Thank you all for your posts.

This helps me confirm the unsatisfing experiences I have had for over a year using the Adobe Master Suite and a brand new Apple Mac Pro 12 Core.

I would like to add that these comments should be reviewed by the board of directors at Adobe ..

I would also like to add that my frustrations have been documented here .. and my posts have been edited, removed, etc .. by Adobe "Community Professionals" .. one of which is not even a Mac User.

To me this qualifies as corporate 'censorship' and regardless of their statement that they are not a official "Adobe" employee .. they are being sponsored by Adobe to edit and delete my complaints.

Again .. I state that Adobe makes an excellent suite of products.

There is still lots to fine tune and build to make a great workflow system.

Today .. I noticed that the Dynamic Link to Encore from PP doesn't update certain changes in the composition chapter markers .. yet another lame oversite that costs me more time to rebuild the DVD menu every time. Encore need s some serious help with other issues too.

If there was transparency to which dept. / employee does what .. maybe we could help with the updating .. but the way corporations function creates disfunction.

I would be glad to offer assistance if I knew my observations were at least acknoledged by someone willing to impliment them .. or create a round table where we could discuss what would be more important than others.

What a pro.

Today .. I noticed that the Dynamic Link to Encore from PP doesn't update certain changes in the composition chapter markers .. yet another lame oversite that costs me more time to rebuild the DVD menu every time. Encore need s some serious help with other issues too.

I'm not sure what the "certain" changes are, but it is true that Encore requires a separate step to update chapter markers when a dynamic linked chapter markers are chnaged in Premiere. Ordinarily, as long as you update the markers, you should not have to redo any menus.  From help, there is a bullet: "update the markers in Encore to match the Encore chapter markers in a sequence in Adobe Premiere Pro"

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/encore/cs/using/WSD06A6D4A-20E8-4bbb-9258- 2E4EECF48812a.html

Islanders66 wrote:

 

Sorry, you kind of lost me when you said OSX has been treading for a long time, then say it wasn't available for older Xeons. So which one of your post is "simply not true"?

They're both true.  The first is a software/OS issue, the second is a hardware issue.  Intel named their "fake 2 CPUs from one" technology: Hyperthreading back in the early to mid-2000s when the Xeons first appeared.  Intel has gone back and forth enabling and disabling Hyperthreading with various releases of the Xeons.  The ones that were put into the 3,1 Mac Pros had it disabled.

This may seem a bit confusing from generic OS-level threading; it's not the same thing.

jas

Islanders66 wrote:

 

Well,  I won't keep going round and round with this.

And yet you keep going round and round with it.  Funny how that works, huh?

I think if the Adobe guys could fix it they would. They have more to lose if it doesn't work. I woudln't assume that it's just Adobe dropping the ball here.

That's fine that you feel and/or think that way, but several of us Mac guys can provide other apps that can and do thread themselves very well, and can take advantage of the resources on the Mac.  Yet Adobe's software can't do it as well.  Photoshop follows suit, as it turns out.  There's some serious declining returns with the Mac version of Photoshop on a newer Mac Pro with lots of cores.

For me the issue is Apple's policy of keeping such a tight control over hardware that can be run under OSX.

Fine, that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand though.

If I owned a Mac I wouldn't stress about it beause it is what it is, Apple keeps everything so secret and guarded that you can't get to the bottom of anything or know what they will do.

If that's a problem for you, then definitely continue using a PC with Windows on it.  It's no skin off my or any other Mac user's back.  Really.  We don't care.  What works for us works for us.  What works for you works for you.  Sometimes those technologies may intersect (applications).  Other times they may not (operating systems and hardware).  So be it.  Reasonable people can certainly disagree with one another and stay reasonable about it.

My only interest in this thread was to point out some of the incorrect assumptions about the Mac and OS X.  I have no interest to convert anyone or defend anyone's choice.

jas

Thanks Stan!!!

I am a dual-platform user. I have CS5 on a newer 2009 Mac Pro that I've upgraded, and an older PC that has CS2 on it. (I know that's really old, but it has Audition on it, which I love.)

My Mac Pro has a 6-core chip, 12 threads, but I set it up to only use 4 cores (8 threads) for Pr, AE and En. I chose this after testing all sorts of render speeds and such. It really flies without a hitch, faster than using all 6 cores/12 threads, and so far has not crashed. Someone mentioned the ability to shut off cores... you can if you go to the OSX install disk and load up the Developer tools. There's an app in there to disable cores. However, Adobe lets you do this inside the Preferences, so I just leave all 6 cores active on OSX and limit them in Adobe instead. It works great.

I have 32GB of RAM and an Areca 1880ix-12 running 8 disks in RAID6. I also have an AID0 internally on the Mac for scratch. I also have dual monitors, one being a 30" ACD. Lastly, I have the ATI Radeon HD 5870, and I can play several layers of video with effects real time without rendering. Right now, I'm editing DSLR footage from a 5D, and this is still the case. All video shows up under a red bar, yet plays smoothly.

First, let me state that if I were building a system today, it would be a PC. I'd first call ADK and see what they could do, and then see what I could build on my own, and make a choice one way or the other from there. You just get more all around from a PC with Adobe today.

Second, I love how my Mac is running today. I don't prefer Macs over PCs or vice versa... they both work great. I don't care about OSX vs Windows.

If I can be of any assistance to the Mac users, I would be glad to give input and hopefully prove helpful. If something doesn't work, I fix it or stop using it. So far, I have been happy with both PC and Mac using Adobe.

Yeah, I'm on 10.6.8. I don't like what I see in regards to Lion, and hope to postpone that as long as possible.

Ah, I might have made a mistake. If you open After Effects, go to Preferences, and look under Memory & Multiprocessing, you'll see the memory settings box and the "After Effects Multiprocessing" box below that. It shows 12 installed CPUs (threads) and then "CPUs reserved for other applications: 4." After RAM allocation, it indicates Actual CPUs that will be used: 8.

I might have been under the impression this was global to Premiere as well, but looking at it again, it seems Pr will not be affected by this setting in AE. My bad . I do know that I tested almost every combo of CPUs and RAM allocation for AE renders, and this setting gave the fastest results for me.

I don't have any issue with my 6-core in Premiere, though. Maybe it has an issue with two 6-cores, but I don't know. Sorry for the bad information.

 

 

Happy as a proverbial pig in s***!  Highly recommended

I subscribe to that view. My Dell M6600 has been performing flawlessly.

Using the built-in Expresscard reader, you'll be able to transfer XDCAM EX files at the amazing speed of 90 MB/s.

That's three times as fast as my Sony USB SXS reader/writer which is connected to my desktop.