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Ryan A. SGS
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Popup Windows. (Buttons & MSO Question.)

Dec 1, 2011 4:41 PM

My question is in regards to "Buttons" and "MSO's".

 

     I have Multi-State Object (Popup) windows mastered using the technique giving by Bob Bringhust, http://blogs.adobe.com/indesigndocs/2010/12/hot-spot-button-workaround -for-indesign-dig-pubs.html using buttons and MSO's but my question is this.  Can you make it so the buttons behind a MSO (Popup) are not active?  Even in Bob's example above you can click on the each button while they are hidden behind the popup window.  You can not see the buttons behind the popup but they are still active and this is my problem.

 

     I have a nice 3 by 4 row of images, all buttons, they are linked to a MSO and when the MSO (Popup) is open you can still accidentally hit any of the hidden buttons behind the MSO.  I have tried several things to solve this problem without any luck.  It doesn't matter where the MSO and buttons are in a layer structure, top or bottom makes no difference.  I have tried to make each layer in the MSO a button so as to supersede the 3 by 4 row of buttons behind but as far as I can tell buttons do not work inside of a MSO so that did not work.  I tried making the "close" button as large as the MSO (Popup) but this just made all the images of the 3 by 4 not work.  I guess you can not have a button over a button.

 

At this point I have run out of ideas so I have come here seeking knowledge.  Any thoughts or solutions would be greatly appreciated.

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Ryan.

2730 Views   15 Replies   Latest reply: Bjorn Helge Lervag, Dec 3, 2011 1:31 PM
 
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  • Bob Bringhurst
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    1. Bob Bringhurst,
    Dec 1, 2011 6:06 PM   in reply to Ryan A. SGS
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    If I understand what you're trying to do, you can't do that with the current set of tools. Buttons appear on top of the slideshow regardless of their stack order, and you can't make a button inactive when you change states.

     

    What you need is the ability to add buttons to slideshow states. If all goes according to plan -- and it's looking good so far -- the next release of tools in January will let you add buttons and perhaps other interactive overlays to slideshow states.

     
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    2. Bob Levine,
    Dec 1, 2011 6:18 PM   in reply to Bob Bringhurst
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    That would be a major upgrade.

     

     

     

    Bob

     
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  • Bjorn Helge Lervag
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    3. Bjorn Helge Lervag,
    Dec 2, 2011 2:30 AM   in reply to Bob Levine
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    Totally agree, modes in modes will absolutely be a good addition.

    Are there any info on what's to be expected in the next releases? A roadmap?

     

    best regards,

    Bjørn Helge

     
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  • landrvr1
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    4. landrvr1,
    Dec 2, 2011 6:12 AM   in reply to Ryan A. SGS
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    You can do this with HTML5 (try the free Adobe Edge beta).  You first frame could have the thumbnails.  Tap one and you're brought to a frame with just the image you need.

     
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  • Bjorn Helge Lervag
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    5. Bjorn Helge Lervag,
    Dec 2, 2011 6:18 AM   in reply to landrvr1
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    Thanks, I will try that. Since I got your attention, do you know if all HTML5 created in Edge will work, or are there any known limitations?

     
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  • Ryan A. SGS
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    6. Ryan A. SGS,
    Dec 2, 2011 8:51 AM   in reply to Bob Bringhurst
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    Yes that is correct and thank you for your reply.  I thought that was the case but I thought I would check with the real experts.  I look forward to the update.

     

     

    Thank you again for your help.

     

    Sincerely,

     

    Ryan Ackley

    Simon Golub and Sons Inc.

    Graphic Designer / Marketing

     

    Local: 206-762-4800 ext. 312

    Toll Free: 800-426-7125

    www.simongolub.com<http://www.simongolub.com/>

     

    P Save Trees. Print only when necessary.

     
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  • Ryan A. SGS
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    7. Ryan A. SGS,
    Dec 2, 2011 8:59 AM   in reply to Bob Levine
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    I think it is an update Adobe needs to work on sooner than later because Quark 9's Digital tools already do this as well as pretty much everything else InDesign does and to be honest it's much easier.  I have both programs and I have done work in both but I am loyal to Adobe so with nothing more than that I have stuck with InDesign.

