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Request for Video Features

Jan 10, 2012 7:08 PM

Tags: #videos #video #lightroom_4 #lightroom4

Hello,

Here's what I'd like to see added to the video support:

Keyboard shortcuts: most particularly j/k/l support (reverse/play/fast-forward) and Mark-in/out
Support for XML output from a collection of video clips (such as Final Cut XML, or the Premiere equivalent)
Recognition of .dv files- these are just .mov files, and renaming my .dv files as .mov makes them usable; but renaming is a pain
Ability to clip a trimmed selection to a virtual copy
Support for multiple marker types, not just in/out
Ability to play clips before/past the marked in/out points- right now we have to move the trim points to view the exluded portion
And at some point- noise reduction capability

What do others think?

Don

2172 Views 28 Replies Latest reply: Josh Himes, Feb 17, 2012 10:03 PM

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1. RusticLightPhotography,

Jan 10, 2012 11:45 PM in reply to quixocrates1

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ditto!

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2. geoffboyle,

Jan 10, 2012 11:51 PM in reply to quixocrates1

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And fro DPX files which are not listed, its the universal exchange format!

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3. paulhirst,

Jan 11, 2012 12:04 AM in reply to quixocrates1

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I'd really echo ability to create a virtual copy from the clipped section, or at least some way to "apply" the mark in/out like when you crop an image, once you close the crop tool you just see the cropped image, not the whole thing. Working with a few minutes / seconds of video in the middle of an hour long clip is difficult as it is.

Also be able to expand he timeline in the clip editor to use more of the horizontal screen space available. Even make it multi-line. Trying to find a short (few minutes / seconds) section to clip out of a long (~ hour or more) movie file is very difficult. Add a pulldown to set how many video seconds each frame in the timeline represents.

Is there a way to chain together several diferent clips from different video files into one when you export it as a movie? If not, there should be. Basic workflow - trim and adjust each clip, then stick them together in order.

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4. Seán McCormack,

Jan 11, 2012 12:45 AM in reply to quixocrates1

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1. Shift I for in and Shift O for out.

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5. scream*,

Jan 11, 2012 4:22 AM in reply to quixocrates1

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Video trimming does not work properly. I'm finding that:
a. The edited clip still includes an earlier part of the file (AVCHD) which stutters into the desired bit.
b. The end point doesn't appear to be precise.

As a separately reported point, Slideshow does not play the clips, it just shows a poster frame - that's a major weakness.

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6. Cristian Samoila,

Jan 11, 2012 8:05 AM in reply to scream*

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Requests for integration with Premiere Pro/After Effects/:
1. Export group of videos and photos in the selected user order as sequence in Premiere Pro.
2. Export/Edit in Premiere Pro as such or with the In/Out points.
3. Export the videos or add to queue in Media Encoder with the added metadata.

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7. Jerry Who?,

Jan 11, 2012 12:27 PM in reply to quixocrates1

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I would like to be able to start and stop play by clicking in the expanded video image.

I would like to see "Edit in Premire, Edit in After Effects" as options when I right click a video file. I would like to see this in the menu bar as well - Similar to the myriad of choices I get when I right click a RAW or jpeg file.

With out this - Everyone still needs Bridge to browse and organize video files.
I would like to see more stuff "greyed out" if it has no function in the Video Pane.

Kudos, the product works very well on my 64bit Windows machine. I love the simple color editing and find it very easy to get pleasing results.

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8. hoffsta1,

Jan 11, 2012 12:48 PM in reply to quixocrates1

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How come it doesn't have an NLE built in? You mean I still have to use Final Cut???

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9. Seán McCormack,

Jan 11, 2012 12:50 PM in reply to hoffsta1

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Hey hoffsta1, Lightroom is a photo program with some video capabilities. It's not a video production suite, nor is the the intention for the program.

