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Is there really no way to export PDFs as separate pages?

Dec 20, 2011 8:58 AM

When delivering pdfs for print most of the time they want every page as a separate document.

 

I know that I can export the entire document as one pdf and then use Acrobat to split the document into separate pages.

 

But I just can't wrap my head around the fact that InDesign by the end of 2011 still won't let me achieve the same result without having to go through Acrobat (or some other app).

 

Can this really be the case? Or is there some way to achieve this?

 
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    Dec 20, 2011 10:05 AM   in reply to m.kellerman

    hi,

    I personally use Quick Export to PDF script by Dimitry Lapaev, works flawlessly (WinXP SP3, CS5.5, ID7.5.2).

    Afaik, works on Mac too.

    At a moment I have at hand link to russian web page only, but it shouldn't be a problem...

    Script has interface in Russian, Ukrainian, and English.

    Here you can find that one and a couple more:

    http://adobeindesign.ru/2010/02/19/custom-pdf-export-scripts/

     
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    Dec 20, 2011 11:11 AM   in reply to m.kellerman

    m.kellerman wrote:

     

    When delivering pdfs for print most of the time they want every page as a separate document.

     

     

    Not any vendor I deal with. If you gave me 100 seperate pdf's, there would be a problem, albeit a short one.

    2 minutes looking finds a script to achieve your need, I expect you can find an equivilant if this does not suffice. This topic is discussed once a month. Search the forum.

     

    http://indesignsecrets.com/page-exporter-utility-peu-5-script-updated- for-cs3.php

     
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    Dec 20, 2011 11:37 AM   in reply to Daniel Flavin

    Daniel Flavin wrote:

     

    Not any vendor I deal with.

    Some of them want, really. They say, it's easier to catch a problem, if occures.

     
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    Dec 20, 2011 1:16 PM   in reply to winterm

    The fact it requesting single pages is not a standard workflow. I’ve never had a printer ask for such a thing.

     

     

     

    Bob

     
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    Dec 20, 2011 1:32 PM   in reply to Bob Levine

    I've had plenty of printers ask for single pages. However, it's been eleven years since I was last been asked for this. (I know because this client's printer's homebrew OS 8.5 imposition app broke because of... the Y2K bug. True story.)

     
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    Dec 20, 2011 3:09 PM   in reply to m.kellerman

    Another good script is Page Expoerter Utility 5 there is a tick box that tells the script if to send the file as one document or seperate pages it has many other uses and is very editable.

    http://indesignsecrets.com/page-exporter-utility-peu-5-script-updated- for-cs3.php

    Have not used it in CS5 CS5.5 use it all the time in CS4 hope it works for you.

     
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    Dec 20, 2011 3:14 PM   in reply to mckayk_777

    Why go through all this when it’s so easy to do in Acrobat. A couple of mouse clicks and it’s done.

     

     

     

    Actually…why go through it at all? I don’t trust any printer that makes these kinds of requests.

     

     

     

    Bob

     
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    Dec 20, 2011 3:49 PM   in reply to Bob Levine

    Bob, it's not always so straightforward...

     

    Bob Levine wrote:

     

    Why go through all this when it’s so easy to do in Acrobat.

    when you export nearly 200 p. cataloque, something may go wrong on certain page. If you are exporting separate pages directly, you know where to look for the problem. If not, you just get the message "export failed". Where?!

    ok, you exported files and uploaded to printer's ftp server... and get client's last-second call: "ups, oh, uh, there's wrong price on page 99!"

    no problema, you re-export just that single page and overwrite (update) appropriate pdf file in printer's folder. No hassle about integrating it to all-in-one pdf.

     

     

    Bob Levine wrote:

     

    Actually…why go through it at all? I don’t trust any printer that makes these kinds of requests.

    well, sometimes client or agency has some other reasons why to choose this printer and not that. The final decision is not always up to designer... If such workflow is possible, I must be ready for it.