     
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  • al3nai_
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    Dec 2, 2011 11:47 AM   in reply to Ryan A. SGS
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    Maybe Quark has more features but I doubt is easier. Nothing is easy with Quark, my friend :-)

     
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    Dec 2, 2011 11:57 AM   in reply to al3nai_
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    Hate Quark if you must but in all seriousness Quarks 9's digital publishing features are about 100x easier.  The difference could be compared to building in Flash to Edge, or coding straight HTML to using Dreamweaver as far as ease is concerned.  Comparing the two feels more like Quark really took the time to build something from scratch where as Adobe's feels more like an after thought that they are still refining, which they are.  Don't get me wrong thought I still love Adobe but they should learn from what Quark has done as well.

     

    Ryan Ackley

    Simon Golub and Sons Inc.

    Graphic Designer / Marketing

     

    Local: 206-762-4800 ext. 312

    Toll Free: 800-426-7125

    www.simongolub.com<http://www.simongolub.com/>

     

    P Save Trees. Print only when necessary.

     
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  • landrvr1
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    Dec 3, 2011 7:10 AM   in reply to Bjorn Helge Lervag
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    Bjorn, I don't know of any limitations....  I believe this really has to do with iOS being HTML5 compatible across the board.  If there's some new HTML5 process that iOS doesn't support, it won't work in the folio.  I'd check with the Edge forum on that as well just to be sure.

     
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    Dec 3, 2011 7:14 AM   in reply to Ryan A. SGS
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    Ryan Ackley SGS wrote:

     

    Hate Quark if you must but in all seriousness Quarks 9's digital publishing features are about 100x easier.  The difference could be compared to building in Flash to Edge, or coding straight HTML to using Dreamweaver as far as ease is concerned.  Comparing the two feels more like Quark really took the time to build something from scratch where as Adobe's feels more like an after thought that they are still refining, which they are.  Don't get me wrong thought I still love Adobe but they should learn from what Quark has done as well.

     

    Ryan Ackley

    Simon Golub and Sons Inc.

    Graphic Designer / Marketing

     

    Local: 206-762-4800 ext. 312

    Toll Free: 800-426-7125

    www.simongolub.com<http://www.simongolub.com/>

     

    P Save Trees. Print only when necessary.

     

     

    Heh.  I'm not saying I don't believe you, but those comparisons are pretty severe....HTML coding vs Dreamweaver?  Surely Quark's workflow and technique cannot be that far in advance of InDesign/DPS?  (I find the entire workflow methodology in DPS to be pretty simple and straightforward....a bit hamfisted perhaps, but still easy to use.)

     
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  • Frans van der Geest
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    12. Frans van der Geest,
    Dec 3, 2011 9:18 AM   in reply to landrvr1
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    I can tell from expierence that Quarks tools are indeed simpler and well thought out more. Its Aquafadus in fact with a Quark shell. Its simple, elegant and has more options then DPS. Sadly..

     
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  • Ryan A. SGS
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    13. Ryan A. SGS,
    Dec 3, 2011 1:04 PM   in reply to landrvr1
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    All I can say is that they are much easier unfortunately.  Like I said, I think Quark took a little extra time to really make it apart of Quark and not just something added later.

     

    Sent from Ryan's iPhone

     
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  • Ryan A. SGS
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    Dec 3, 2011 1:07 PM   in reply to Frans van der Geest
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    Thank you for backing me up here.  I still love Adobe products but they still need to look in the rear view mirror every once in a while and see what others might be doing better and not just buy them out.

     

    Sent from Ryan's iPhone

     
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  • Bjorn Helge Lervag
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    15. Bjorn Helge Lervag,
    Dec 3, 2011 1:31 PM   in reply to Ryan A. SGS
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    Just a quick comment; publishing to tablets is a revolution. Not only

    traditional print to digital magazine, but all of interactive sales

    presentations can now be delivered to tablets, a format that clients really

    wants and that we know is a preferred solution.

     

    Adobe has a solid position with all their amazing tools for media creation,

    however better solutions with better widgets and easier production flow

    towards tablets will attract new adapting users.

     

    I believe that with partners like Woodwing and promises of new

    functionality early next year, Adobe will strengthen DPS as preferred

    solution. However Adobe needs to exceed competitors to keep their position.

     

    We're working with projects and clients that wants their solutions today.

     

    Best regards,

    Bjørn Helge

     

     

    Sendt fra min iPhone

     

    Den 3. des. 2011 kl. 22:07 skrev Ryan Ackley SGS <forums@adobe.com>:

     

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    Ackley SGS<http://forums.adobe.com/people/RyanAckleySGS>in

    Digital Publishing Suite - View the full

    discussion<http://forums.adobe.com/message/4061815#4061815

     
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