd-d@mned money, you apparently need it more than I do, perhaps to pay those poor people you shamelessly exploit in Pune, Mumbai, Calcutta or New Dheli!" 

     

    Within 48 hours I had a call from a Customer Consultant for Adobe in Canada (I'm in California) who promptly arranged for me to get my refund.  Evidently the outsourcing of customer service to India is a very sore PR point with some corporations, not just Adobe.

     

    So, unfortunately, patience and politeness don't always work.  But straightforwardness did.

     

    There are serious issues with Adobe Customer service these days.

     

     

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    Nov 23, 2011 5:07 PM   in reply to Bill Hunt

    Bill Hunt wrote:

     

    Are we in The Lounge, or in Forum Comments? If the latter, then maybe a MOD can move this, since it's not about the forums.

    Good idea; this has really nothing to do with Forum Comments.

     
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    Nov 23, 2011 5:38 PM   in reply to OnceBittenTwiceShy

     

     

     

     

    Nah. Do some research of these threads. They "caved", because they knew they had a talented web designer so angered, by their insane customer service, that he was going to create a customer service advocacy site that would reflect negatively, through customer reporting, on their company's customer service policies.

     

     

     

    And they managed to track down a cretin from these forums!!  Now this must be the first!

     
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    Nov 25, 2011 7:09 PM   in reply to OnceBittenTwiceShy

    OnceBittenTwiceShy wrote:

     

    ...the intelligent people of America.

    Oxymoron

     
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    Nov 26, 2011 3:40 AM   in reply to Pat Willener

    ʇɐb ɹəuəllıʍ wrote:

     

    OnceBittenTwiceShy wrote:

     

    ...the intelligent people of America.

    Oxymoron

    Excuse me? Am I supposed to be offended by that? Or do you think I'm too dumb?

     
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    Nov 26, 2011 4:58 PM   in reply to Peter Spier

    Do you see yourself as "The people of America"; the OP already does that.

     
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    Nov 26, 2011 6:39 PM   in reply to OnceBittenTwiceShy

    OnceBittenTwiceShy wrote:

     

    Phillip Jones wrote:

     

    He has another thread with the same or similar title that had the original compalint. Best I can remember in US Dollars it was about 19,000 dollars.

    That's not my thread. You have jumped to a conclusion based on my statement that contained the word "thousands".

     

    I said this concerning my expected, promised refund... "They can keep it now. I will now recoup it, one thousand fold, through advertising, and providing my fellow man with anti Adobe theft, consumer advocacy."

     

    I've read that other customer's thread. He should consider building a consumer advocacy, discussion board website.

    Excuse me. Sorry I got you two mixed up.

     
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    Nov 26, 2011 7:01 PM   in reply to Pat Willener

    ʇɐb ɹəuəllıʍ wrote:

     

    Do you see yourself as "The people of America"; the OP already does that.

    ONE of the people of America. And a lot of folks think I'm fairly intelligent.

     
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    Nov 27, 2011 4:59 PM   in reply to Peter Spier

    Peter Spier wrote:

     

    ONE of the people of America. And a lot of folks think I'm fairly intelligent.

     

    [comment removed]

     

    Message was edited by: ʇɐb ɹəuəllıʍ

     
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    Nov 27, 2011 12:03 PM   in reply to mytaxsite.co.uk

    Huh? Where did that come from?

     

    I'm not sure how this thread started spiraling down so rapidly.

     

    Harbs

    (One of those who thinks Peter is fairly intelligent after reading MANY of his posts...)

     
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    Nov 27, 2011 4:56 PM   in reply to Harbs.

    Oh my, what have I started here...

     

    I did not mean to imply that there are no intelligent people in America; it's just that "the people of America" (or "Americans") are not generally regarded as the most intelligent species on this planet.

     
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    Nov 27, 2011 5:06 PM   in reply to Harbs.

    Harbs. wrote:

     

    I'm not sure how this thread started spiraling down so rapidly.

    Actually it was spiraling from the beginning, but it seems that my single-word comment changed the topic from anti-Adobe to anti-American.  That was not my intention.

     
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