     
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    Dec 20, 2011 10:16 PM   in reply to winterm

    no problema, you re-export just that single page and overwrite (update) appropriate pdf file in printer's folder. No hassle about integrating it to all-in-one pdf.

    Typically your printer will have to aggregate all 200 single PDFs into a monolithic PDF anyhow. You're not saving him any time.

    As for your own time, well, just send along the revised p.196 and ask your printer to integrate it into his monolithic PDF. It'll be no harder for than if you had sent the other 199 pages as individual PDFs.

     
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    Dec 20, 2011 10:51 PM   in reply to m.kellerman

    InDesign 7.5 still doesn't have a "Separate pages" checkbox is what I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around. It's such a simple little thing, that clearly many users would welcome,

    Why do you say that?

    Why do you think it is clear?

     

    If there's one thing this discussion has shown, it is that the experienced InDesign users here in fact do not see a use for or need for such a feature.  (In fact, nobody has said it, but some of us might lobby against such a feature -- because it might encourage users to use it and printers to ask for it, and that's actually undesirable -- it would promote bad workflows.)

     

    Now, I'm not saying it isn't clear that "many users would welcome" it. But you haven't established that it is (and neither has winterm, who apparently also favors such a feature).

     

    So, please, before suggesting that many users would welcome it, please show us the reasoning, the evidence, etc. Be it empirical, or logical, or what-have-you. Or are you just saying that because you (and winterm) would welcome it, that "many" would?

     

    I suppose it is a trueism that for any 1 opinion voiced there are 100 who agree with that opinion, but I'm afraid that doesn't meet my definition of "many," since it would also lead us to say, "Many InDesign users don't know how to export a PDF," etc.

     

    * Disclaimer: Even very talented and progressive printers I've worked with sometimes request separate pages, simply because they have fully or semi automatic workflows set up in a way that requires this. And sure they can, of course, handle multi-page pdfs, but those sometimes will cause further delays or even further costs as they require some level of manual handling on the printers part.

    What geographical market do you work in?

     

    It's hard for me to fathom a printer who can't use Acrobat's feature to split the document, even if they do in fact need per-page PDFs, which they shoudn't.

     
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    Dec 21, 2011 1:57 AM   in reply to m.kellerman

    I work for an offset printer as a prepress operator, and i'd NEVER ask for single page/file PDFs unless i wanted to preflight dozens/hundreds/thousands of individual files at a time (e.g. 64pp book comes in, i can either check 1x64pp file; or 64x1pp files... know what i'd rather do!). I completely agree with John Hawkinson and Bob Levine that it's counter productive.

     

    Similarly, in the 15 years that i've been in prepress here and overseas, i've only ever had one client supply files as single file/page PDFs, and it was another printer who had imposed the art first using a method similar to this method, before running out of time themselves to print the artwork and gave us the artwork to print.

     

    However I have read the OP's post above (post no.12) and take the point that it is irrelevant which provider will or will not want single page/file PDFs; but the fact that the dialog box for making single page/file PDFs doesn't exist except through scripting or third party.

     

    Apart from suggesting the PEU exporter from scott zanelli (many other posters here have suggested the same thing) if the OP really wants to see this feature in future versions of indesign, go to the indesign wishlist and ask for this feature.

     
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    Dec 21, 2011 3:32 AM   in reply to m.kellerman

    I'm going to try to stay out of the merits of the argument -- I agree that it's an odd flow, but that you also need to provide what the specs say. What worries me here is that one very likely reason for requiring single page flattened PDF is that the printer simply cannot handle a true PDF workflow and is imposing the document by placing the individual pages into Quark Xpress. This was pretty common even ten years ago, but it can be a real disaster for the the type of complex PDF that current versions of ID produce (hence the requirement for version 1.3 files). I have no idea what happens with this workflow using recent versions of Quark, but I'd be that anyone still working this way hasn't made a hardware or software upgrade in years, and that's why the price is so low.

     

    With that in the back of my head, I surely would be circumspect about using transparency, and I wouldn't necessarily expect any sort of color fidelity. Make sure you get a contract proof.

