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Stop at last frame animation problem.

Jan 25, 2012 1:41 AM

Hello wonder if anyone can help me.?

 

Very very simple 2 state animation 0.5 sec fade...

 

It works fine in desktop viewer..

 

Behaves very manic in content viewer....does not stop at last frame, it sometimes starts flashing even...

 

I am on latest tools and builder and content viewer

 

Thanks GP1

 
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    Jan 25, 2012 5:03 AM   in reply to Grandparade1

    This seems to be the exact problem I am having. Desktop viewer is fine, Content viewer does not stop at last frame, it just goes into loop mode.

     
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    Jan 25, 2012 5:04 AM   in reply to Grandparade1

    This appears to be a bug somewhere. I’m having the same problem with the tools and viewer that were released this week.

     

     

     

    Slideshows that worked just fine aren’t working now and I don’t know if the bug is in the tools or viewer. I’m trying to find that out.

     

     

     

    Bob

     
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    Jan 25, 2012 5:06 AM   in reply to Bob Levine

    Cool thank you. This bug is driving me nuts. I've tried reversing it, using PNGs, starting a fresh INDD and folio but still nothing. Please keep us posted.

     
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    Jan 25, 2012 5:07 AM   in reply to Bob Levine

    Oh and I don't think it's the new Content Viewer app, I get the same results using a custom viewer builder app ( v18 ).

     
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    Jan 25, 2012 5:10 AM   in reply to ArcInteractive

    They are basically the same thing. So, it still can be a V18 viewer bug.

     
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    Jan 25, 2012 5:16 AM   in reply to Tomek Kuczborski

    Yeah good point.

     
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  • Bob Bringhurst
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    Jan 25, 2012 4:05 PM   in reply to ArcInteractive

    I just confirmed that not stopping at the last state of an MSO is a v18 bug. On the iPad viewer, selecting Auto Play and Stop at Last Image unfortunately stops at the first image.

     

    The program team rebuilt the button and MSO overlays to enable embedded overlays. The testers tried to make sure that the rework didn't affect legacy overlays, but we missed this one.

     
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    Jan 25, 2012 4:09 PM   in reply to Bob Bringhurst

    Any update on when they might fix this?

     

     

     

    Bob

     
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    Jan 25, 2012 4:26 PM   in reply to Bob Levine

    Unless there is a special interim hot fix for the tools, it won't be until the v19 release scheduled for February. I'll let you know if I get more details.

     
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    Jan 25, 2012 4:33 PM   in reply to Bob Bringhurst

    Thanks for confirming.

     

    Hopefully there's a hot fix soon.

     

    GP1 not sure what you're trying to fade but for my text title fades I'm going to just use the HTML5 method.

     
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    Jan 30, 2012 8:40 AM   in reply to Bob Bringhurst

    Hi Bob,

     

    Long time listener, first time caller :-)

     

    This bug is driving me crazy. I had so many nice page effects going on and now can't use any of them...I don't really want to roll back but might have to.

     

    Any ideas when the next release will be in Feb?


    Thanks,

     

    Rob

     
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    Jan 30, 2012 12:34 PM   in reply to Rob_S-D

    I'll have more details on when this bug will be fixed within a day or so. Let's hope it gets fixed soon...

     
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    Jan 30, 2012 1:22 PM   in reply to Bob Bringhurst

    I’ll drink to that…or just about anything else at this point.

     

     

     

    Bob

     
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    Jan 30, 2012 1:34 PM   in reply to Bob Levine

    It's my round

     
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    Jan 31, 2012 1:20 AM   in reply to Grandparade1

    I am getting similar behaviour with a multi state (2 states) that has two pannable images.

     

    Procedure followed:

    1. Place img in large frame;

    2. Cut frame, paste into smaller frame;

    3. Select pan only overlay for smaller frame;

    4. Cut smaller frame;

    5. Paste into state 1 of multi state;

    6. Repeat 1-5 for second image/state 2.

     

    Output: works flawless in desktop preview, but multi-state invisible on pad. Interesting note: multi-state is in the folio somehow, because touching in its location shows scrollbars, just not the content images...

     

    Is my procedure wrong, or is this a similar or the same bug?

     

    @Bob, can this be added to fixlist?

     
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    Jan 31, 2012 4:42 AM   in reply to meijerd

    I haven’t tried that yet but what if you set them to pan and zoom?

     

     

     

    Bob

     
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    Jan 31, 2012 5:26 PM   in reply to Bob Levine

    Many of these MSO bugs have been fixed with changes to the Viewer Builder client. See the announcement at the top of the main DPS forum for details.

     
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    Feb 1, 2012 1:29 AM   in reply to Grandparade1

    Hi Bob,

    Do I need to install a new version of Folio Producer with Viewer Builder to make sure these fixes work on my and clients' pads when they download the folio for testing?

    Thanks, d

     
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    Feb 1, 2012 11:51 AM   in reply to meijerd

    No, you don't need a new version of the tools. These MSO bugs were all problems with the iPad viewer, and the store version of the iPad viewer still has these bugs. If you have a Pro or Enterprise account, you can create a new custom Adobe Content Viewer that addresses these bugs. If you have a Single Edition licence, the bugs are addressed in the development viewer you create. But if you're just using the iPad viewer from the App Store, these bugs still exist.

