OK, Dell 2711 is a wide gamut monitor, so that's something. Did you calibrate with ColorSync, or do you have a calibrator? Someone else will have to step in on Mac stuff.

I see the FOGRA39 profile is consistent throughout. But out of curiosity, could you test with ISO Coated v2 (ECI) or ISO Coated v2 (ECI) 300% ? In a recent thread some peculiarities were discovered with the FOGRA39 profile. But ISO Coated was clean.

BTW I'm in Norway too, so...hi!

I bet most people belive we're so few up here that I must know you, but I don't think so...

If you have a calibrator I'd try that. IME the monitor profile is always the prime suspect in cases like this. But try the CMYK profile as well.

The Dell factory calibration operates on delta E's around 5 (which is no good), so it can only improve things if you do your own. Which calibrator?

I just don't see how the monitor profile would cause an image to look different on the same monitor when all the applications are native Adobe applications.

Monitor profiles can be improperly constructed.  Not only that, but the standards are changing.  Not every application uses the same color-management code - even in Adobe - and so one app may interpret profiles differently than another.

I'm sorry to ask the most basic of questions, and I'm doubly sorry if you already covered this in the thread above and I missed it, but are you SURE you're looking at the same data in all cases?  In other words, you haven't saved a file, edited it some more and saved it in another format/place, right?

-Noel

Noel Carboni wrote:

Not every application uses the same color-management code - even in Adobe - and so one app may interpret profiles differently than another.

The PS and ID teams are in different cities, so....

The PDF/X-4 standard is the more "modern" one, in that it doesn't convert at all. This is for leaving the images in their native RGB space, usually preferred now (and the printer converts as the very last step).

The press quality preset goes by the PDF/X-1 standard. This converts everything to a final destination CMYK. But in your case it's all FOGRA39 anyway.

I think I would take this to the InDesign forum as well. There are some people there who are very good with color management issues, like Peter Spier.

For a moment there I wondered if this could be an OpenGL problem. But this would affect PS and Bridge, not ID and Acrobat, which AFAIK don't use OpenGL. So that doesn't fit. Nevertheless, try to disable it in PS preferences and see if it makes a difference.

So, summing up: All your settings seem healthy to me.

Leaving OpenGL out of it, that points to the profiles, and there are only two of them: FOGRA39, and the monitor profile. There has to be a problem with one of them, or both. Keep in mind that for display, the document profile is converted directly into the monitor profile. So a problem in one could be amplified in the other.

I don't know why I didn't say this before (probably had my mind elsewhere), but an easy way to test the monitor profile is to replace it with a generic standard profile. With your monitor that would be Adobe RGB. So if everything displays equally with that, you know it's the monitor profile.

Although I still don't trust the FOGRA profile.

Wonderful! So once again it was the monitor profile. Why can't the monitor manafacturers get this right?

But I suppose a good calibration with a proper calibrator should take care of business. Would this also ensure consistency across applications?

Yes, yes and yes.

Do some research, and decide on a budget. The overall best alternative is probably the x-rite i1 display at around 2000 NOK. But the Spyder has a lot going for it too, one thing is that the sensor will work with the standalone ColorEyes Display Pro, which is probably the best software. That means you can start with the inexpensive Spyder3express (about 800 NOK) and upgrade later.

EDIT: Yes, Bridge is restricted to sRGB, as you correctly observe, so it will appear a little muted.

oh: and why it looks closer in ADOBE RGB space, thats becase its gamut is much smaller that sRgb

ok

monitor calibration: that is to correctly display colours (as they should look) on your monitor and needs a device to do this properly. This profile is saved and the graphic card will then adjust accordingly. If this profile is too old or has incorrect calibration info then the colour RED will display incorrectly, but if your colour magnagement is synced , as discussed, it will display that RED the same incorrect way in those apps.

... client here... will respond to other in mom...

like i said: colour is not simple...

.. but if your colour magnagement is synced , as discussed, it will display that RED the same incorrect way in those apps.

is correct...

but i still think you are confusing monitor callibration profile and working spaces profile (RGB)... ..

then gamut on Adobe RGB is wider than sRgb... (thats what i meant but explained correctly... sorry) which means that a colour (lets say bright orange) that can displays "right" with ADOBE RGB will shift to closest matc (if u will) on a srgb set up... and even tho size of gamuts differ so does the shape.. if you know what i mean)... choosing Adobe RGB just allows for more colours and thus wont "convert" as many colours thus looks more consistant...

i just want you to understand colour and management properly.

G

Grant, I've been patient until now, but please stop this. Eivind understands this perfectly. He's not confusing anything. You are.

Grant, I've been patient until now, but please stop this. Eivind understands this perfectly. He's not confusing anything. You are.

listen: you are not the OP....

I dont think he understands completely, and needs to. Or run a risk of a irate client at print time... there is a lot more to colour, profiles and when to use what, and printing then can be discussed here... but some of the advice here is not entirely accurate and may result in him believing the colour to be close to how it will print and there is my conscern.

I'm here to help him... and get him on the right track.