     
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    Dec 21, 2011 4:38 AM   in reply to m.kellerman

    I'm just a little curious why you find a script to be less desirable in this instance than a menu command or option in the export dialog? Attaching a shortcut to the script would make it essentially a one-step execution. I'm sure, too, atha tht existing scripts could be modified to use whatever PDF settings you like, or to give you the ability to choose.

     
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    Dec 21, 2011 5:38 AM   in reply to winterm

    In a case like that, troubleshooting would certainly be necessary and having a script to handle it a page at a time would be great.

     

     

     

    As for the change, any printer worth anything would be able to replace a single page in a PDF.

     

     

     

    But again, any printer that requires this is raising a very big red flag for me.

     

     

     

    Sorry, but I’m not sold on either of those explanations for doing this as a matter of course.

     

     

     

    Bob

     
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    Dec 21, 2011 5:47 AM   in reply to m.kellerman
    In a different thread I'm a little pissed that the Ink Manager's “All spots to process” checkbox is saved as part of the PDF Preset but then not actually honored, as it only remembers the spot colors present when the PDF Preset was saved, and not any other ones. That checkbox is acting like a button and not a checkbox, and should be changed into a button, with a checkbox that acts like a checkbox and makes sure that all spot colors are in fact always converted to process colors when that PDF Preset is in use.

    I'm not familiar with that issue but on the surface it sounds like a bug. Have you reported it?

     

    https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

     

    Bob

     
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    Dec 21, 2011 6:07 AM   in reply to m.kellerman

    I don't think i will ever understand the attitude of some that set there way of doing things in cement.

    There are more different workflows out there that have been working for more years then most of the people that say this or that workflow is not the way to do it, you should do it our way.

    In this forum it should be a question asked how to do something and then someone giving that answer, not mocking the way someone has setup there workflow.

    Suggestion on what they consider a better way, but not to mock someone.

    Keep in mind the people that ask questions in here are the silly buggers that have to work for a living and that have to get a job done on a deadline and answer to higher powers that may or may not be set in the way they do things.

    Ideas are great but take time to implement. My workflow is changing all the time but I also have to take everyone else & the machinery in the office along for the ride and just can't go around changing everything for the sake of a better workflow. (pitty but true)

    Saying you don't trust a printer because they do not do everything the same as everyone else is a waste of typing.

    The printer can be a very honest fellow and usually are, supplying their customers with the best price they can leads to limits to upgrading.

    And from what I have heard of late Adobe has made that just that much more expensive.

     
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    Dec 21, 2011 6:27 AM   in reply to mckayk_777

    Nobody’s mocking anyone. Simply pointing out that this isn’t a recommended way of doing things.

     

     

     

    To propose that Adobe spend its limited resources (contrary to popular belief and the constant comparison to Apple or Microsoft, Adobe is not that large a company) on things that really shouldn’t be done in a standard workflow when perfectly acceptable workarounds exist is what I don’t understand.

     

     

     

    There are scripts and Acrobat features that do this. The likelihood of it being any kind of a priority at Adobe is very, very small, IMO.

     

     

     

    Bob

     
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    Dec 21, 2011 7:08 AM   in reply to mckayk_777

    In this forum it should be a question asked how to do something and then someone giving that answer, not mocking the way someone has setup there workflow.

     

    The answer was given—use a script. The scripting engine is comprehensive and it exists to extend the program when a feature is not universally desired as is the case here.

     

    There are a lot of free export scripts out there and it isn't a problem to include a preset list dialog. If you are using OSX I can post an Applescript that has one.

     
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    Dec 21, 2011 10:01 AM   in reply to mckayk_777

    mckayk_777, thumbs up!

    thank you for telling this loud and clear, I couldn't do better due to my not-so-good English.

    If you don't mind, I sign under your text too.