     
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    Feb 1, 2012 1:24 PM   in reply to Grandparade1

    [quote] You do not need to update your Viewer Builder. Use the Viewer Builder to create a new custom Content Viewer or custom viewer app. A new version of the Adobe Content Viewer will not be submitted to Apple, so the only way to take advantage of these bug fixes is through the Viewer Builder.

    [/quote]

     

    ?????

    Excuse me?

     

    What does this mean for all the workgroups I teach coming weeks and are testing on their iPads? They just can forget about showcases on their devices untill...  Untill what or when?

     

    Na, do not understand this AT ALL...

     
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    Feb 1, 2012 1:51 PM   in reply to Frans van der Geest

    From your tone, I can't tell if you're asking for a clarification or making a rhetorical objection. I'll assume that you're asking for clarification. You don't have a Pro subscription, so you can't create a custom Content Viewer. And even if you could create a custom Content Viewer, you would need to provision it with all the iPad UDIDs of your students, which doesn't work. As I see it, you have two options:

     

    Option 1) Use the current tools. In your workgroups, avoid MSOs that hit the bug areas (timing and stop on last image). Or include it and mention that it's a bug with the current iPad Content Viewer, but it works as intended on the Desktop Viewer.

     

    Option 2) Roll back to v17 tools. Your MSOs will work, but you won't be able to demo nested overlays in slideshows or other v18 features.

     
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    Feb 1, 2012 10:03 PM   in reply to Bob Bringhurst

    [QOUTE]

    Option 1) Use the current tools. In your workgroups, avoid MSOs that hit the bug areas (timing and stop on last image). Or include it and mention that it's a bug with the current iPad Content Viewer, but it works as intended on the Desktop Viewer.

     

    Option 2) Roll back to v17 tools. Your MSOs will work, but you won't be able to demo nested overlays in slideshows or other v18 features.

    [\QUOTE]

     

    Exactly. That was what I don't understand - that this is indeed so.

    I'll mention the bug and the policy in resolving the bug.

    It will not go down well...

     
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    Feb 2, 2012 12:31 AM   in reply to Frans van der Geest

    Basically, if you aren't a Pro Licensed user, you will be stuck with the bugs until a new version of the Adobe Content Viewer is released to the app store. Should be around next Sprint at the end of February I believe. Unless Adobe submit a revised version for Apple's approval before this with the MSO bugs fixed.

     

    That is the reality. Again even if they do submit a new version prior to Sprint 19, you will still need to wait for Apple to approve it.

     

    In my opinion, and I'm not sure what your lectures comprise of, but I'm assuming they can't be completely reliant on features that have just been released, the most sensible option for you would be to roll back to v17 and work with this.

     

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    Bob, thanks for the awesome turnaround on the hotfix. It's awesome to know that you guys do what you can, when you can.

     
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    Feb 2, 2012 12:58 AM   in reply to ArcInteractive

    > and I'm not sure what your lectures comprise of, but I'm assuming they can't be completely reliant on features that have just been released, the most sensible option for you would be to roll back to v17 and work with this.

     

    Not completely anymore no, because of the bugs! But 1.7 won't allow for PDF zoom on interactive pages. Would love to show and teach that.

    Do you fully understand how this is: telling them, no, will not preview on your iPad (same for shared folios!!) or loose functionality and revert back to 1.7

    Simply not to sell to clients this message....

     
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    Feb 2, 2012 1:39 AM   in reply to Frans van der Geest

    DPS is getting really hard to teach, with all that different versions of

    viewers, accounts, folios, server positions, device differences, ...

    fragmentation!

     

    —Johannes

     
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    Feb 2, 2012 1:43 AM   in reply to Johannes Eckert

    Johannes,

     

    do you see differences between rendering new interactive elements from the uploaded folio versus folio displayed via USB?

    Or is it only me? My tests come out OK via USB and fail with vanishing text  when downloaded from the cloud.

     

    Tomek

     
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    Feb 2, 2012 1:55 AM   in reply to Tomek Kuczborski

    aaah yes!

    Scrollable Frames inside MSOs: Working on USB-Preview and invisible through

    the server.

     

    Now I know why!

    Thanks. But, what happens here, Adobe?

     

    —Johannes

     
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    Feb 2, 2012 2:14 AM   in reply to Johannes Eckert

    New tools that are pushing the bounderies for designers to work without code are always going to have teething problems.

     

    Although its frustrating I think the tools are going to be great. We have to remember the suite is still being developed and we are lucky enough to have Bob who listens and feeds back to the development team.

     

    (On that note...buttons with MSOs please bob )

     
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    Feb 2, 2012 4:09 AM   in reply to Johannes Eckert

    Hi Johannes,

     

    'Scrollable Frames not appearing inside MSOs' for preview on Device (via the cloud) is a known bug (now) and is being investigated. Creating the folio using USB preview, indeed works correctly.