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10. hoffsta1,

Jan 11, 2012 12:58 PM in reply to Seán McCormack

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This was a major joke aimed at drawing attention to the bloat of a formerly efficient photo manager/editor. I'm actually lamenting all the video stuff as I use Lightroom exclusively as an efficient photo editor that I fear will become slow and swiss-army-knife-ish. I propose two projects, "LR" and "LR Video"

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11. Seán McCormack,

Jan 11, 2012 1:14 PM in reply to hoffsta1

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I'd like it to go one step further, not quite NLE, but I'd like to have video in the Slideshow and a basic timeline to go with it. Mostly for behind the scenes stuff, and better timing on photo hits.

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12. scream*,

Jan 11, 2012 3:00 PM in reply to Seán McCormack

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Absolutely - the ability to include video clips in slideshows would be a real step forward.

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13. shamo42,

Jan 11, 2012 3:25 PM in reply to Jerry Who?

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I would like to have an option "Edit in After Effects" or some other app as well.

LR4's non destructive video editing is great but doesn't make much sense if I can't import the clips with other software.

Exporting videos is too limited in the current beta (50 fps get converted to 30 fps, bit rate is too low, etc)

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14. vallhalla_net,

Jan 12, 2012 8:03 AM in reply to quixocrates1

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Would be nice the option to export multiple selected videos into a single file (i.e. merging them together, giving a way to set the order of the various selected clips in the export dialog)

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15. macuser88,

Jan 12, 2012 9:15 AM in reply to quixocrates1

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http://eduardoangel.com/2012/01/10/adobe-lightroom-4-hdslr-video-suppo rt-explained/

All of Lightroom 4 Beta's Video Features explained in this article.

Hope this helps!

Best,

John

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16. franky_houle,

Jan 12, 2012 9:48 AM in reply to macuser88

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I will like to be able to color correct video directly in the develop module (Doesn't work for now).
l will like to be able to export video in different codecs available in my computer, like ProRes 422, (only 2 options for now).
Inside the Collection Panel, I will like to be able to export a video collection in a XML file for FCP or Avid or Première or AE.
Like Adobe Bridge, I will like to be able to customize metadata fields I want to see (in the Preferences Panel).
And I will like to see a Server Version of it, to be able to share catalogues with many photo managers.

Other than that, I like it verry much.

François

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17. richsimmo12,

Jan 12, 2012 4:11 PM in reply to franky_houle

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I'm with franky_houle, I would love to see video export with all my available codecs

I shoot stills and video with a Canon 7D, using the Technicolor Cinestyle profile. I would love to be able to injest the files into a catalog, keyword tag, change names, adjust color, contrast, sharpness, exposure, etc and the export to ProRes or another more useful format. Or at least, like Jerry Who? suggested, a 'Edit in whatever' option would be very helpful.

I do use Premiere Pro 5.5 for personal work, but I work with a team that uses Final Cut 7. H.264 isn't useful at all in Final Cut.

I like the progress with LR in the area of video. I've been trying to use LR as a DAM for some time. Keep up the good work Adobe!

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18. Teknoid030,

Jan 18, 2012 1:49 PM in reply to quixocrates1

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I agree with Seán McCormack, lightroom is intended for photo's. But I really like the way one can sort and tag photo's and since Lightroom 4 video's. I will leave the editting of video's to dedicated programs. But what I noticed is that the tagging system of video's doesn't work properly, it doesn't store the tags in the file like it does with photo's. And as such it will not work out side of Lightroom. I hope they will fix this problem. Is this the right way to adress it? Or is there a better problem report/feature request program?

I'm looking forward to the final version of LR4!

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19. scream*,

Jan 18, 2012 4:50 PM in reply to quixocrates1

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To expand on the support for video in Slideshow:
1. It would be good to have the basic facility to include video clips in LR slideshows - the beta doesn't seem to offer this even though one can play video elsewhere in LR4, which seems odd.
2. This facility seems to me to be a necessity - most cameras offer video - many people (I can't evidence 'most') shoot some video alongside stills - and all our monitors are designed to show video landscape format!
3. Offering Books before enabling video in Slideshow seems perverse - one only needs to export a few images to build a typical book - slideshows usually contain many more images. So the hassle of exporting, using another app etc is much greater for slidesows.
4. Beyond this basic facility, I'm not an advocate of other video editing capability - that seems to take us into a much wider realm that has a lot of specialised needs.