     

    to Bob:

    Yes, my printer CAN manage all-in-one pdf's, but printer guys asked me to supply separate pages for that particular job (frankly, I don't care so much, why), so why not? Usually my printers see no difference here. It can be done with Acrobat, I decided to use a script. The prints are still fine, no imposition mistakes, prices are acceptable to client. If I refuse to do it for the sake of "better" workflow, I'm not sure client will change the printer. They can decide to change the designer... Clients usually have no clue about any prepress workflows, modern or obsolete. Even more, they're happy not having any… So we must have both guns loaded and ready to use.

     

    Peace and Merry Christmas to everyone

     
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    Dec 21, 2011 1:18 PM   in reply to m.kellerman

    m.kellerman wrote:

    And sure, if you like scripts, you could use one of those (maybe even modify it somehow to cull and apply those names – if you're fluent enough to pull that off),


    @m.kellerman:
    You can get this functionality with PDFExportCropper.jsxbin, a script by Loic Aigon.
    See:

     

    http://www.loicaigon.com/blog/?p=876

     

    Don't miss the comments at the end of the blog.

     

     

    Merry christmas!
    Uwe

     
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    Dec 21, 2011 2:57 PM   in reply to Laubender

    @Laubender

     

    NICE!!

     
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    Dec 21, 2011 3:06 PM   in reply to m.kellerman

    m.kellerman wrote:

    Let's take all of this from the top shall we:

     

    Q I'd like to see functionality X in InDesign because of Y, but can't find it anywhere in the app, so I'm relying on other solutions for now.

    Do you guys know if there's a way to achieve this in InDesign, or do I need to stick with workarounds?

     

    A Nope, sorry, you're stuck with workarounds so far. You can try Z instead of what you're using now, here's a link or some info or whatever.

     

    Q Aww, that's too bad, given how quick and easy such a small thing could be fixed.

     

    A Yeah, but most people are ok with one of the workarounds, and it's not a highly requested feature so that's probably that.

     

    In a case like this, the best you can hope for is workarounds for the present, and a possible new feature added to a future version (and make a strong use case) by filling out the feature request form: Adobe - Feature Request/Bug Report Form

     

    New features are added based on, among other things, the cost/benefit ratio and the number of users who might benefit.

     
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    Dec 21, 2011 3:07 PM   in reply to Peter Spier

    Forgot to add don't expect instant gratification. I think it took 4 versions for Illustrator style panels to finally make the grade.

     
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    Dec 26, 2011 3:28 AM   in reply to m.kellerman

    I use scripts for all my PDF exporting — a couple of double-clicks is all it takes — actually quicker than 'normal' exporting.

     

    The one I use ALL the time in a publishing workflow exports specified pages as separate PDFS — you can see part of the explanation for it and download a copy here.

    I've adapted that script to download every page as a separate PDF — which you can download here.

     

    The only thing you'd need to do is first open it in Script Editor (found in applications > applescript) and change the first line to your version of InDesign.

    Save it in your scripts panel folder and off you go. It creates a subfolder in the same location as the InDesign file and lets you know when it's finished.

     

    The beauty of Applescript is that you could have a look at it and immediately see some of the things you might like to change (like the name of the folder the PDFs are saved in, or how the PDFs are named)

    In its current form, this one truncates the name to the first space, then appends the page number (so "This File Of Mine.indd" exports to "This_1.pdf", "This_2.pdf", etc)

     

    Maybe that will help someone.

    m.

     
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    Jun 19, 2012 2:17 PM   in reply to cdflash

    It intrigues me that M. Kellerman comes here to ask for help in finding resources to get a task done and 90% of the responses are in no way related to resolving his issue.  I was recently tasked with created a huge amount of black plate for print over some previously created collateral.  Rather than wasting time by arduously going through 350+ entries my methodology employed using Datamerge to do the huge part of the work.  I then used the script provided in this thread to export each plate to a different PDF, and finally another program to batch rename the files based off a spreadsheet.