     

    Klaasjan

     
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    Feb 2, 2012 4:13 AM   in reply to Klaasjan Tukker

    Thanks Klaasjan. And good luck with that list of bugs! ,-)

     
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    Feb 2, 2012 7:18 AM   in reply to Johannes Eckert

    Tomek - I was speaking with a tester about this bug, and what he told me matches your description. Something happens on the acrobat.com side that causes the text to drop if the scrollable frame is in an MSO. Certain characters such as double spaces and colons are being renamed, resulting in missing images in the folio. That's why it works as Preview on Device but sometimes breaks when going through the cloud. They're fixing this bug. Thanks for testing so thoroughly and reporting it.

     
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    Feb 2, 2012 7:27 AM   in reply to Grandparade1

    Printer has a client, client wants to see what is possible. Client likes, then order in. Now printer wants to show real iPad example before investing money when client likes. Can't show on actual iPad the nice MSO because broken on iPad. Client does not trust. Build Viewr App you say? No Mac just Windows!!

     

    Bob, real life out here  in actual cases means people loose orders and trust...

     
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    Feb 2, 2012 11:59 AM   in reply to Frans van der Geest

    That makes perfect sense. When the program team redid the architecture for slideshows and buttons to enable nested overlays, they tried to make sure that they didn't introduce "regression bugs" that affect existing layouts. They missed a couple of cases such as the failure to stop at the last MSO image and the changes to the MSO auto play timing. As soon as they realized this, they came up with a plan to update custom viewers so that publishers didn't have to roll back to v17 tools. Unfortunately, they can't update the version of the Content Viewer that appears in the App Store for reasons I don't want to go into. The frequent release cycle allows us to keep up with customer requests, adapt to rapid changes in the industry (such as Newsstand and Fire support), and roll out exciting new features, but it also reduces the amount of development and testing time. As you know, when the tools aren't stable, it makes it difficult to distinguish software bugs from user errors. I don't see this approach changing in the short term -- not with everything that's going on in the next few months. For each release, I recommend testing the tools thoroughly with your folios before updating. Thanks for your feedback.

     
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    Feb 2, 2012 4:43 PM   in reply to Bob Bringhurst

    It is very unfortunate that the App Store version of the Content Viewer is not able to be updated to fix major issues discovered after tool udpates.  From the outside it seems that Adobe doesn't understand just how many people use the App Store (and Android market) version of the Content Viewer as a selling, testing, and distribution tool.  If we could control when the app is updated for customers then it wouldn't be as big of a problem, but they are notified of the app update and usually install it immediately.  If there is some way in the future to overcome the problem of unintended bugs in the Content Viewer not being fixed until the next official build it would make using and recommending Adobe's DPS much less nervewracking.  The potential for missed deadlines, disappointed/frustrated current customers, and losing out on future business is very high with the way things currently are.  It can also ruin your day/week when a folio that was able to be viewed perfectly on Monday won't even load on the same device on Tuesday because of an update to the Content Viewer.

     

    The Adobe Content Viewer is a fantastic part of the system and a great way for clients to review work, etc.  Making it a reliable tool is a needed improvement.  Perhaps there can be a Content viewer in the app store(s) that isn't updated until all major bugs in the latest tools have been discovered and addressed.  This would be the Content Viewer we point customers to.  The current way the Content Viewer works could be retained for developers to test their folios and find bugs with the latest tools.  Not having that level of reliability in the system means we have to apologize quite a bit for things that aren't our fault and, as others have noted, can lead to losing potential customers.  There will never be a bulletproof way to perfectly update complex software and hardware the first time, but if we can have a plan for dealing with the inevitable imperfection it will go a long way in making Adobe's system the standard for the quality and reliability that professionals seek when choosing their tools.

     

    Andrew

     
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    Feb 2, 2012 5:19 PM   in reply to Andrew Smith

    For quicker release schedules and bug fix deadlines, adobe could also allow

    non-DPS-subscribers to build their own content viewer. of corse this would

    be tied to their own or client's iPad — but it would help. But then you

    need to explain the provisioning process wich requires you to have an apple

    developer account. ouw. this is really complicated.

     

    —Johannes

     
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    Feb 4, 2012 8:44 AM   in reply to Grandparade1

    My guess on the bigger picture is this: at current, DPS is ahead of everybody, but there must be pressure coming from Apple's recently launched iBook Authoring tool, which is currently focussing on text books, but provides interaction as well. It does not offer the functionalities of DPS at the moment, but it is a free tool. If the rapid evolution of Xcode is any indication, we could see a full suite of iBook and maybe also iMagazine authoring tools, for free, within 24 months. In that scenario the only way for Adobe to keep its position in a 2-5 year time window is in adding a large number of functionalities and by doing so keeping ahead of the competition. This means the pressure on new releases is big and time and resources spent on testing may suffer...

     
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    Feb 6, 2012 10:58 AM   in reply to meijerd

    The updated v18 Content Viewer is being submitted to Apple. The MSO fixes when be available in the store version of the viewer when Apple approves.

     
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