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Initial Folder Structure For LR3

Dec 31, 2011 11:17 AM

Tags: #library #import #lr3 #folders

Greetings from an LR3 newbie.  One of the primary reasons I purchased LR3 was for it's organizational capabilities.  That said, I want to make every effort I can to get the hard drive folders in a particular order before beginning LR3 importing.  I've read quite a few articles, many forum discussions, and watched several tutorial videos on the subject.  But what I really need right now is a sanity check before I do a lot of hard drive restructuring and have no particular gain.

 

I definitely have an existing folder system. I tend to remember where a photo was taken rather when the photo was taken.  One primary problem that I think I have is that none of my images currently contain metadata or keywords that point to location, subject, etc. So ...

 

Three things here:  1) I would be very interested in hearing your personal approach to original folder structure.  2)  I've read where a lot of people simply have their hard-drive folder structure set up as "YYYY-MM-DD" format, and utilize LR3 metadata and collections from there.  Ideas on that?  3) Take a look at the image below.  This is my current folder structure.  Is there any reason why I can't leave this as-is? 

 

 

Thanks!

 

Kevin

 

 

folder system.jpg

 
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    Dec 31, 2011 11:40 AM   in reply to Kevin Childress

    Kevin Childress wrote:

     

    Greetings from an LR3 newbie.  One of the primary reasons I purchased LR3 was for it's organizational capabilities.  That said, I want to make every effort I can to get the hard drive folders in a particular order before beginning LR3 importing.

    I will suggest that getting your hard drive folders into a particular order before using Lightroom is entirely unnecessary.

     

    The reason I say that is because Lightroom provides you with organizational tools that are much more powerful than any organization you can achieve with folders. Lightroom's keywords, captions and other metadata should be where you are going to spend your time and effort. Leave your folders alone ... don't move them at all ... import the photos into LR, and then begin adding keywords and other metadata to your photos. Do not spend a second trying to move photos or folders from here to there, or renaming photos or folders.

     

    From this point forward, you should use Lightroom tools as your organizing tool. You will no longer browse your folders in your operating system to find your photos.

     

    For example, all photos in your Blue Ridge Parkway folders and sub-folders could receive the "Blue Ridge Parkway" keyword. In addition, you can add more detailed keywords, such as Mt Pisgah, Craggy Gardens, etc., and keywords indicating people in the photo, and so on. So, if you want to find photos of Craggy Gardens also contain your daughter "Jennifer", Lightroom makes this search extremely simple to do.

     

    Do not spend a second trying to add calendar based folders to what you already have. The instant you import your photos into Lightroom, you have the ability to search your photos by year, or year/month, or year/month/date, or any sequence of those. This feature of Lightroom does not have to be turned on, it is available immediately (assuming your photos came from a digital camera and not a scanner).

     
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    Dec 31, 2011 11:30 AM   in reply to Kevin Childress

    Kevin,

     

    You would be better off just using one of Lightroom's date-based folder structures on input and spending all that effort on keywording your photos.

     

    Think about it: an image can live in exactly one folder, but it can possibly have dozens of attributes (certainly more than one attribute) that you might want to search on. On the other hand, a photo can have as many keywords attached as it has attributes. A complicated folder structure will drive you crazy, and won't help you much. Where are you going to place a picture of a family member that you took while traveling to Lake James?

     

    If Family is an important category for you, you can make it a keyword and set up a smart collection that is composed of all pictures that carry the "family" keyword.

     

    With keywords, you don't need to search through your folders to find things. Folders become just a place to keep images in on a disk.

     

    And keywording can be as much fun as figuring out how you want a folder structure to be, and is way more rewarding.

     

    Happy New Year,

     

    Hal

     
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    Dec 31, 2011 12:14 PM   in reply to Kevin Childress

    Kevin, I would recommend leaving your existing structure as is, this will enble your current sorting to be visible in Lightroom where it will be easier to add keywords, etc for future grouping. If you move them to date based folders upon importing them you will loose your current groupings making easy keywording much more difficult.

    Going forward you can import into y/m/d folders while keywording as you go. Then later you can rearrange the existing structure if you decide to.

     
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    Dec 31, 2011 12:55 PM   in reply to Kevin Childress

    Kevin Childress wrote:

     

    In the future, when I need to add new locations, or year_month folders, what would be the best way to do so?  A) create the folders on the hard drive as I always have, and import the new material?  or B) Will LR3 allow me to create this same structure during import so that I will have a consistently formatted backup on disk?

    I agree with Geoff. When importing new photos, do the easiest thing possible, use the Lightroom Import's defaults which will create folders based on the capture date of the photo(s). You might want to spend a minute to make sure these new folders will be sub-folders of "Kevin's Pictures". Thereafter, creating the folders takes zero seconds of time, and no thought on your part.

     

    As another piece of advice, I recommend you just stop thinking about folder structure. Just stop. You don't need to think about folder structure any more because you will not use folders to find your photos, you will use Lightroom tools like keywords and other metadata to do all searching, and you will use Lightroom for all photo management. Now, to clarify, on day 1 of your Lightroom usage, you have no choice but to continue to use folders, in the Lightroom Folder panel, not your operating system, to find photos, because you have no keywords. Lightroom leaves your folder structure intact. As you add keywords and other metadata, you should stop using folders and use these new, more powerful tools.

     
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    Dec 31, 2011 2:14 PM   in reply to Kevin Childress

    I agree with all of the previous advise, especially that of leaving your existing folder structure alone for the foreseeable future.

     

    I see no reason why you can't have it all: a folder structure that you are used to, and the organizing tools of LR.  Your current folder structure isn't difficult, and if you wish to continuing using it while you're learning LR in the new year, then why not? As you get more into the flow of adding metadata, then you can adjust your folder structure as you go. You'll need time to adjust to a new workflow, so there is no need to force a big change on yourself all at once.

     

    Myself, I use a simple date based folder structure that is also descriptive of the event. It's easy to create & maintain, so why not? One thing to remember is what happens to your photos after you are gone. Having a folder structure that is somewhat organized will be much appreciated by your heirs (who may not be that savy with photo software) or future owners of your business archive.

     
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    Dec 31, 2011 2:54 PM   in reply to PhotoGAP

    for initial importing of your past work, your location based folders will help selecting & assigning keywords & populating IPTC fields easily

     

    going forward, a simple CCYY MM structure is best, otherwise you're 'organizing' in 2 different places, with very good chance of getting out of sync.

     

    i would also recommend you use the LOCATION IPTC fields (Country, State, City, Location), since LR and many other apps understand what these are (as opposed to keywords), so no confusion between "Paris" the city vs. the celeb or the hotel.

     

    another recommendation - for each of your cameras w/ multiple ACR Camera Profiles available, do some tests to decide the one you want as a default. Also decide which lenses you'd like to apply corrections to automatically during importing, and make that the default. I prefer to do this prior to importing, because a mass change to change these profiles after tehy are in your catalog will add an "adjustment" icon to the file & i prefer to only see this icon on files i've edited (worked on). hope this makes sense!

     

    good luck!

     
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    Jan 1, 2012 6:01 AM   in reply to Kevin Childress

    I kept my existing folder structure when I started using LR.  In my case I found it easier to start with a date-based folder structure, so I had a file structure like this:

     

    http://www.simongarrett.co.uk/CaptureWindowsFolders.JPG

     

    And I imported the top level photo folder ("Photo Album"), so I got an LR structure like this:

     

    http://www.simongarrett.co.uk/CaptureLRFolders.JPG

     
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