     

    You're likely wondering why all this was required.  Because we are sending these black plates to something like 20 different printers local to each of our holdings to be printed there.  The filenames had to be exact, the information exact... and I was not about to spend 5 hours to hand type out all that garbage.

     

    Ideally I could have not only exported each page individually but applied a name to each from some attribute of the page other than the number... c'est la vie.

     

    Regardless of the discussion of workflow previously, there are some quite valid uses for such a function -- none of which damage or hinder a good workflow they simply address a completely different need. 

     
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    Jun 19, 2012 6:19 PM   in reply to Robert.Ralph

    Robert.Ralph wrote:

     

    It intrigues me that M. Kellerman comes here to ask for help in finding resources to get a task done and 90% of the responses are in no way related to resolving his issue.

    This shouldn't really be a surprise. Threads go off topic, and they take tangents, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

    When the answer to the question is fairly short-and-sweet ("Yes, there's really no way, short of scripting, Acrobat Pro, or third party tools"), there's really not much more to say on the topic than that.

     

    So once that happens, there's really no point in looking at the volume or ratio of responses (your 90%). The ratio is only goign to increase in favor of non-responsive discussion.

     

    It's a lot more interesting to discuss the apparent tangents of why the functionality is requested.

    That's true for a lot of reasons.

    One of them is that oftentimes there is a workflow problem when this kind of feature is asked for, and getting to the bottom of that problem is good for everyone. But that's not the only reason. It'd be silly to go and categorize the reasons why all the tangents here are of interest.

     
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    Jun 20, 2012 5:48 AM   in reply to Robert.Ralph

    Regardless of the discussion of workflow previously, there are some quite valid uses for such a function -- none of which damage or hinder a good workflow they simply address a completely different need.

     

    ID's probably has the most thorough scripting API of any app out there—there are even things you can script that aren't in the GUI. It's there for good reason—you think single page PDFs are important, I would never dream of sending out a job as single PDFs. No matter how feature rich ID gets there will be users who think the Adobe engineers are idiots for not including the items on their wishlist. There are thousands of free scripts that address unusual workflows like single page PDFs.

     
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    Mar 11, 2013 5:21 PM   in reply to Rob Day

    I have a situation now that requires single pages to be exported. I've set up an ad campaign where each indd page is a separate ad. Keeping them all in one file allows alternate layouts, etc. I'd love to be able to export the document into separate .pdfs that can be sent to publications as needed.

     
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    Mar 11, 2013 5:29 PM   in reply to debmccabe

    The easiest way maybe is to get the script "Page Exporter Utiility" it has an option to send entire file at once or to export as seperate pages.

    The seperate pages will export all your pages (short of deleting all pages not wanted then exporting the reverting) there is no way around this that I know of.

     

    Goodluck

     
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    Mar 11, 2013 5:33 PM   in reply to m.kellerman

    You can also export normally, then use Acrobat Pro to extract the pages to separate files....

     
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    Mar 12, 2013 2:46 AM   in reply to debmccabe

    see response 31 — it directs you to a free script for download — and gives instructions for how to use it.

     

    the script accesses your saved export presets — so it should integrate smoothly with whatever your current workflow is.

     

    d.

     
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    Jun 19, 2013 4:07 PM   in reply to m.kellerman

    So here's my situation: I'm using InDesign to manage 200+ pages of tech sheets for a company.  Each tech sheet must be exported separately as PDFs because they're delivered as separate PDFs, not as a complete library.  The obvious benefit of using InDesign and having all the tech sheets in a single file is because then I can edit and update Master Pages and have the changes reflected in all of the tech sheets.  The major downside though is that when exporting the PDFs either using PEU5 or manually, the file name must be specified manually for each tech sheet.  I'm trying to figure out a way to pull the TS # from each page and using that as the filename (using a hacked version of PEU5), but thus far have been unsuccessful.  It seems like a simple enough task, but InDesign seems to have no way to name Pages or to specify certain fields in a way that would allow them to be easily grabbed by my customized PEU5 script.

     

    Anyone have a good solution?  Thanks.

     
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