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20. Luc Bourgeois,

Jan 18, 2012 6:49 PM in reply to franky_houle

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I totally agree that being able to import full resolution Pro Res (HQ) and full resolution H.264 (straight from a 5D) and to ouput to full resolution Pro Res (HQ) would make Lr part of many video editing workflows; and I would use this today!

Being able to dynamically apply develop setting on an example frame from a clip would be awesome.

The lower resolution files are OK for the web, but even then, it's always nice to have a full resolution master.

Thanks

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21. Seán McCormack,

Jan 18, 2012 7:24 PM in reply to Luc Bourgeois

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DPX is there for full resolution output Luc. I suspect Pro Res would require license from Apple, and add additional cost to the program. You can do the conversion from H.264 to Pro Res for free in MPEG Streamclip in batches already.
You can already take a capture frame and process in Develop and sync to the video from there (not all settings are for video though).

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22. Luc Bourgeois,

Jan 18, 2012 7:48 PM in reply to Seán McCormack

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I imported a 286 mb ProRes (HQ) file and exported to DPX: I got 308 files (2.5g) that I can't read. (Although I'm willing to try, but not tonight).

What would be great is importing H.264 from a DSLR; developing the clip/exporting to a high-quality video formal, such as Pro Res. (ProRes has the advantage of going straight into FCP).

The current H.264 export does apply the dev settings (still roughly) but compresses the file about tenfold. My original 286mb file becomes unnaceptable at 38 mb.

Cheers

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23. Seán McCormack,

Jan 18, 2012 7:58 PM in reply to Luc Bourgeois

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What setting are you choosing on export, because I'm not seeing a reduction like that? In fact I'm seeing an increase using the Max setting in H.264 after applying settings. You don't have it on Low or Med by any chance?

DPX is for Premiere, but 5D H.264 playsback there natively anyway.

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24. Luc Bourgeois,

Jan 18, 2012 8:04 PM in reply to Seán McCormack

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I'm on max. Pedal to the metal. ;-)

But my original file was Pro Res. Think it would make a diff if I came in with H.264?

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25. Seán McCormack,

Jan 18, 2012 8:08 PM in reply to Luc Bourgeois

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Possibly. As I only used AIC with FCE before going with Premiere, I've nothing readily converted. (and that was done via MPEG Streamclip too.. such a useful tool!)

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26. Luc Bourgeois,

Jan 18, 2012 8:22 PM in reply to Seán McCormack

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One minute H.264 1920x1080 (360mb) at best quality H.264 export = 171 mb: FAIL!

Besides, I don't think I'd like the math in converting from delivery codec to delivery codec.

So, as it stands now, no serious use of Lr 4 in a DOP workflow. The potential is so close...

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27. Seán McCormack,

Jan 18, 2012 8:32 PM in reply to Luc Bourgeois

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I don't think it'll happen Luc, it's not meant to be a full blown editor. (But like I said earlier in the thread, I'd like some form of video timeline in Slideshow).

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28. Josh Himes,

Feb 17, 2012 10:03 PM in reply to quixocrates1

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I shoot time-lapse photography and would like to use the slideshow module video export function to create my footage. As it stands, the existing codec and bitrate limitations make LR video export unusable for high quality output. 4K support and the ability to choose the codec (for example ProRes 422HQ) are sorely needed upgrades to make the video export usable for anything beyond web display. We need editing friendly codecs...H.264 in the current implementation is not up to the task.

Regards,

Josh Himes

*This is an excerpt from an earlier feature request post which can be found here: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4214630#4214630

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